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Title: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 11, 2021, 01:59:58 AM
https://www.indiewire.com/2021/02/gina-carano-fired-lucasfilm-1234616431/

Fuck you, Disney. Whether you think her tweet was accurate or dumb, it's hardly worth firing her over. Unless you're a bunch of yellow bellied grovellers who will collapse under any internet pressure.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Wicked Woodpecker of West on February 11, 2021, 03:23:57 AM
Now TBH they surprisingly kept her around despite all previous SJWs actions against her. And they were numerous.
Alas, the subject of One Holy Genocide is apparently of higher caliber, and desacration of it, much bigger crime than TERFizm.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Kyle Aaron on February 11, 2021, 04:30:14 AM
1. actress calls for less hatred in the world
2. actress fired for saying the wrong thing

Well, Hollywood has never liked large, physically strong women.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: HappyDaze on February 11, 2021, 06:01:08 AM
Well, Hollywood has never liked large, physically strong women.
I'm pretty sure most corporations dislike their employees doing/saying anything that might put them in a bad light...which can be almost anything these days.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: robh on February 11, 2021, 06:33:48 AM
Her comment was accurate and well put and the parallel to current events is clear, but the keyboard warriors have been after her for a long while; since she refused pressure to go all #sjwbullshit in he r profile and live appearances.
Stuff like this was inevitable from the moment Disney got hold of the Star Wars franchise, spineless corporates paranoid about upsetting the vocal minority on twitter. You cannot have a personal opinion or free thought these days if you live/work in a public environment.

McCarthyism: Defamation of character or reputation by means of widely publicized indiscriminate allegations, especially on the basis of unsubstantiated charges.
Anybody remember the "Loyalty Security Screening Board" and the activities of the "Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations"?
"Are you now or have you ever been....."
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: hedgehobbit on February 11, 2021, 09:13:27 AM
At first I didn't believe it as Mandalorian Season 3 isn't even in production (as they said they wouldn't start until after Boba Fett was finished) and it's not often that a company calls an employee "abhorrent", as even Harvey Weinstein didn't get that treatment.

But every passing minute makes it seem more likely. Cancelled my Disney+ although that was merely symbolic as I'm paid up until next November.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ghostmaker on February 11, 2021, 09:17:56 AM
There was a rumor that Jon Favreau had been running interference for her, but evidently he didn't have enough pull to keep the scolds off her.

Amusingly in a dark way, a lot of people conflate McCarthy's arguments with those of the House Un-American Activities Committee. The latter was staffed with Democrats and was a complete shitshow, right up there with the current sham-peachment proceedings. The worst thing about McCarthy was his bombastic nature, but people forget his complaint: that certain people were being given security clearances and employment in the State Department and they should not be there. So, WERE there Communists in the State Department? Well, I admit I could be wrong, but Hiss, the Rosenbergs, Harry Dexter White -- if those people weren't taking Russian rubles I'd like to know why.

He didn't say they couldn't work elsewhere, though (public or private sector). He didn't call for them to be physically assaulted. He even resisted naming people from his list because he admitted he could be wrong and that he didn't want to smear innocents with a faulty accusation.

But welcome to 2021, where someone pointing out the gross dehumanization of a political position is grounds for expelling them from modern society.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Godfather Punk on February 11, 2021, 09:51:55 AM
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She had made it and all she had to is shut the @#%$ up.
No prizes for guessing where this comment was posted.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Lurkndog on February 11, 2021, 12:59:27 PM
I hate to say it, but it probably didn't help that she also put on a large amount of weight in between seasons.

And no, that's not because she's a woman. If Chris Pratt showed up for GOTG3 looking like Andy Dwyer again, he'd probably be in violation of his contract too.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 11, 2021, 02:30:18 PM
There was a rumor that Jon Favreau had been running interference for her, but evidently he didn't have enough pull to keep the scolds off her.

Amusingly in a dark way, a lot of people conflate McCarthy's arguments with those of the House Un-American Activities Committee. The latter was staffed with Democrats and was a complete shitshow, right up there with the current sham-peachment proceedings. The worst thing about McCarthy was his bombastic nature, but people forget his complaint: that certain people were being given security clearances and employment in the State Department and they should not be there. So, WERE there Communists in the State Department? Well, I admit I could be wrong, but Hiss, the Rosenbergs, Harry Dexter White -- if those people weren't taking Russian rubles I'd like to know why.

He didn't say they couldn't work elsewhere, though (public or private sector). He didn't call for them to be physically assaulted. He even resisted naming people from his list because he admitted he could be wrong and that he didn't want to smear innocents with a faulty accusation.

But welcome to 2021, where someone pointing out the gross dehumanization of a political position is grounds for expelling them from modern society.

I wasn't going to go down that side road, but since you opened the door.

Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 11, 2021, 02:31:13 PM
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She had made it and all she had to is shut the @#%$ up.
No prizes for guessing where this comment was posted.

Christ. What a bunch of Wormtongues. Saying a woman should shut her mouth and be happy with what she's given. You can't make this shit up.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 11, 2021, 02:39:47 PM
I hate to say it, but it probably didn't help that she also put on a large amount of weight in between seasons.

And no, that's not because she's a woman. If Chris Pratt showed up for GOTG3 looking like Andy Dwyer again, he'd probably be in violation of his contract too.

It's possible. I doubt it's a major part of the decision though. More like a "By the way..." point.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Lurkndog on February 11, 2021, 02:46:15 PM
I think it was probably a case of one thing on top of another. Clearly her online comments were the straw that broke the camel's back.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Omega on February 11, 2021, 04:14:42 PM
Expect this sort of stuff to get worse as these sociopaths now know it works all too well and few will fight back.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Pat on February 13, 2021, 09:54:22 AM
Less than 24 hours after being fired, she gets a new movie:

https://deadline.com/2021/02/gina-carano-mandalorian-ben-shapiro-hits-back-cancel-culture-1234692971/

Yes, Ben Shapiro's company apparently is making movies now. (https://deadline.com/2021/01/daily-wire-film-tv-run-hide-fight-shooter-right-wing-website-developing-two-tv-series-1234664288/)
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Null42 on February 13, 2021, 04:43:44 PM
Seriously, this is how you fight back: conservatives making their own movies.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Warder on February 13, 2021, 05:37:43 PM
While i would agree that making movies by people other than hollywood is neat, movies cost money. Its not a sure investment, lots can go wrong. Short budget can be a hit, yeah, but we dont really hear that much about the bad ones(unless they are impossibly bad, like the Room). Also i think this is not a move that will sustain Gina Caranos film carrier in the long run.

Having said that, seriously, the firing was a really bad move. Apparently the suits cant forsee how popular the new star wars mandalorian really is. This is ''adjusting'' a goose that will not lay golden eggs, its a goose that can potentially save the farm.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Wicked Woodpecker of West on February 13, 2021, 05:43:15 PM
I'd really like conservatists to do good movies, alas I'm sceptical - especially if by "conservatism" we take American republicans.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: hedgehobbit on February 13, 2021, 07:41:47 PM
Less than 24 hours after being fired, she gets a new movie:

The timing of this deal makes me think that either she knew she was going to be fired or had already been fired. As I said, the production for Mandalorian Season 3 wasn't supposed to even start until Boba Fett was finished, so she wasn't actually working on Mando at the time she was "fired".

Also, Hasbro announced that they cancelled all their upcoming Cara Dune figures, which pretty much shatters that fantasy that Hasbro will get sick of WotC's wokeness and step in to fix D&D. They clearly care more about politics than profit.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Pat on February 13, 2021, 09:26:16 PM
The timing of this deal makes me think that either she knew she was going to be fired or had already been fired.
More likely someone heard the news, gave her a call, said hey let's do a movie, she said sure, and they immediately announced it to capitalize on the attention.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Trond on February 13, 2021, 11:59:18 PM
Babylon Bee: Disney Posts Job Ad Looking For Strong, Fierce Women Who Are Also Obedient, Submissive, And Docile. :D

https://babylonbee.com/news/disney-posts-job-ad-looking-for-strong-fierce-women-that-are-also-obedient-submissive-and-docile
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 14, 2021, 04:18:46 AM
Also, Hasbro announced that they cancelled all their upcoming Cara Dune figures, which pretty much shatters that fantasy that Hasbro will get sick of WotC's wokeness and step in to fix D&D. They clearly care more about politics than profit.

And the collectors have already started making a run on the online stores for the existing figures, I'm assuming in the hopes that they'll be collectible due to rarity and the controversy.

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Search?SearchText=cara+dune
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: danskmacabre on February 16, 2021, 10:48:12 PM
Funny really, I did actually subscribe to Disney + to watch The Mandalorian, but I cancelled it after I finished watching all 3 season.
I bought it for a month only, so it's already expired, otherwise I would have cancelled it over this.

Lol, NM, even though I wanted to watch the Boba Fett series etc, I'm not really that fussed and can go without.
Happy to read a book instead!
 
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: HappyDaze on February 17, 2021, 07:21:56 AM
Funny really, I did actually subscribe to Disney + to watch The Mandalorian, but I cancelled it after I finished watching all 3 season.
I bought it for a month only, so it's already expired, otherwise I would have cancelled it over this.

Lol, NM, even though I wanted to watch the Boba Fett series etc, I'm not really that fussed and can go without.
Happy to read a book instead!
Three seasons? Really?
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on February 17, 2021, 09:52:28 AM
Her Holocaust comparisons were extreme. While the woke have stated numerous times that they want to subject conservatives to re-education camps, drone strikes, etc... conservatives still make up around half the country or so. The woke simply don’t have the numbers to ever start the Holocaust they want within the foreseeable future.

Considering the other anti-woke stuff she said previously, Disney probably fired her because the image she re-posted was excessively gruesome. That’s just bad for business.

But whatever. I’m not omniscient.

Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 17, 2021, 11:24:06 AM
Her Holocaust comparisons were extreme. While the woke have stated numerous times that they want to subject conservatives to re-education camps, drone strikes, etc... conservatives still make up around half the country or so. The woke simply don’t have the numbers to ever start the Holocaust they want within the foreseeable future.

Considering the other anti-woke stuff she said previously, Disney probably fired her because the image she re-posted was excessively gruesome. That’s just bad for business.

But whatever. I’m not omniscient.

Her point was that the persecution of the Jews was incremental. The important lesson of the Holocaust is not that Nazis are bad. It's that we all have the capacity to act like a Nazi given the correct circumstances.

And Disney did not fire Pedro Pascal for posting a nearly identical meme.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et83fDzXABAYhso.png)

Only Pedro's tweet was hilariously inept, as the second picture is of Palestinian children who were not being detained for any reason.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et9MrzbWgAAcBfJ?format=jpg&name=large

Gina Carano has since taken down her "offensive" instagram, while Pedro's tweet remains.

https://twitter.com/PedroPascal1/status/1009572721548595201

Gina's "offense" is that she didn't bend the knee hard enough, and on her own time, didn't parrot the woke ideology being pushed on her by her co-actors and the Disney corporation.

boop, bop, beep

Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 17, 2021, 11:39:24 AM
Funny really, I did actually subscribe to Disney + to watch The Mandalorian, but I cancelled it after I finished watching all 3 season.
I bought it for a month only, so it's already expired, otherwise I would have cancelled it over this.

Lol, NM, even though I wanted to watch the Boba Fett series etc, I'm not really that fussed and can go without.
Happy to read a book instead!
Three seasons? Really?

I assumed that's a typo. :)
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on February 17, 2021, 02:50:08 PM
Her Holocaust comparisons were extreme. While the woke have stated numerous times that they want to subject conservatives to re-education camps, drone strikes, etc... conservatives still make up around half the country or so. The woke simply don’t have the numbers to ever start the Holocaust they want within the foreseeable future.

Considering the other anti-woke stuff she said previously, Disney probably fired her because the image she re-posted was excessively gruesome. That’s just bad for business.

But whatever. I’m not omniscient.

Her point was that the persecution of the Jews was incremental. The important lesson of the Holocaust is not that Nazis are bad. It's that we all have the capacity to act like a Nazi given the correct circumstances.

And Disney did not fire Pedro Pascal for posting a nearly identical meme.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et83fDzXABAYhso.png)

Only Pedro's tweet was hilariously inept, as the second picture is of Palestinian children who were not being detained for any reason.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et9MrzbWgAAcBfJ?format=jpg&name=large

Gina Carano has since taken down her "offensive" instagram, while Pedro's tweet remains.

https://twitter.com/PedroPascal1/status/1009572721548595201

Gina's "offense" is that she didn't bend the knee hard enough, and on her own time, didn't parrot the woke ideology being pushed on her by her co-actors and the Disney corporation.

boop, bop, beep

Yeah, the hypocrisy is revolting. The Republican party isn't anywhere close to Nazis. They accept black people as members, which is about as far from Nazism as you can get.

Oh wait, whiteness has been redefined as a multiracial political color now. So under wokespeak, non-white people are Nazis if they don't hold woke beliefs.

Fucking insane.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: danskmacabre on February 17, 2021, 08:30:36 PM
Three seasons? Really?


2 seasons, typo...
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: danskmacabre on February 17, 2021, 08:34:45 PM
Apparently Perdro Pascal is pulled (or walked) from the Mandalorian now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd5KCblcLJo&t=1s
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ratman_tf on February 18, 2021, 01:04:55 AM


What a shitshow. I was hoping Mandalorian would be a turning point for Disney/Lucasfilm, but it's looking like a brief anomaly, crushed by the upper management in favor of getting back to pissing on the fans and running the franchise into the ground.

Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Godfather Punk on February 18, 2021, 09:16:15 AM
Also, Hasbro announced that they cancelled all their upcoming Cara Dune figures, which pretty much shatters that fantasy that Hasbro will get sick of WotC's wokeness and step in to fix D&D. They clearly care more about politics than profit.

And the collectors have already started making a run on the online stores for the existing figures, I'm assuming in the hopes that they'll be collectible due to rarity and the controversy.

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Search?SearchText=cara+dune
YES! Got one (of three remaining) yesterday!
Today, when I search for Funko Pop Dune, all that shows up is this:
(https://media.s-bol.com/3wkK12W6g7gO/550x360.jpg)
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Kiero on August 13, 2021, 05:18:40 PM
Did I hear rumours that Disney have gone crawling back to Carano?
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: hedgehobbit on August 13, 2021, 05:59:02 PM
Did I hear rumours that Disney have gone crawling back to Carano?

Nah. She just announced the new movie she's working on, which has nothing to do with Star Wars or Disney.

Disney cancelled a movie that starred Scarlet Johansen out of spite for the lawsuit. Looks like there is a near-zero% chance of them taking Carano back.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: GriswaldTerrastone on August 13, 2021, 06:23:26 PM
The 2016 disaster that was "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" is why I have not seen any movie in the theaters since.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
Did I hear rumours that Disney have gone crawling back to Carano?

Nah. She just announced the new movie she's working on, which has nothing to do with Star Wars or Disney.

Disney cancelled a movie that starred Scarlet Johansen out of spite for the lawsuit. Looks like there is a near-zero% chance of them taking Carano back.
The whole thing with Johanssen is such a dumpster fire. If the contract specifically stated Disney wasn't supposed to release in both theatres and streaming platforms and they did it anyway, ScarJo wins (short of Disney buying off everyone involved).

What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: hedgehobbit on August 13, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Eirikrautha on August 14, 2021, 08:28:05 AM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: HappyDaze on August 14, 2021, 01:00:04 PM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Have we seen any real evidence that they are not? They might experience some minor troubles, but they are barely blips compared to the $$$ that keep on coming in.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: oggsmash on August 14, 2021, 11:21:34 PM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Have we seen any real evidence that they are not? They might experience some minor troubles, but they are barely blips compared to the $$$ that keep on coming in.

  Interesting thing I never realized about Disney.  A MASSIVE amount (substantially more than they make from movies) of their revenue every year comes from their parks.  They have taken an enormous hit these past two years, and they apparently have had the long term habit (over a decade) of taking out massive loans constantly to buy up their own stock to drive up the price.   The money they owe now, with no real park revenue for so long has a good number of them worried.  So maybe they have problems they are good at hiding?   In any event you may be right, this sort of stuff may be in the rear view soon enough, it just seems like a bad idea to see if they can piss everyone off at one time (talent, audience and creatives), or maybe it is jus their time to have some rough times.  I guess at a certain point it is hard to tell what is hubris and what is really a bullet proof corporation.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Eirikrautha on August 15, 2021, 09:55:09 AM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Have we seen any real evidence that they are not? They might experience some minor troubles, but they are barely blips compared to the $$$ that keep on coming in.

  Interesting thing I never realized about Disney.  A MASSIVE amount (substantially more than they make from movies) of their revenue every year comes from their parks.  They have taken an enormous hit these past two years, and they apparently have had the long term habit (over a decade) of taking out massive loans constantly to buy up their own stock to drive up the price.   The money they owe now, with no real park revenue for so long has a good number of them worried.  So maybe they have problems they are good at hiding?   In any event you may be right, this sort of stuff may be in the rear view soon enough, it just seems like a bad idea to see if they can piss everyone off at one time (talent, audience and creatives), or maybe it is jus their time to have some rough times.  I guess at a certain point it is hard to tell what is hubris and what is really a bullet proof corporation.
Well, they are still underwater on their Star Wars purchase (and WAY below projected earnings from the franchise... look at their projections from their financials right after the sale).  That's not something the finance guys and investors are just going to hand-wave...
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 15, 2021, 10:54:33 AM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Have we seen any real evidence that they are not? They might experience some minor troubles, but they are barely blips compared to the $$$ that keep on coming in.

  Interesting thing I never realized about Disney.  A MASSIVE amount (substantially more than they make from movies) of their revenue every year comes from their parks.  They have taken an enormous hit these past two years, and they apparently have had the long term habit (over a decade) of taking out massive loans constantly to buy up their own stock to drive up the price.   The money they owe now, with no real park revenue for so long has a good number of them worried.  So maybe they have problems they are good at hiding?   In any event you may be right, this sort of stuff may be in the rear view soon enough, it just seems like a bad idea to see if they can piss everyone off at one time (talent, audience and creatives), or maybe it is jus their time to have some rough times.  I guess at a certain point it is hard to tell what is hubris and what is really a bullet proof corporation.
Well, they are still underwater on their Star Wars purchase (and WAY below projected earnings from the franchise... look at their projections from their financials right after the sale).  That's not something the finance guys and investors are just going to hand-wave...
I saw an interesting bit of speculation on BleedingFool that the purchase of Lucasfilm was so Disney could kill the Star Wars IP.

Which is... kind of a novel take, but I don't buy it. Disney plowed WAY too much money into the purchase, and then into the parks (even if they fucked them up spectacularly -- Galaxy's Edge, for example). I think it's less 'kill the SW IP' and more 'we've hired on a bunch of duhversity hires who have the imagination of a slug'.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: oggsmash on August 15, 2021, 11:02:28 AM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Have we seen any real evidence that they are not? They might experience some minor troubles, but they are barely blips compared to the $$$ that keep on coming in.

  Interesting thing I never realized about Disney.  A MASSIVE amount (substantially more than they make from movies) of their revenue every year comes from their parks.  They have taken an enormous hit these past two years, and they apparently have had the long term habit (over a decade) of taking out massive loans constantly to buy up their own stock to drive up the price.   The money they owe now, with no real park revenue for so long has a good number of them worried.  So maybe they have problems they are good at hiding?   In any event you may be right, this sort of stuff may be in the rear view soon enough, it just seems like a bad idea to see if they can piss everyone off at one time (talent, audience and creatives), or maybe it is jus their time to have some rough times.  I guess at a certain point it is hard to tell what is hubris and what is really a bullet proof corporation.
Well, they are still underwater on their Star Wars purchase (and WAY below projected earnings from the franchise... look at their projections from their financials right after the sale).  That's not something the finance guys and investors are just going to hand-wave...
I saw an interesting bit of speculation on BleedingFool that the purchase of Lucasfilm was so Disney could kill the Star Wars IP.

Which is... kind of a novel take, but I don't buy it. Disney plowed WAY too much money into the purchase, and then into the parks (even if they fucked them up spectacularly -- Galaxy's Edge, for example). I think it's less 'kill the SW IP' and more 'we've hired on a bunch of duhversity hires who have the imagination of a slug'.

  Well, when was the last time Disney came out with something new and solely from their company?   They seem to specialize in repackaging and rebooting and the company in general has lacked real creativity for a very long time.  I guess it is the logical end that art by committee reaches.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Omega on August 16, 2021, 12:03:53 AM
Which is... kind of a novel take, but I don't buy it. Disney plowed WAY too much money into the purchase, and then into the parks (even if they fucked them up spectacularly -- Galaxy's Edge, for example). I think it's less 'kill the SW IP' and more 'we've hired on a bunch of duhversity hires who have the imagination of a slug'.

Other entertainment companies have done it in the past. The company that bought up Filmation destroyed the masters deliberately. Theres more. Its rare still far as know.

But in Disney's case its anyones guess what the hell the nuts at Disney were thinking. Or even if they were thinking at all. Looking at what they have done since buying Star Wars and Marvel it reads more like they bought the two to kill all their old IP, especially at the parks. Looking at some of the abominations of their new 'animation' of older Disney IPs that seems to be the case.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 16, 2021, 08:33:44 AM
Which is... kind of a novel take, but I don't buy it. Disney plowed WAY too much money into the purchase, and then into the parks (even if they fucked them up spectacularly -- Galaxy's Edge, for example). I think it's less 'kill the SW IP' and more 'we've hired on a bunch of duhversity hires who have the imagination of a slug'.

Other entertainment companies have done it in the past. The company that bought up Filmation destroyed the masters deliberately. Theres more. Its rare still far as know.

But in Disney's case its anyones guess what the hell the nuts at Disney were thinking. Or even if they were thinking at all. Looking at what they have done since buying Star Wars and Marvel it reads more like they bought the two to kill all their old IP, especially at the parks. Looking at some of the abominations of their new 'animation' of older Disney IPs that seems to be the case.
I could see Disney doing it, yeah, but the amount of money involved just seems counterintuitive.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Lurkndog on August 16, 2021, 09:17:08 AM
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

Adding a big stinky pile of racism and sexism on top of the existing corruption has not improved the situation one bit.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: hedgehobbit on August 16, 2021, 09:47:50 AM
But in Disney's case its anyones guess what the hell the nuts at Disney were thinking. Or even if they were thinking at all.

When a company reaches a certain mega-size, its employees no longer need to care of the company makes money. They are too insulated from the bottom line. So you end up with an entire company where every employee is just looking out for their own careers. If a movie fails, it won't affect their job as long as they can prove to the higher ups that it wasn't there fault. That's why you've seen an endless stream of silly excuses like franchise fatigue, racist trolls, pandemic, etc. Everyone is lying to their boss and those lies go all the way up to the top to a CEO that shares those same lies to their investors. It's an easy out for everyone.

Here's one example. Several years ago, Disney had a video game called Disney Infinity. It was fairly successful but the guy in charge made a fatal mistake of vastly overestimating how many Marvel figures he could sell so he overproduced them. There were literally millions of unsold figures in a warehouse killing the games profitability. How did this guy solve the problem? He transferred himself into another division and, two months later, Disney cancelled the game and laid off everyone working on it. Everyone lost their job except for the one guy solely responsible for the game's failure.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: oggsmash on August 16, 2021, 11:00:07 AM
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

Adding a big stinky pile of racism and sexism on top of the existing corruption has not improved the situation one bit.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

   That part seems strange to me.  Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Pat on August 16, 2021, 11:16:13 AM
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

Adding a big stinky pile of racism and sexism on top of the existing corruption has not improved the situation one bit.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

   That part seems strange to me.  Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.
Project management is hard. It's amazing so many of the Marvel movies came out so well. It's not surprising than other franchises did poorly.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: oggsmash on August 16, 2021, 11:18:50 AM
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

Adding a big stinky pile of racism and sexism on top of the existing corruption has not improved the situation one bit.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

   That part seems strange to me.  Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.
Project management is hard. It's amazing so many of the Marvel movies came out so well. It's not surprising than other franchises did poorly.

  The thing is, when you literally have a shining example of best practices in the office across the hall so to speak...I think hubris likely plays a role, many of the people in Hollywood strike me as damaged people who have egos the size of Texas.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Lurkndog on August 16, 2021, 08:44:17 PM
Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.

Marvel has rather an amazing team of planners and creative types, but they built that at Marvel while they were still independent. Disney has some lifetime creative geniuses, but all of the original guys are long gone, and I bet most of the wave that led the revival of the company in the 1990s are gone now too.

Historically, LucasArts did not develop a permanent internal ensemble of creators. They had George Lucas, and for a lot of things, they outsourced to ILM. Creative teams at LucasArts tend to disband after major projects end, and many creators went on to form their own production or effects houses outside of the LucasArts/ILM umbrella. Most of the Mythbusters crew were ex-ILM, for instance. The closest thing to a permanent core of creatives was the animation teams that worked on Clone Wars and Rebels, who got to work with George Lucas directly, and some of whom went on to work on Mandalorian.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Omega on August 16, 2021, 08:46:44 PM
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

   That part seems strange to me.  Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.
Project management is hard. It's amazing so many of the Marvel movies came out so well. It's not surprising than other franchises did poorly.


Hate to say it. But the Marvel movies are not as good as people keep making them out to be. Iron Man, Captain America, Doctor Strange, Thor even. They look nice but totally screw up the characters at every turn. Some of the sequels arent bad. Winter Soldier I liked and Avengers. The original X-men and Spider Man movies werent bad really. But the movies after progressively deviate from the source to the point they are approaching "in name only". Endgame in particular treats the characters so horribly.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Lurkndog on August 16, 2021, 09:11:56 PM
Hate to say it. But the Marvel movies are not as good as people keep making them out to be. Iron Man, Captain America, Doctor Strange, Thor even. They look nice but totally screw up the characters at every turn. Some of the sequels arent bad. Winter Soldier I liked and Avengers. The original X-men and Spider Man movies werent bad really. But the movies after progressively deviate from the source to the point they are approaching "in name only". Endgame in particular treats the characters so horribly.

One of the problems you have with the Marvel characters is choosing which version of the characters to adapt. Some of them have changed radically over the years. For instance there are long stretches of the comics where Thor isn't Thor, and Tony Stark isn't Iron Man. The Marvel team did an excellent job of choosing which elements to bring together to make the movie versions of the characters, and which to leave out.

Even then, though, there were a lot of classic storylines that they simply didn't get to tell. They never really did Demon in a Glass Bottle for Iron Man, or Armor Wars, though they hinted at both in Iron Man 2. They never really did a classic standalone Captain America storyline where he simply fights some bad guys, either.

I also don't particularly like what they've done with Spider-Man, though Tom Holland is very good in the role.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: oggsmash on August 16, 2021, 09:16:01 PM
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

   That part seems strange to me.  Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.
Project management is hard. It's amazing so many of the Marvel movies came out so well. It's not surprising than other franchises did poorly.


Hate to say it. But the Marvel movies are not as good as people keep making them out to be. Iron Man, Captain America, Doctor Strange, Thor even. They look nice but totally screw up the characters at every turn. Some of the sequels arent bad. Winter Soldier I liked and Avengers. The original X-men and Spider Man movies werent bad really. But the movies after progressively deviate from the source to the point they are approaching "in name only". Endgame in particular treats the characters so horribly.

 I agree, but it also only amplifies my point, the movies do not have to be *that* good, they can just be freaking decent and in some ways a little consistent.  Do that, and do not flat out spit in the faces of fans, and you will print money.  The fact that Marvel understood that small bit, and the Star Wars crew seemed to actively work against it is still a little amazing.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Omega on August 20, 2021, 01:31:59 AM
I agree, but it also only amplifies my point, the movies do not have to be *that* good, they can just be freaking decent and in some ways a little consistent.  Do that, and do not flat out spit in the faces of fans, and you will print money.  The fact that Marvel understood that small bit, and the Star Wars crew seemed to actively work against it is still a little amazing.

Except by endgame they have spit in the faces of the fans and the creators of the characters they have actively set out to thoroughly ruin.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Wrath of God on August 20, 2021, 07:16:36 PM
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Except by endgame they have spit in the faces of the fans and the creators of the characters they have actively set out to thoroughly ruin.

By all account sentiment not shared by majority of fandom - so it went nowhere near "go broke" area. Most of watchers rated Endgame high.
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: oggsmash on August 20, 2021, 08:35:32 PM
I agree, but it also only amplifies my point, the movies do not have to be *that* good, they can just be freaking decent and in some ways a little consistent.  Do that, and do not flat out spit in the faces of fans, and you will print money.  The fact that Marvel understood that small bit, and the Star Wars crew seemed to actively work against it is still a little amazing.

Except by endgame they have spit in the faces of the fans and the creators of the characters they have actively set out to thoroughly ruin.

  Not sure I got the full vibe of that from endgame.  I was a bit miffed that Thor was a fat ass and professor hulk was a pussy, but I can honestly take that as crude attempts at comedy.  Though, since Thor has ALWAYS eaten and drank as if there were no tomorrow, it makes no sense he suddenly gets fat. Or Captain America would go back in time and let his best friend be a mind controlled terminator for bad guys for decades.  But I am also not always as certain people are wrecking characters from any point of view past incompetence.   Or is there some other idea you have around endgame (to me using time travel was a really cheap out and something I think they did to make other movies) and how it was presented?
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: hedgehobbit on August 23, 2021, 01:59:15 PM
The whole thing with Johanssen is such a dumpster fire. If the contract specifically stated Disney wasn't supposed to release in both theatres and streaming platforms and they did it anyway, ScarJo wins (short of Disney buying off everyone involved).

Latest news is that Disney is seeking to settle this out of court.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-scarlett-johansson-arbitration-1235046169/

But, reading this article makes it seem like ScarJo's contract didn't explicitly mention an "exclusive" release which makes Disney's reaction more reasonable (just a bit more reasonable since the money involved isn't all that great). I think this will signal a bunch of other actors to make similar claims. 
Title: Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
Post by: Wrath of God on September 05, 2021, 11:07:32 AM
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Or Captain America would go back in time and let his best friend be a mind controlled terminator for bad guys for decades.

Well probably he didn't but then nice guys from TVA appeared and explained to him he has to lay low and do not disturb The Sacred Timeline or something.
If he did branch alternate reality it would had no bearing on ending of Endgame anyway - you cannot re-wrote the past just branch it.

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Or is there some other idea you have around endgame (to me using time travel was a really cheap out and something I think they did to make other movies) and how it was presented?

Till the last scene with Steve's return... I think it was quite neat due to restrictions stopping re-writing of the past I must say.