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Author Topic: Gina Carano fired by Disney.  (Read 3740 times)

Lurkndog

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2021, 09:17:08 AM »
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

Adding a big stinky pile of racism and sexism on top of the existing corruption has not improved the situation one bit.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2021, 09:47:50 AM »
But in Disney's case its anyones guess what the hell the nuts at Disney were thinking. Or even if they were thinking at all.

When a company reaches a certain mega-size, its employees no longer need to care of the company makes money. They are too insulated from the bottom line. So you end up with an entire company where every employee is just looking out for their own careers. If a movie fails, it won't affect their job as long as they can prove to the higher ups that it wasn't there fault. That's why you've seen an endless stream of silly excuses like franchise fatigue, racist trolls, pandemic, etc. Everyone is lying to their boss and those lies go all the way up to the top to a CEO that shares those same lies to their investors. It's an easy out for everyone.

Here's one example. Several years ago, Disney had a video game called Disney Infinity. It was fairly successful but the guy in charge made a fatal mistake of vastly overestimating how many Marvel figures he could sell so he overproduced them. There were literally millions of unsold figures in a warehouse killing the games profitability. How did this guy solve the problem? He transferred himself into another division and, two months later, Disney cancelled the game and laid off everyone working on it. Everyone lost their job except for the one guy solely responsible for the game's failure.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2021, 11:00:07 AM »
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

Adding a big stinky pile of racism and sexism on top of the existing corruption has not improved the situation one bit.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

   That part seems strange to me.  Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2021, 11:16:13 AM »
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

Adding a big stinky pile of racism and sexism on top of the existing corruption has not improved the situation one bit.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

   That part seems strange to me.  Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.
Project management is hard. It's amazing so many of the Marvel movies came out so well. It's not surprising than other franchises did poorly.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2021, 11:18:50 AM »
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

Adding a big stinky pile of racism and sexism on top of the existing corruption has not improved the situation one bit.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

   That part seems strange to me.  Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.
Project management is hard. It's amazing so many of the Marvel movies came out so well. It's not surprising than other franchises did poorly.

  The thing is, when you literally have a shining example of best practices in the office across the hall so to speak...I think hubris likely plays a role, many of the people in Hollywood strike me as damaged people who have egos the size of Texas.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2021, 08:44:17 PM »
Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.

Marvel has rather an amazing team of planners and creative types, but they built that at Marvel while they were still independent. Disney has some lifetime creative geniuses, but all of the original guys are long gone, and I bet most of the wave that led the revival of the company in the 1990s are gone now too.

Historically, LucasArts did not develop a permanent internal ensemble of creators. They had George Lucas, and for a lot of things, they outsourced to ILM. Creative teams at LucasArts tend to disband after major projects end, and many creators went on to form their own production or effects houses outside of the LucasArts/ILM umbrella. Most of the Mythbusters crew were ex-ILM, for instance. The closest thing to a permanent core of creatives was the animation teams that worked on Clone Wars and Rebels, who got to work with George Lucas directly, and some of whom went on to work on Mandalorian.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2021, 08:46:44 PM »
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

   That part seems strange to me.  Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.
Project management is hard. It's amazing so many of the Marvel movies came out so well. It's not surprising than other franchises did poorly.


Hate to say it. But the Marvel movies are not as good as people keep making them out to be. Iron Man, Captain America, Doctor Strange, Thor even. They look nice but totally screw up the characters at every turn. Some of the sequels arent bad. Winter Soldier I liked and Avengers. The original X-men and Spider Man movies werent bad really. But the movies after progressively deviate from the source to the point they are approaching "in name only". Endgame in particular treats the characters so horribly.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2021, 09:11:56 PM »
Hate to say it. But the Marvel movies are not as good as people keep making them out to be. Iron Man, Captain America, Doctor Strange, Thor even. They look nice but totally screw up the characters at every turn. Some of the sequels arent bad. Winter Soldier I liked and Avengers. The original X-men and Spider Man movies werent bad really. But the movies after progressively deviate from the source to the point they are approaching "in name only". Endgame in particular treats the characters so horribly.

One of the problems you have with the Marvel characters is choosing which version of the characters to adapt. Some of them have changed radically over the years. For instance there are long stretches of the comics where Thor isn't Thor, and Tony Stark isn't Iron Man. The Marvel team did an excellent job of choosing which elements to bring together to make the movie versions of the characters, and which to leave out.

Even then, though, there were a lot of classic storylines that they simply didn't get to tell. They never really did Demon in a Glass Bottle for Iron Man, or Armor Wars, though they hinted at both in Iron Man 2. They never really did a classic standalone Captain America storyline where he simply fights some bad guys, either.

I also don't particularly like what they've done with Spider-Man, though Tom Holland is very good in the role.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2021, 09:16:01 PM »
Corruption breeds incompetence, and Hollywood is deeply corrupt.

I am kind of shocked at how badly the sequel trilogy was handled, though. How does someone get approval to launch a billion dollar movie trilogy without having a basic story outline?

   That part seems strange to me.  Given how much planning went into the Marvel movies, it is so strange that the same company had about zero planning on what should have been an even more lucrative license.
Project management is hard. It's amazing so many of the Marvel movies came out so well. It's not surprising than other franchises did poorly.


Hate to say it. But the Marvel movies are not as good as people keep making them out to be. Iron Man, Captain America, Doctor Strange, Thor even. They look nice but totally screw up the characters at every turn. Some of the sequels arent bad. Winter Soldier I liked and Avengers. The original X-men and Spider Man movies werent bad really. But the movies after progressively deviate from the source to the point they are approaching "in name only". Endgame in particular treats the characters so horribly.

 I agree, but it also only amplifies my point, the movies do not have to be *that* good, they can just be freaking decent and in some ways a little consistent.  Do that, and do not flat out spit in the faces of fans, and you will print money.  The fact that Marvel understood that small bit, and the Star Wars crew seemed to actively work against it is still a little amazing.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2021, 01:31:59 AM »
I agree, but it also only amplifies my point, the movies do not have to be *that* good, they can just be freaking decent and in some ways a little consistent.  Do that, and do not flat out spit in the faces of fans, and you will print money.  The fact that Marvel understood that small bit, and the Star Wars crew seemed to actively work against it is still a little amazing.

Except by endgame they have spit in the faces of the fans and the creators of the characters they have actively set out to thoroughly ruin.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2021, 07:16:36 PM »
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Except by endgame they have spit in the faces of the fans and the creators of the characters they have actively set out to thoroughly ruin.

By all account sentiment not shared by majority of fandom - so it went nowhere near "go broke" area. Most of watchers rated Endgame high.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2021, 08:35:32 PM »
I agree, but it also only amplifies my point, the movies do not have to be *that* good, they can just be freaking decent and in some ways a little consistent.  Do that, and do not flat out spit in the faces of fans, and you will print money.  The fact that Marvel understood that small bit, and the Star Wars crew seemed to actively work against it is still a little amazing.

Except by endgame they have spit in the faces of the fans and the creators of the characters they have actively set out to thoroughly ruin.

  Not sure I got the full vibe of that from endgame.  I was a bit miffed that Thor was a fat ass and professor hulk was a pussy, but I can honestly take that as crude attempts at comedy.  Though, since Thor has ALWAYS eaten and drank as if there were no tomorrow, it makes no sense he suddenly gets fat. Or Captain America would go back in time and let his best friend be a mind controlled terminator for bad guys for decades.  But I am also not always as certain people are wrecking characters from any point of view past incompetence.   Or is there some other idea you have around endgame (to me using time travel was a really cheap out and something I think they did to make other movies) and how it was presented?

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #57 on: August 23, 2021, 01:59:15 PM »
The whole thing with Johanssen is such a dumpster fire. If the contract specifically stated Disney wasn't supposed to release in both theatres and streaming platforms and they did it anyway, ScarJo wins (short of Disney buying off everyone involved).

Latest news is that Disney is seeking to settle this out of court.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-scarlett-johansson-arbitration-1235046169/

But, reading this article makes it seem like ScarJo's contract didn't explicitly mention an "exclusive" release which makes Disney's reaction more reasonable (just a bit more reasonable since the money involved isn't all that great). I think this will signal a bunch of other actors to make similar claims. 

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2021, 11:07:32 AM »
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Or Captain America would go back in time and let his best friend be a mind controlled terminator for bad guys for decades.

Well probably he didn't but then nice guys from TVA appeared and explained to him he has to lay low and do not disturb The Sacred Timeline or something.
If he did branch alternate reality it would had no bearing on ending of Endgame anyway - you cannot re-wrote the past just branch it.

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Or is there some other idea you have around endgame (to me using time travel was a really cheap out and something I think they did to make other movies) and how it was presented?

Till the last scene with Steve's return... I think it was quite neat due to restrictions stopping re-writing of the past I must say.