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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2021, 01:04:55 AM »


What a shitshow. I was hoping Mandalorian would be a turning point for Disney/Lucasfilm, but it's looking like a brief anomaly, crushed by the upper management in favor of getting back to pissing on the fans and running the franchise into the ground.

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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2021, 09:16:15 AM »
Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 14, 2021, 04:18:46 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on February 13, 2021, 07:41:47 PM
Also, Hasbro announced that they cancelled all their upcoming Cara Dune figures, which pretty much shatters that fantasy that Hasbro will get sick of WotC's wokeness and step in to fix D&D. They clearly care more about politics than profit.

And the collectors have already started making a run on the online stores for the existing figures, I'm assuming in the hopes that they'll be collectible due to rarity and the controversy.

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Search?SearchText=cara+dune
YES! Got one (of three remaining) yesterday!
Today, when I search for Funko Pop Dune, all that shows up is this:
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2021, 05:18:40 PM »
Did I hear rumours that Disney have gone crawling back to Carano?
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2021, 05:59:02 PM »
Quote from: Kiero on August 13, 2021, 05:18:40 PM
Did I hear rumours that Disney have gone crawling back to Carano?

Nah. She just announced the new movie she's working on, which has nothing to do with Star Wars or Disney.

Disney cancelled a movie that starred Scarlet Johansen out of spite for the lawsuit. Looks like there is a near-zero% chance of them taking Carano back.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2021, 06:03:04 PM by hedgehobbit »
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2021, 06:23:26 PM »
The 2016 disaster that was "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" is why I have not seen any movie in the theaters since.
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2021, 09:35:49 PM »
Quote from: hedgehobbit on August 13, 2021, 05:59:02 PM
Quote from: Kiero on August 13, 2021, 05:18:40 PM
Did I hear rumours that Disney have gone crawling back to Carano?

Nah. She just announced the new movie she's working on, which has nothing to do with Star Wars or Disney.

Disney cancelled a movie that starred Scarlet Johansen out of spite for the lawsuit. Looks like there is a near-zero% chance of them taking Carano back.
The whole thing with Johanssen is such a dumpster fire. If the contract specifically stated Disney wasn't supposed to release in both theatres and streaming platforms and they did it anyway, ScarJo wins (short of Disney buying off everyone involved).

What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2021, 11:58:34 PM »
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2021, 08:28:05 AM »
Quote from: hedgehobbit on August 13, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2021, 01:00:04 PM »
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 14, 2021, 08:28:05 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on August 13, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Have we seen any real evidence that they are not? They might experience some minor troubles, but they are barely blips compared to the $$$ that keep on coming in.
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2021, 11:21:34 PM »
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 14, 2021, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 14, 2021, 08:28:05 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on August 13, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Have we seen any real evidence that they are not? They might experience some minor troubles, but they are barely blips compared to the $$$ that keep on coming in.

  Interesting thing I never realized about Disney.  A MASSIVE amount (substantially more than they make from movies) of their revenue every year comes from their parks.  They have taken an enormous hit these past two years, and they apparently have had the long term habit (over a decade) of taking out massive loans constantly to buy up their own stock to drive up the price.   The money they owe now, with no real park revenue for so long has a good number of them worried.  So maybe they have problems they are good at hiding?   In any event you may be right, this sort of stuff may be in the rear view soon enough, it just seems like a bad idea to see if they can piss everyone off at one time (talent, audience and creatives), or maybe it is jus their time to have some rough times.  I guess at a certain point it is hard to tell what is hubris and what is really a bullet proof corporation.
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2021, 09:55:09 AM »
Quote from: oggsmash on August 14, 2021, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 14, 2021, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 14, 2021, 08:28:05 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on August 13, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Have we seen any real evidence that they are not? They might experience some minor troubles, but they are barely blips compared to the $$$ that keep on coming in.

  Interesting thing I never realized about Disney.  A MASSIVE amount (substantially more than they make from movies) of their revenue every year comes from their parks.  They have taken an enormous hit these past two years, and they apparently have had the long term habit (over a decade) of taking out massive loans constantly to buy up their own stock to drive up the price.   The money they owe now, with no real park revenue for so long has a good number of them worried.  So maybe they have problems they are good at hiding?   In any event you may be right, this sort of stuff may be in the rear view soon enough, it just seems like a bad idea to see if they can piss everyone off at one time (talent, audience and creatives), or maybe it is jus their time to have some rough times.  I guess at a certain point it is hard to tell what is hubris and what is really a bullet proof corporation.
Well, they are still underwater on their Star Wars purchase (and WAY below projected earnings from the franchise... look at their projections from their financials right after the sale).  That's not something the finance guys and investors are just going to hand-wave...
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2021, 10:54:33 AM »
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 15, 2021, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on August 14, 2021, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 14, 2021, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 14, 2021, 08:28:05 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on August 13, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Have we seen any real evidence that they are not? They might experience some minor troubles, but they are barely blips compared to the $$$ that keep on coming in.

  Interesting thing I never realized about Disney.  A MASSIVE amount (substantially more than they make from movies) of their revenue every year comes from their parks.  They have taken an enormous hit these past two years, and they apparently have had the long term habit (over a decade) of taking out massive loans constantly to buy up their own stock to drive up the price.   The money they owe now, with no real park revenue for so long has a good number of them worried.  So maybe they have problems they are good at hiding?   In any event you may be right, this sort of stuff may be in the rear view soon enough, it just seems like a bad idea to see if they can piss everyone off at one time (talent, audience and creatives), or maybe it is jus their time to have some rough times.  I guess at a certain point it is hard to tell what is hubris and what is really a bullet proof corporation.
Well, they are still underwater on their Star Wars purchase (and WAY below projected earnings from the franchise... look at their projections from their financials right after the sale).  That's not something the finance guys and investors are just going to hand-wave...
I saw an interesting bit of speculation on BleedingFool that the purchase of Lucasfilm was so Disney could kill the Star Wars IP.

Which is... kind of a novel take, but I don't buy it. Disney plowed WAY too much money into the purchase, and then into the parks (even if they fucked them up spectacularly -- Galaxy's Edge, for example). I think it's less 'kill the SW IP' and more 'we've hired on a bunch of duhversity hires who have the imagination of a slug'.
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2021, 11:02:28 AM »
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 15, 2021, 10:54:33 AM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 15, 2021, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on August 14, 2021, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 14, 2021, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 14, 2021, 08:28:05 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on August 13, 2021, 11:58:34 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 13, 2021, 09:35:49 PM
What stuns me is... why? Why would you deliberately piss her off like that?

The only thing I can think of is that Disney is desperate to not set a precedent that actors should get a portion of streaming revenue.
Nah.  Disney believes they can do whatever they want.  While the finance people might not want to cut anyone else in, the heads of the corp truly believe they are untouchable.
Have we seen any real evidence that they are not? They might experience some minor troubles, but they are barely blips compared to the $$$ that keep on coming in.

  Interesting thing I never realized about Disney.  A MASSIVE amount (substantially more than they make from movies) of their revenue every year comes from their parks.  They have taken an enormous hit these past two years, and they apparently have had the long term habit (over a decade) of taking out massive loans constantly to buy up their own stock to drive up the price.   The money they owe now, with no real park revenue for so long has a good number of them worried.  So maybe they have problems they are good at hiding?   In any event you may be right, this sort of stuff may be in the rear view soon enough, it just seems like a bad idea to see if they can piss everyone off at one time (talent, audience and creatives), or maybe it is jus their time to have some rough times.  I guess at a certain point it is hard to tell what is hubris and what is really a bullet proof corporation.
Well, they are still underwater on their Star Wars purchase (and WAY below projected earnings from the franchise... look at their projections from their financials right after the sale).  That's not something the finance guys and investors are just going to hand-wave...
I saw an interesting bit of speculation on BleedingFool that the purchase of Lucasfilm was so Disney could kill the Star Wars IP.

Which is... kind of a novel take, but I don't buy it. Disney plowed WAY too much money into the purchase, and then into the parks (even if they fucked them up spectacularly -- Galaxy's Edge, for example). I think it's less 'kill the SW IP' and more 'we've hired on a bunch of duhversity hires who have the imagination of a slug'.

  Well, when was the last time Disney came out with something new and solely from their company?   They seem to specialize in repackaging and rebooting and the company in general has lacked real creativity for a very long time.  I guess it is the logical end that art by committee reaches.
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2021, 12:03:53 AM »
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 15, 2021, 10:54:33 AM
Which is... kind of a novel take, but I don't buy it. Disney plowed WAY too much money into the purchase, and then into the parks (even if they fucked them up spectacularly -- Galaxy's Edge, for example). I think it's less 'kill the SW IP' and more 'we've hired on a bunch of duhversity hires who have the imagination of a slug'.

Other entertainment companies have done it in the past. The company that bought up Filmation destroyed the masters deliberately. Theres more. Its rare still far as know.

But in Disney's case its anyones guess what the hell the nuts at Disney were thinking. Or even if they were thinking at all. Looking at what they have done since buying Star Wars and Marvel it reads more like they bought the two to kill all their old IP, especially at the parks. Looking at some of the abominations of their new 'animation' of older Disney IPs that seems to be the case.
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Re: Gina Carano fired by Disney.
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2021, 08:33:44 AM »
Quote from: Omega on August 16, 2021, 12:03:53 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on August 15, 2021, 10:54:33 AM
Which is... kind of a novel take, but I don't buy it. Disney plowed WAY too much money into the purchase, and then into the parks (even if they fucked them up spectacularly -- Galaxy's Edge, for example). I think it's less 'kill the SW IP' and more 'we've hired on a bunch of duhversity hires who have the imagination of a slug'.

Other entertainment companies have done it in the past. The company that bought up Filmation destroyed the masters deliberately. Theres more. Its rare still far as know.

But in Disney's case its anyones guess what the hell the nuts at Disney were thinking. Or even if they were thinking at all. Looking at what they have done since buying Star Wars and Marvel it reads more like they bought the two to kill all their old IP, especially at the parks. Looking at some of the abominations of their new 'animation' of older Disney IPs that seems to be the case.
I could see Disney doing it, yeah, but the amount of money involved just seems counterintuitive.
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