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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2007, 12:04:11 am »
Well, if you are into masochistic self-punishment apparently story-games have some game groups that are really good for that.
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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2007, 12:10:11 am »
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Not clicking on the thread once you know that it contains a subject that you are not interested in also helps.  Really.  Or is there some masochistic self-punishment thing going on here?

Fair point, John.  I am just frustrated because there is so much more interesting things to talk about and rehashing this prurient shit sucks the oxygen away from that.  But that is my problem, and not yours.

My point is made, so Fuck It And Goodnight.


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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2007, 12:12:49 am »
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Not clicking on the thread once you know that it contains a subject that you are not interested in also helps.

I don't dispute this statement at all. I am however a sensitive and unique flower, and I am trying to pretend that this shit isn't dominating the boards. It's hard to do that when there are several threads of the same nature running on and on at the same time. Furthermore, multiple threads about the same thing push other threads about different things off the front page; I don't think this is optimal- opinions may vary on this issue, though. Furtherfurthermore, I am dragging this post off topic out of sheer sadistic spite, and because as dull as a the subject of thread management is; it entertains me infinitely more than the topic at hand.
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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2007, 12:23:22 am »
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I don't dispute this statement at all. I am however a sensitive and unique flower, and I am trying to pretend that this shit isn't dominating the boards.
Well, you don't kill topics by posting about them, you kill them by posting about other stuff. I started two threads and encouraged NeverCool to start one yesterday in the Game Design subforum, they all fizzled. Maybe they just weren't interesting so deserved to fizzle, but maybe people were too busy with this other shit instead. I don't know. A discussion forum's like a party - people will go where other people are already talking, not where some poor bastard is standing around looking bored and lonely. So if the active threads are talking about this stuid shit, that's where people will go; if the threads about roleplaying are dead, people won't go to them.

Right now, we have 33 members online. If each starts one thread about roleplaying, at least a few of those will be interesting to someone.

Post about topics which interest you, or shut the fuck up and stop whinging. Don't look at me, fellahs, it's not my fault if you only respond to threads that annoy you.

Post about stuff that interests you, and respond to others' posts, too. Then people will continue talking about stuff that interests you. It's not that complicated.
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« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2007, 01:07:20 am »
You, sir, are obviously wise beyond measure; still though, being the fool I am, I will do as I like; but thank you ever so much for your advice.
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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2007, 01:18:18 am »
You don't annoy me, Aos. You only puzzle me.

But you don't kill a topic by posting about it, you kill it by putting other stuff up.

And I do follow my own advice - from 1st July to today I've posted 20 threads, 16 of them in Roleplaying or Game Design. That's one rpg thread every 4 or 5 days. Multiply that by all the active members and we'd have quite a few roleplaying threads going on.

Or we could just bitch and moan.

I mean, I could post more threads but this is supposed to be therpgsite not theKylesite. More might be counter-productive, put people off. So we need to see threads from Aos, jeff37923, and so on.
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« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2007, 01:33:14 am »
Well when someone accuses me of  "whinging" I must assume annoyance on their part- but, I am nearly always willing to admit error.
However, Kyle, my purpose is being well served, for the moment; we're now engaged in a discussion on two new topics;  each of which is far more interesting than the original topic of this thread: the first being thread management (btw, the request for merger of these related threads still seems reasonable to me; if nothing else it will keep the discussion all in one handy place for those who do wish to engage in it) and, second, a topic near infinite scope and fascination, placed upon the table by yourself- and that is, of course, the puzzling and enchanting enigma that is Aos. I suggest we begin the second conversation with a discourse on my seemingly compulsive abuse of the semi-colon; from there, we might move into other, even more riveting, sub topics- such as my irrational hatred of dwarves.  The future is indeed bright.

edit: I edited post 35 before I saw post 36; I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
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« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2007, 01:44:35 am »
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One of my favorite musical artists is Laurie Anderson and Robert Mapplethorpe had done a portrait of her that was the cover of her Strange Angels album. The original  Photo portrait was part of that exhibit,...so were about a dozen B&W portraits of women bodybuilders...nude, but beautiful. (also gorgeous studies of flowers and nature - but that doesn't get press coverage does it ?)


Actually, the flowers were about all they were showing on TV at one point.

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IF Robert Mapplethorpe was still alive - even he would say that Poison'd was a bit over the top and extreme.


While it's dangerous and presumptuous for either of us to speak for a dead man, are you sure about that?  I've IMed you links to some pages of Mapplethorpe's photos that don't deal with flowers, nature, or women bodybuilders.  You don't have to click on them but if you do, please let me know what you think.
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« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2007, 02:29:21 am »
John Morrow,

 Many of those I've already seen - they were part of the exhibit.
 
 There was also a seperate part of the exhibit called "The X,Y,Z, portfolios" I believe - it had a barrier partition wall....to view those photos you had to make a choice. That section contained the more graphic documentation of gay life of a certain time period.  A time period that the artist knew was due to end. They were done in a more documentary style, but still had Mappletorpe's style and artistry.

 Okay - for clarification and reminder; I was one of the people that was and is strongly against the game Poison'dand those actual play examples.
Also - apparently I am NOT an "old lady" as referred to by one poster who accused those that didn't like Baker's game to be one of those.

 Mapplethorpe's photographs can be considered artwork.  He knew what he was doing and had actual skill and talent.  The game Poison'd cannot really make that claim.

 Mapplethorpe died of AIDS, in his later years he knew he had the disease....I could see the sadness in his later stuff.

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As a sidenote: I took 3 years worth of Art School classes at the DAAP/University of Cincinnati. I have "some talent", but not enough practice....I'm a pretty fair sketch artist after all these years - but I never finished my classes. Ran out of money.
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« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2007, 02:52:05 am »
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Mapplethorpe's photographs can be considered artwork.  He knew what he was doing and had actual skill and talent.  The game Poison'd cannot really make that claim.

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« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2007, 03:04:56 am »
No, I really don't.

Mapplethorpe never endorsed rape or corpse violating.
The writer of Poison'd and the game itself seens to.


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« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2007, 05:21:46 am »
Now you're veering between two points:

A. Mapplethorpe gets a pass because he's more talented.
B. Anyway he never did such nasty stuff.

It just goes to show that Mapplethorpe is pretty much mainstream these days. Practically gay porn, really.
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« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2007, 05:28:58 am »
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So the players vicariously revel in rape, beheading, and defiling of the corpse of a boy - and it's none of our business? How about that they did this at a public convention - can it be our business now?  How about when they pronounce how they did so on a public forum associated with RPGs? At what point is it OK to denounce this? Do you?
Of course you are free to do so at any time, and detailed discussion of play like that should always be one of those situations in which discretion is advised. However, keep in mind that when the APs talk about how those scenes were "right", what they mean is that it makes sense for them to have happened in the context of the story and from the perspective of dramatic appropriateness, not that such atrocities are in themselves something to be celebrated. It's not a game about rape, beheading and defilement, only about unpleasant people who are sometimes willing to do horrible things if they think that it will help them to reach their goals. If it really endorsed those horrible things, it wouldn't go out of its way to remind you at every turn that they are sinful and unnatural and ultimately as harmful to you as they are to your victims.
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« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2007, 05:31:37 am »
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Now you're veering between two points:

A. Mapplethorpe gets a pass because he's more talented.
B. Anyway he never did such nasty stuff.

It just goes to show that Mapplethorpe is pretty much mainstream these days. Practically gay porn, really.



No "veering' at all . My Gut "art-meter" says that Mapplethorpe was an artist, and Vincent Baker is not one.


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« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2007, 05:32:37 am »
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No "veering' at all . My Gut "art-meter" says that Mapplethorpe was an artist, and Vincent Baker is not one.

It always helps when the papers call him one, doesn't it?
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