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« Reply #75 on: December 03, 2008, 08:21:02 PM »
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And the first Kirk didn't talk so much like man as he did like a bad stage actor.


Like I said, this new fella is a pretty boy...purdy boy. Klingons would probably consider him jailbait and you don't even want to know what women (Klingon) will make of this guy.....

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« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2008, 08:24:22 PM »
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Like I said, this new fella is a pretty boy...purdy boy. Klingons would probably consider him jailbait and you don't even want to know what women (Klingon) will make of this guy.....

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« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2008, 08:45:02 PM »
As long as he can do that flying body roll trek chi move, he'll be unstoppable.
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« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2008, 08:47:26 PM »
If you thought that the slashfic was bad before, wait till this new film opens....

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« Reply #79 on: December 03, 2008, 11:50:36 PM »
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I just saw an interview with Woody Allen where he said that he managed to be more or less independent and do his own thing because he kept his movies "low budget". Which means under $20 million, which perhaps does not seem low budget, but by Hollywood standards...


Agreed. Woody Allen isn't bad, comparatively - but one of my major gripes about Hollywood style movies is that if the production company had spent even a fraction as much on their screenwriters as they do on their star actor/actresses and special effects then maybe there would be fewer money losing turkeys out there.

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I'm also thinking of a while back reading that the reason most scifi tv series get canned is that they cost a lot to make. TV shows are made to draw in advertising revenue, which is in proportion to audience share. You make some soap for $100,000 an episode, but the scifi one might cost $1,000,000 an episode. So unless the scifi one gets ten times the ratings of the soap, you don't think it's worth it. So the 10% rating soap continues while the 50% ratings scifi series gets axed.


Most TV series also require at least a season in order to build up an audience. It seems that if a scifi TV series isn't deemed a hit right at the start, then most channels will refuse to keep it going. Two great examples of this are Firefly and Space: Above and Beyond. The former was better than the latter, but both were above average productions for their time.

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Basically, as soon as a heap of money gets involved, you become picky with the details and don't want to take risks.

Me, I'd rather see five "independent" $20 million films, or twenty to fifty genuienly independent movies, than one "studio" $100 million film. We'd miss out on some films where the $100 million or more was used to great effect, like Cleopatra, Titanic or Gladiator. It would be a shame to lose them, but in their place we'd get five No Country for Old Men, I'm Not There, or about twenty Touching the Void. And we'd miss out on turkeys like the Star Wars prequels, Waterworld or Ishtar.


See, right now we are actually in a Golden Age for fantasy and scifi productions. Computer animation and computer generated special effects allow production companies the capability to make incredible special effects for a fraction of the cost that those same effects used to. This has been done to great effect with TV series like newBSG, the New Outer Limits, and Stargate. The only hangup remains the writers - but even that can be overcome by mining the vast collection of previous short stories and novels already published (a great example of which was the New Outer Limits episode Inconstant Moon based on the Larry Niven story of the same name).

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Just thinking of Star Trek, there are a lot of crazy fans out there making their own episodes. Now this is not brilliant film-making. But let's be honest, neither was the original Star Trek, or about two-thirds the episodes or movies. And they are not spending hundreds of millions of dollars doing it. Nor are they being frighteningly original and taking risks with that money :)


But YouTube does provide a great playground for young moviemakers to learn in. Maybe some will become the next James Cameron or Ridley Scott.
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« Reply #80 on: December 03, 2008, 11:54:16 PM »
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I don't know, the last three super hero movies I've seen, for instance, don't really fit this trend. The newer Hulk movie had Ed Norton a guy in his thrities playing a guy in his thirties, Christian Bale's Batman doesn't seem boyish to me, Robert Downy's Tony Stark, I guess a case could be made for that one, but I think it fit the character really well- and the newer Bond movies are definitely not part of this trend.


I can understand that, but unfortunately cannot speak to any of those because I haven't seen the movies.


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I think they selected young actors for new trek films as simple matter of planning- because they probably want to make a bunch of them and if you start with a cast that's already pushing forty you're going to have to deal with things like when the first Scotty transformed into a walrus- not to mention whatever the fuck it was that age did to Nichelle Nichols- before you get to the third film.
And the first Kirk didn't talk so much like man as he did like a bad stage actor.


Does Paramount really think that they can stretch the franchise out that far into the future? I don't think that the supporting fanbase for Star Trek is still there anymore.
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« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2008, 12:23:12 AM »
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Does Paramount really think that they can stretch the franchise out that far into the future? I don't think that the supporting fanbase for Star Trek is still there anymore.



They are in a way - just now they have kids and they WANT 'something' on the big screen thats kind of like what they remember that they can enjoy with their kids.

There are folks walking to into the stpre all the time asking "Why isn't there more STAR TREK stuff that I can buy?"  I tell them : "Because there is current TREK on television screens or theaters.
 Most of that licensed stuff has dried up.

Escept now a LOT of those fans who were teens in the 80s have kids of their own...and they yearn for something new or current to show their kids that has that 'STAR TREK' name attached to it.

Buying the DVD collections only gets them so far.

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« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2008, 12:29:07 AM »
But you have to agree that this isn't the same fanbase that in past times organized a massive write-in campaign to have the space shuttle test vehicle renamed "Enterprise". The times have changed along with the people and I'm not seeing the same kind of enthusiasm to support projects that there once was.
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« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2008, 03:32:50 AM »
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Does Paramount really think that they can stretch the franchise out that far into the future? I don't think that the supporting fanbase for Star Trek is still there anymore.


Didn't JJA say that he wasn't making a film for the fans more like for folks who like action adventure ? IMO they are hoping to shed the obsessive fan base and attract a mainstream crowd and turn the whole thing into a series of films.

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« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2008, 06:59:45 AM »
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I'm also thinking of a while back reading that the reason most scifi tv series get canned is that they cost a lot to make. TV shows are made to draw in advertising revenue, which is in proportion to audience share. You make some soap for $100,000 an episode, but the scifi one might cost $1,000,000 an episode.

Example: Firefly cost fifty percent more - $1.5 million per episode - to produce than The West Wing, but had radically fewer viewers. It was something of a no-brainer for Fox that this wasn't good return on investment; you'll notice the science fiction series - Terminator and Fringe - they're running now are using different tactics: Terminator is low budget, while Fringe banked on name recognition. It will be interesting to see what Dollhouse relies on; Whedon couldn't possibly be going back without some sort of assurances.

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So unless the scifi one gets ten times the ratings of the soap, you don't think it's worth it. So the 10% rating soap continues while the 50% ratings scifi series gets axed.

Well, and they don't do soaps, because those cost even more than the thing they rely more and more on: reality shows, the lowest-budget of all. My hope is that the American populace will eventually tire of watching these things, and there'll be more quality drama, but I'm not holding my breath.
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« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2008, 09:54:43 AM »
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I can understand that, but unfortunately cannot speak to any of those because I haven't seen the movies.




Does Paramount really think that they can stretch the franchise out that far into the future? I don't think that the supporting fanbase for Star Trek is still there anymore.


1. See those superhero movies, Jeff- they're all pretty good. Knowing that we share some tastes in comics, I can't imagine you not liking Iron Man.

2. As far as the fan base goes, I haven't liked anything since TOS and I'm going to see this new one. If it doesn't suck I'll probably see the next one.
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« Reply #86 on: December 04, 2008, 11:42:32 AM »
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2. As far as the fan base goes, I haven't liked anything since TOS and I'm going to see this new one. If it doesn't suck I'll probably see the next one.



Aos, somehow I think you might wind up liking this one. It looks like enough has been changed and also retained from the original that fans of TOS will probably enjoy it.

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« Reply #87 on: December 04, 2008, 07:25:55 PM »
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Didn't JJA say that he wasn't making a film for the fans more like for folks who like action adventure ? IMO they are hoping to shed the obsessive fan base and attract a mainstream crowd and turn the whole thing into a series of films.

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I'm not sure if that is the direction JJA is going, but it would be a smart choice in order to keep the franchise popular and profitable.
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« Reply #88 on: December 04, 2008, 09:39:28 PM »
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1. See those superhero movies, Jeff- they're all pretty good. Knowing that we share some tastes in comics, I can't imagine you not liking Iron Man.

2. As far as the fan base goes, I haven't liked anything since TOS and I'm going to see this new one. If it doesn't suck I'll probably see the next one.


1> I'll do so. I just have been having Real Life get in my way. But I've got some time off now...

2> That's the Other Thing. After TOS, when individual Star Trek episodes were good, they were astoundingly good. When post-TOS episodes were bad, they were so incredibly bad that you wanted to jab a screwdriver into your brain to hopefully remove the very memory of that episode.
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