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Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on November 29, 2007, 07:21:05 PM
The famous Creepy Gamer (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=133489) thread on rpg.net has been closed with 5,169 posts and 1,570,155 views. Closed because their piss-weak server and software can't handle all those big threads, so perhaps another will be started. Begun on 7-9-2004, it's seen quite some life and tales, some of which may even be true.

The last tales to be included were those of "anarco_rata" from Venezuela, who tells us memorably,
Quote from: anarco_rata
This guy had something very wrong on his brain. He was a perverse, sick fuck. In my first time playing one of his stories, my character was castrated, in detail, when he was captured by random bandits. Why would random bandits want my junk was beyond me, but they surely got it, and proceeded to beat me with it. Every hit was for about 3d6 damage in D&d, and eventually killed me. I was murdered by my own penis, that apparently was a more lethal weapon than a flaming bastard sword wielded by a frost giant (insert brag about size here).

"Why would random bandits want my junk was beyond me, but they surely got it, and proceeded to beat me with it."

Beautiful.

Thread locked, the end of a creepy era. Now it can go in the Big List of Links archives to harm the sanity, patience and credulity of future readers.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on November 29, 2007, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: anarco_rata
This guy had something very wrong on his brain. He was a perverse, sick fuck. In my first time playing one of his stories...
Well, there's his problem right there.  Story-gamer. :p

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on November 29, 2007, 07:39:38 PM
I still think the best story was the brazillian death squads :D

That thread is what got me to go to rpg.net.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: joewolz on November 29, 2007, 10:06:56 PM
I love that thread.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Bradford C. Walker on November 29, 2007, 10:17:04 PM
Quote from: shewolf
I still think the best story was the brazillian death squads :D

That thread is what got me to go to rpg.net.

That was one whopper of a tale, complete with fucking whores while gaming and implied death threats against the GM/talespinner.  It's like the Playboy letters column suddenly jumped to Dragon.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on November 29, 2007, 10:18:59 PM
Ah yes....,

 The thread that even the P'oison'd controversy touched and Nina posted her warning note.
 Here:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=133489&page=493


 Yet, I was not the opne crosslinking. I referred to someting humorously and obliquely ...the other guy got the joke reference - it was the Fruitsmack jerk that strirred it up - yet sourpuss Nina warned everybody BUT him.


- Ed C.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on November 30, 2007, 01:31:56 AM
A lot of warnings and bannings came from that thread. Even the guy who started it got banned.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on November 30, 2007, 01:36:34 AM
..of course if they would trim that thing called Tangency by close to 75% - many of these thread closings would not be necessary.

 Its become the gamers forum version Port Charles University from the movie P.C.U.

Somewhere along the way they forgot about the games
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on November 30, 2007, 02:12:55 AM
Eh.  Good riddance.  THat thread was full of more blatantly transparent bullshit stories than bulletproof's entire Munchausen-tastic post history.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on November 30, 2007, 02:16:25 AM
Munchausen??


 Now HE would've made a good GM.

Thats only if RPGs had started really early in our timeline....


- Ed C.



Follow the cosmic meta-thread folks, and it will all make sense. Eating bagels and bacon helps too.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Warthur on November 30, 2007, 04:00:55 AM
I'm fond of the tale of the guy who was able to get cheap rent at the cost of running games for the landlord's pantscrapping son who wouldn't let anyone leave the table for a toilet break. Probably untrue, but it's still a hilarious story.

I've never understood why Tangency has been allowed to get as large as it has. Simply letting threads quietly die after, say, two months of inactivity would solve so many of RPG.net's space problems. Are there really any Tangency threads which are so good and insightful that people go back to reread them years after the fact?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on November 30, 2007, 04:10:37 AM
Frankly, I think the problems with the forum performance have more to do with shitty programming than anything.  It's not just that they've hacked the shit out of the vBulletin software they run, it's that they haven't even done a very good job of doing so.  Combine that with some seriously shitty, outdated server hardware, and you've got a recipe for exactly the constant problems that site has.

There's plenty of other sites out there of similar or greater traffic levels that use vBulletin without realy incident.  Gametab and EvilAvatar for example, both run vBulletin software, and get a pretty heavy amount of traffic, and by and large only Gametab has ever given me trouble, and that's just the occasional "sever is too busy" message, somewhat understandable given that it's the single most popular gaming news aggregator on the Internet.  

Basically, if their servers weren't shit, and their software weren't completely fucked up, Tangency wouldn't really be a problem at all, and at present state, even if you completely deleted Tangency and all it's contained posts, you'd still be running into constant problems because of those two factors.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: TheShadow on November 30, 2007, 05:17:47 AM
When I saw this thread title and the name of the OP, I assumed that it was about the end of the Howard era...:D Now THAT was a creepy one!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Haffrung on November 30, 2007, 07:46:23 AM
Quote from: J Arcane
Frankly, I think the problems with the forum performance have more to do with shitty programming than anything.  It's not just that they've hacked the shit out of the vBulletin software they run, it's that they haven't even done a very good job of doing so.  Combine that with some seriously shitty, outdated server hardware, and you've got a recipe for exactly the constant problems that site has.



The thing that pisses me off is that their Search function doesn't work anymore. Makes the site pretty useless to me, as I go there to learn about specific games.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: JohnnyWannabe on November 30, 2007, 09:20:45 AM
Quote from: Koltar
Yet, I was not the opne crosslinking. I referred to someting humorously and obliquely ...the other guy got the joke reference - it was the Fruitsmack jerk that strirred it up - yet sourpuss Nina warned everybody BUT him.


- Ed C.

Eh. Making us nerds mods is like handing a group of 5-year olds loaded hand guns. While absolute power corrupts absolutely. Any power corrupts a nerd absoutely.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Warthur on November 30, 2007, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: Haffrung
The thing that pisses me off is that their Search function doesn't work anymore. Makes the site pretty useless to me, as I go there to learn about specific games.

It'd be nigh-trivial to replace, too. If you type "site:forum.rpg.net SEARCH TERM" into Google you get results like this (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Aforum.rpg.net+%22Forward+to+Adventure%22&btnG=Search). It is nigh-trivial for people to add search boxes to their websites to do this automatically, but the RPG.net mods still haven't cottoned on.

It's not quite as powerful as the vBulletin search tool (it's not as good for searching for posts from a specific time period), but it's a damn slight better than nothing and doesn't even entail putting a load on RPG.net's servers if done properly.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Gronan of Simmerya on November 30, 2007, 10:59:13 AM
Shrug.  I stopped reading the damn thread over a year ago.

Now, if they just get rid of the "Motivational Posters".  I've gone "Huh?" for the last time looking at that thread.

Yeah, I'm too old to be au courant on 90s kid pop culture.  Now git offa the Proletariat's lawn.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on November 30, 2007, 11:24:47 AM
Quote from: Old Geezer
Shrug.  I stopped reading the damn thread over a year ago.

Now, if they just get rid of the "Motivational Posters".  I've gone "Huh?" for the last time looking at that thread.

Yeah, I'm too old to be au courant on 90s kid pop culture.  Now git offa the Proletariat's lawn.



They DID get rid of it - then it came back from the dead as a sequel.

 The motivational posters thread was the only one that I knew people at large who had NOT signed up there were actually looking at.

For a lot of preople, that was the gateway thread to that place.


- Ed C.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on November 30, 2007, 11:58:02 AM
Quote from: Warthur
I've never understood why Tangency has been allowed to get as large as it has. Simply letting threads quietly die after, say, two months of inactivity would solve so many of RPG.net's space problems. Are there really any Tangency threads which are so good and insightful that people go back to reread them years after the fact?
Note that the admins didn't acutally remove the thread -- they only closed it, and added the suggestion that people should start a similar, new thread and link to the old one.  Therein lies the real thrust of the matter.  Notorious threads like that one are serious draws to RPG.net from the outside.  Lots of links from other websites, lots of hits on Google searches.  All of that means more visible advertising space, and that's what RPG.net is all about these days.  These bloated threads and Tangency as a whole may be a burden on their servers, but they're effectively cash cows for their business model.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on December 03, 2007, 05:22:38 PM
Side note to Big Purple stuff ....

 The Dominus Nox person has surfaced over there as "Beatnik Gamer" ...:

http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/13/13297.phtml


- Ed C.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Melan on December 04, 2007, 08:56:20 AM
Quote from: J Arcane
Eh.  Good riddance.  THat thread was full of more blatantly transparent bullshit stories than bulletproof's entire Munchausen-tastic post history.

Yes indeed. Reminds me of the "lamer" stories circulated in Hungarian diskmags in the early 90s about computer-illiterate users. A kernel of truth, a lot of exagerration and one-upmanship, mixed with an unhealthy amount of self-hate.

Note though that it isn't the discussion which was closed, only that particular topic. :mad:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on December 04, 2007, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: Koltar
Side note to Big Purple stuff ....

 The Dominus Nox person has surfaced over there as "Beatnik Gamer" ...
Hmm.  A point-build gamer who inexplicably mentions his disdain for SJG in a review and a strong under-current of racism/nationalism.  Fits the general MO.  But why worry about him here?  He's their problem.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on December 04, 2007, 12:14:09 PM
Quote from: Melan
Yes indeed. Reminds me of the "lamer" stories circulated in Hungarian diskmags in the early 90s about computer-illiterate users. A kernel of truth, a lot of exagerration and one-upmanship, mixed with an unhealthy amount of self-hate.

Note though that it isn't the discussion which was closed, only that particular topic. :mad:
That's because RPGnet LOVES gamer self-hate with a passion, and has for years.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Aos on December 04, 2007, 03:39:18 PM
Quote from: JohnnyWannabe
Eh. Making us nerds mods is like handing a group of 5-year olds loaded hand guns. While absolute power corrupts absolutely. Any power corrupts a nerd absoutely.


Nerds are bad, but I can tell you from my bay area science fiction book shop days that punks and hippies are even worse.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 22, 2008, 03:05:26 AM
And a new thread has risen to replace it, called What's the scariest thing you've ever heard a gamer say? (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=385254) It's basically the same topic.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on March 22, 2008, 03:33:50 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron
And a new thread has risen to replace it, called What's the scariest thing you've ever heard a gamer say? (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=385254) It's basically the same topic.
Those poor, emotionally scarred motherfuckers.

No wonder they need an "emotionally safe environment", they're all too busy hiding away from the badevilgamers.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 22, 2008, 03:39:13 AM
Apparently.

And no wonder they say "gaming is dying!" if they keep running into paedophiles and stuff.

I dunno, within a post or two my Bullshit Meter's needle starts shaking around. But as this is the internet, I hope only for entertainment, not for truth :)
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on March 22, 2008, 03:45:15 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron
Apparently.

And no wonder they say "gaming is dying!" if they keep running into paedophiles and stuff.

I dunno, within a post or two my Bullshit Meter's needle starts shaking around. But as this is the internet, I hope only for entertainment, not for truth :)
There were two good stories in that one, the first was the "ex-marine" casually jumping straight to skinning the bar wench alive, and the second was the VampLarp story about the Giovanni (which of course the audience proceeds to ruin by sticking up for the loopy feminists).

The one that really tripped my bullshitometer though was the one who actually quoted a line from a fucking movie and then claimed it happened in his Sorceror game.  

It's not just obvious bullshit, it's PRETENTIOUS obvious bullshit.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: flyingmice on March 22, 2008, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: J Arcane
Eh.  Good riddance.  THat thread was full of more blatantly transparent bullshit stories than bulletproof's entire Munchausen-tastic post history.


Hated hated HATED that thread! Good riddance! It's a series of fictional one-ups with an occasional factual problem player thrown in for spice. Utter crap.

-clash
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: David Johansen on March 22, 2008, 04:28:41 PM
So, somebody explain the bulletproof hate to me?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on March 22, 2008, 05:24:31 PM
Bulletproof is a big damn case of Munchhausen's syndrome.  But it's a version that focuses entirely on human misery stories, and parasitic to boot.  You could post about some dude having been de-limbed and then fed his own fingers while being assraped with his own shins, and just by some magic coincidence that same thing would've happened either to bulletproof herself, or some form of family member, depending on some minimum standard of marginal plausibility.  

She's also the purest case I know of a Tangency-only poster.  She doesn't roleplay, doesn't know anything about roleplay, has never roleplayed, and didn't even know anyone there when she started posting, just appeared out of the blue with her wierd pity porn.

Tangency eats it the fuck up, of course, and no one dares question her lunacy to her face, because that would of course interfere with the "emotionally safe environment".
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Consonant Dude on March 22, 2008, 05:30:17 PM
I didn't care for the thread much. Certainly never read it.

However, the reaction around here seems almost as if people felt threatened by it. I've been gaming since the early 80s and yeah, there's I've seen my share of absurd, sad and sometimes downright creepy shit.

I think it was at its worse (for me) when I was a very active gamer and willing to connect with other gamers before the internet era. For me, this was from the mid-80s to the late 90s.

If your gaming is done with friends, through careful screening and through converting, there's a good chance you won't meet creepy/socially awkward gamers. But back when I organized/participated in large events, or recruited/was recruited through billboards in game shops? No chance. No fucking chance in hell.    

It's not just roleplaying. Many activities and hobby will lead to the same results. For instance, through the 90s I was a very busy musician and recruited actively. And let me tell you the ratio of "normal people" gets drastically down pretty fucking quickly.

I'm not saying every story posted in those threads was true. But I think it would be misguided to discard massively what was written. I could almost recognize what I had been through in some of those stories and I have my share of them, only I don't like to dwell on them.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on March 22, 2008, 05:43:01 PM
"Threatened"?  That's just plain silly.

There is a long running undercurrent of geek hate in the RPGnet forums, has been for a long time, and by and large that thread was mostly about sitting around wanking off about how much more "normal" they were than all those other nasty gamers.  

It's the same kind of geek hate that Matt Snyder has been rambling on about, the same kind of bollocks that has the Forge and Story-Games babble on at length about how to make gaming "normal" or "mainstream".

It's pathetic self-loathing, and it has no place on a site about roleplaying games.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Aos on March 22, 2008, 05:43:52 PM
Quote from: Consonant Dude
I didn't care for the thread much. Certainly never read it.

However, the reaction around here seems almost as if people felt threatened by it. I've been gaming since the early 80s and yeah, there's I've seen my share of absurd, sad and sometimes downright creepy shit.

I think it was at its worse (for me) when I was a very active gamer and willing to connect with other gamers before the internet era. For me, this was from the mid-80s to the late 90s.

If your gaming is done with friends, through careful screening and through converting, there's a good chance you won't meet creepy/socially awkward gamers. But back when I organized/participated in large events, or recruited/was recruited through billboards in game shops? No chance. No fucking chance in hell.    

It's not just roleplaying. Many activities and hobby will lead to the same results. For instance, through the 90s I was a very busy musician and recruited actively. And let me tell you the ratio of "normal people" gets drastically down pretty fucking quickly.

I'm not saying every story posted in those threads was true. But I think it would be misguided to discard massively what was written. I could almost recognize what I had been through in some of those stories and I have my share of them, only I don't like to dwell on them.
Amen.
And anybody who thinks gamers have too much self-loathing I direct you to any of the eighty thousand 4e threads on every RPG forum everywhere. Too much you say? Not enough, says I.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Aos on March 22, 2008, 05:45:39 PM
2 much self-loathing WAAAAAAAAAH! I'm somebody dammit!!!!!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on March 22, 2008, 05:46:37 PM
Quote from: Aos
Amen.
And anybody who thinks gamers have too much self-loathing I direct you to any of the eighty thousand 4e threads on every RPG forum everywhere. Too much you say? Not enough, says I.
I think most gamers are indeed possessed of no great self-loathing over their hobby, nor do I posess any such, nor do I see that same undercurrent here or on ENWorld, or Wizards, or even when it comes up on non-RPG sites like Evil Avatar, by and large.  

But, as has been well established, RPGnet is not real life, and there is, among it's weird and cliquish userbase, a certain nasty undercurrent that is simply unpleasant and had a lot to do with the fact that I seldom posted or even read RPG Open when I was there.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: flyingmice on March 22, 2008, 05:55:14 PM
Quote from: J Arcane
"Threatened"?  That's just plain silly.

There is a long running undercurrent of geek hate in the RPGnet forums, has been for a long time, and by and large that thread was mostly about sitting around wanking off about how much more "normal" they were than all those other nasty gamers.  

It's the same kind of geek hate that Matt Snyder has been rambling on about, the same kind of bollocks that has the Forge and Story-Games babble on at length about how to make gaming "normal" or "mainstream".

It's pathetic self-loathing, and it has no place on a site about roleplaying games.


You are so on target, your last three bullets used the same holes, J.

-clash
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Serious Paul on March 22, 2008, 06:06:30 PM
If I hadn't been banned from RPG.net a long, long time ago I might have read this thread. Brasky told me a little about it, and it sounded like ti could have been funny-funnier if we could have had a way to verify the real stories from the fake, but hey what the hell right?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: David Johansen on March 22, 2008, 09:16:34 PM
Quote from: J Arcane
Bulletproof is a big damn case of Munchhausen's syndrome.  But it's a version that focuses entirely on human misery stories, and parasitic to boot.


Ah...I'd noticed that a time or two.  It never annoyed me because "she?" is friendly and congenial.  Though, I avoid the chatty threads of doom, so my exposure is fairly limited.  It is possible that her life really does suck (it's not like she's posting from a Somalli concentration camp or anything) that much but I'd lay money that she wouldn't be as willing to talk about it on-line if it did.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: David R on March 22, 2008, 09:30:44 PM
Quote from: Consonant Dude

I'm not saying every story posted in those threads was true. But I think it would be misguided to discard massively what was written. I could almost recognize what I had been through in some of those stories and I have my share of them, only I don't like to dwell on them.


Well I thought the story about the guy who moaned his pc's name when he ejaculated during masturbation was pretty creepy. Know anyone like this ?

Aos, got the right of it I think. Passionate discussion is one thing, but sometimes I sense a palpable undercurrent of self loathing. Maybe it's just that some folks have too much invested in their games to the exclusion of anything else.

Regards,
David R
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Melan on March 22, 2008, 09:40:06 PM
Quote from: Consonant Dude
However, the reaction around here seems almost as if people felt threatened by it.

My problem with the threads (beyond the obvious fabrications, light pity-porn and smug self-congratulation going on in there) is that it is used as a reference in the construction of a negative stereotype about roleplaying games and the people who play them. I have the same reaction to the talk about "dysfunctional play". There is a kernel of stuff in these theories, just like there is one in an obviously negative caricature about a subject, any subject.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Consonant Dude on March 22, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: David R
Well I thought the story about the guy who moaned his pc's name when he ejaculated during masturbation was pretty creepy. Know anyone like this ?


Eeewww... I hadn't read that one. I gave those threads a cursory look.

And no, I haven't met someone like this but I have met some weird gamers in my time. Some even weirder musicians.

I've seen it happen in other hobbies as well. And I'm talking about hobbies with totally different demographics. Cat fancying would be one.

It's not that you won't meet "normal people" in roleplaying, or jamming, or showing cats. There are plenty of cool, normal people. But it just seems like the ratio of fucked up individuals is higher.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Consonant Dude on March 22, 2008, 11:16:41 PM
Quote from: J Arcane
There is a long running undercurrent of geek hate in the RPGnet forums, has been for a long time, and by and large that thread was mostly about sitting around wanking off about how much more "normal" they were than all those other nasty gamers.


Funny how perception are different (I'm not being sarcastic, BTW). What I get as a general vibe from RPG.net is that they embrace the geek aspects and are extremely comfortable with that.

To the point where it's actually a turn off for me because it's over the fucking top.

I think what's going on (aside from the fabrications in these threads, which certainly do happen) is just that, as people who are involved in a hobby, a lot of them are encountering weirdos and blowing steam on a thread. It's harmless. I used to share my "war stories" as well when I was more active in hobbies.

I see nothing wrong about it. Now, half the threads on RPG.net were about such things, I'd be wondering what's going on. But there's plenty of activity every day, plenty of talk about old and new games.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 23, 2008, 12:33:50 AM
Quote from: Consonant Dude
However, the reaction around here seems almost as if people felt threatened by it.
Not me! I think it's hilarious. Well, some parts anyway. And even the parts that aren't funny in themselves, they're funny because the guy posting them actually expects us to believe him :D

Quote from: Consonant Dude
I'm not saying every story posted in those threads was true. But I think it would be misguided to discard massively what was written.
Well, that's the thing about urban legends, or any made-up stories. They tell us something about the way that person sees the world, about the culture or subculture. Sociologists and psychologists lap that stuff up!
Quote from: David R
Well I thought the story about the guy who moaned his pc's name when he ejaculated during masturbation was pretty creepy. Know anyone like this ?
Are you saying it was wrong to make my first girlfriend call me "Jim Bob" when we were going for it?

If you guys are going to mock my great passion for gaming like that I don't think this is an emotionally safe environment anymore.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Melan on March 23, 2008, 07:04:24 AM
Quote from: David R
Well I thought the story about the guy who moaned his pc's name when he ejaculated during masturbation was pretty creepy. Know anyone like this ?

I think that's one of them, how do you call it, bullshit stories?

And no, the other guy didn't game with the brazilian death squad either.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: David R on March 23, 2008, 08:12:59 AM
Quote from: Melan
I think that's one of them, how do you call it, bullshit stories?


I dunno. If it's routine to jerk off to fictional characters why not one of your own creation :rimshot:

Regards,
David R
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Drew on March 23, 2008, 08:37:30 AM
Quote from: David R
I dunno. If it's routine to jerk off to fictional characters why not one of your own creation.


Bigby's Clenched Fist  just took on a whole new meaning...    :pundit:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Spike on March 25, 2008, 06:39:27 PM
The beauty of the Brazilian Death Squad story is that, during the story anyway, he never comes out and calls them that.  In fact the entire thing starts out entirely plausibly, getting more fucked up at every turn.

All while staying, within certain tolerances, believeable.


If I could only get gamers who were half that creative at lying, I'd be the happiest GM in town...
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 25, 2008, 07:35:10 PM
Yeah, I participated in that thread really early on, as I had a few fucked up gamers in my history as well, but over all, the undercurrent of HATRED in that thread just fucking got to me.  It happens in other threads too.

"Cat Piss Men" - I hate that fucking term, cause I loathe stereotypes and generalizing.  Yes I realize where that loathing comes from - when you try to get "normal" friends into gaming or any geek activity, and you convince them to come along to a game, and the mouth bretahers who haven't bathed in weeks and noisly chew on their 10 cheeseburgers show up, reeking and spewing filth all over the room - yeah, been there done that.

But the amount of dehumanizing that goes on just bugs the fuck right out of me.  That thread is a big ball of nasty.  Its one of the things I've liked about the split with the d20 forum - it allows me to go there to talk games without skimming the scum in TTO.  Not to mention not talk about Exalted in every fucking thread, though I am planning on running a game soon.  :)  Dark side here I come.

But then I don't think White Wolf was trying to destroy fucking gaming either, so hey.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Spike on March 25, 2008, 09:03:08 PM
Well, I'd object more to the term if I hadn't met a few standout members of the gaming community, at least one of whom could make your eyes water from ten feet (no shit).  The owner of the store banned him until he couldn't smell him from outside on the way in (or some other standard of decent cleanliness...)...

So catpissman was just a really great way to describe the foulness of this... gentleman.  

Then there was the guy who had huge (and I mean HUGE) chunks of earwax just hanging out of his ear canals. I mean... think about it, do YOU look at someone's ear canals all that often? How bad does it have to be to actually draw your eyes?!  

Or the 'PTSD' gulf war vet (s... I knew a few) who were all desert ninja of one sort or another, one with a gun he'd keep lying around the other with his nazi memorabilia fetish...

I've met some fucked up examples of humanity, and I don't feel at all guilty calling them on it. Now I just need a good death squad story and I'm set for life.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Blackleaf on March 25, 2008, 09:50:43 PM
Quote from: Spike
Well, I'd object more to the term if I hadn't met a few standout members of the gaming community, at least one of whom could make your eyes water from ten feet (no shit).  The owner of the store banned him until he couldn't smell him from outside on the way in (or some other standard of decent cleanliness...)...


I honestly don't understand how people living in the same society as I do that can be so unaware of common standards for cleaning and dressing yourself.  Do they not notice the other people in the world around them?  Do they not watch TV or Movies?  Did they not have parents and go to school, or have jobs where there are other people?

I don't get it. :confused:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Drew on March 26, 2008, 01:31:36 AM
Quote from: Stuart
I honestly don't understand how people living in the same society as I do that can be so unaware of common standards for cleaning and dressing yourself.  Do they not notice the other people in the world around them?  Do they not watch TV or Movies?  Did they not have parents and go to school, or have jobs where there are other people?

I don't get it. :confused:


Personal neglect on the scale mentioned above isn't something that occurs in isolation. It's usually a symptom of deeper problems, which will vary according to the individual.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 26, 2008, 01:56:03 AM
It comes from not being beaten enough as a child.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Drew on March 26, 2008, 02:16:57 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron
It comes from not being beaten enough as a child.


No, it comes from the excluded middle. :p
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Melan on March 26, 2008, 03:58:35 AM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
Yeah, I participated in that thread really early on, as I had a few fucked up gamers in my history as well, but over all, the undercurrent of HATRED in that thread just fucking got to me.  It happens in other threads too.
...
But the amount of dehumanizing that goes on just bugs the fuck right out of me.

Exactly my sentiment. I sure don't want to stand up for the self-inflicted rejects of human society (although once again, I have to note that the ones I saw weren't gamers), but there is something wrong with talking about people like that. Dehumanising - good phrase; never occured to me but it is accurate to describe the thread.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 26, 2008, 07:22:42 AM
Quote from: J Arcane
"Threatened"?  That's just plain silly.

There is a long running undercurrent of geek hate in the RPGnet forums, has been for a long time, and by and large that thread was mostly about sitting around wanking off about how much more "normal" they were than all those other nasty gamers.  

It's the same kind of geek hate that Matt Snyder has been rambling on about, the same kind of bollocks that has the Forge and Story-Games babble on at length about how to make gaming "normal" or "mainstream".

It's pathetic self-loathing, and it has no place on a site about roleplaying games.


This is the single most repellent thing about rpg.net, and the Indie gaming scene in general.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 26, 2008, 05:25:04 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
This is the single most repellent thing about rpg.net]


Other than your inability to look objectively at your own posting behavior and see how repellant IT is?

Or just blatantly ignore any and every criticism leveled your way?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 26, 2008, 11:42:27 PM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
Other than your inability to look objectively at your own posting behavior and see how repellant IT is?

Or just blatantly ignore any and every criticism leveled your way?

Hmm.

Three options:
1) Jackalope's (presumed) inability to look objectively at his own posting behavior and see how repellent it is, is the most repellent thing about rpg.net.

2) Jackalope's inability to just blatantly ignore any and every criticism leveled his way is the most repellent thing about rpg.net.

3) The long running undercurrent of geek hate in the RPGnet forums is the most repellent thing about rpg.net.

Yeah, I gotta say, and I'm really trying hard to be objective here, but considering my post count on rpg.net stopped in the low 300s, I have trouble believing #1.

Also, I'm pretty sure you didn't mean #2, but rather the opposite of it.  Sadly, you apparently failed English and don't know how to form coherent statements.  Because it is what you actually said.  Even if I do you the favor of correcting for your piss-poor grasp of dependent clauses, we end up with:

2) Jackalope's ability to just blatantly ignore any and every criticism leveled his way is the most repellent thing about rpg.net.

Which I seriously just don't believe.  I really think you're giving me far, far too much credit.

Also, since I was expressing a personal opinion, my statement should be read as:

"The long running undercurrent of geek hate in the RPGnet forums is is the single most repellent thing about rpg.net, and the Indie gaming scene in general, in my opinion."

Or alternately:

"The long running undercurrent of geek hate in the RPGnet forums is is the single most repellent thing about rpg.net, and the Indie gaming scene in general, as far as I'm concerned."

English motherfucker, do you speak it?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on March 26, 2008, 11:46:09 PM
Lopey - you're an amateur.

 I at least got up to 1,700 posts before they banned me over at the big Pink & Purple.


- Ed C.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 26, 2008, 11:52:30 PM
Quote from: Koltar
Lopey - you're an amateur.

 I at least got up to 1,700 posts before they banned me over at the big Pink & Purple.


Totally agree.  I mean seriously, I was barely there.  My occasional bouts of rampant pig-headed stubbornness can't possibly be the most repellent thing about the forum.  I simply wasn't active there long enough to achieve that sort of significance.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: David Johansen on March 27, 2008, 01:07:31 AM
The most repellant thing about rpg.net is that they don't recognize my financial genius and send me money to invest in non-dairy milk substitutes and twinkies.

Anyhow, sometimes I think that the self hating geeks are on rpg.net, the geek hating geeks are on the forge and the geeks who love to hate the geeks they love are here.

We're just too deep and complex for those other geeks...
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 27, 2008, 08:31:28 AM
On the topic of the geek hate at rpg.net, I give you this thread.

Here's how it starts:
Quote from: CyanideBreathmint
This isn't a pity party thread, just some slightly maudlin woolgathering, I guess.

I haven't gamed in over two years. I do read the books, I guess, but the closest I get to gaming is pretty much World of Warcraft and Pokemon. I used to write Exalted fluff like I was getting paid for it, and now I kind of just have no interest in gaming.

Well, except for reading the books.

I'm getting increasingly frustrated and angered by the contents of some posts in more RP parts of the forum, and I'm starting to realize that maybe I might have grown out of the whole "gamer" identification thing, that a shared hobby does not imply anything more or less than just a shared hobby.

The Geek Fallacy Scales have fallen from my eyes. Right now I guess I feel a little strange, like someone who's come out of cryogenic storage and found the world moved on past them. Or maybe I feel like the world looking at the person who hasn't moved on.


And then you get 11 pages of bashing on anyone who identifies as a gamer, and a bunch of "I'm not a gamer, I'm a tangency addict." comments.

rpg.net: Gamers Not Welcome.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ned the Lonely Donkey on March 27, 2008, 08:42:31 AM
Hm, would this have anything to do with you sending abusive emails and PMs to rpg.net users and subsequently being permabanned? The man on the street needs to know!

Linky for the curious. (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=386266)

Ned
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 27, 2008, 09:08:08 AM
Quote from: Ned the Lonely Donkey
Hm, would this have anything to do with you sending abusive emails and PMs to rpg.net users and subsequently being permabanned? The man on the street needs to know!

Linky for the curious. (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=386266)

Ned


They started it.  They singled me out for harassment and differential treatment, simply because I wouldn't kiss their ass.  Not a single person I "abused" didn't come at me first.  There are no innocents, and I'm never going to feel guilty for fucking with a bunch of elitist pricks.

But no, the above was just to illustrate what rpg.net is really about.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Serious Paul on March 27, 2008, 09:12:03 AM
As a man near a street, I could care less. Seriously, I have better shit to do. I have decided to use some of the creepy gamer stories to make NPC's for my D20 Modern Zombie game. I am hoping it will add an element of humour to our April 1st game!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on March 27, 2008, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Jackalope
They started it.  They singled me out for harassment and differential treatment, simply because I wouldn't kiss their ass.  Not a single person I "abused" didn't come at me first.  There are no innocents, and I'm never going to feel guilty for fucking with a bunch of elitist pricks.

But no, the above was just to illustrate what rpg.net is really about.



Yes, they might be elitist - but you did yourself in on there from what it appears.

There are a few people on here that lasted much longer on there and were banned for far more interesting reasons.


- Ed C.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: KenHR on March 27, 2008, 11:47:23 AM
Quote from: Ned the Lonely Donkey
Hm, would this have anything to do with you sending abusive emails and PMs to rpg.net users and subsequently being permabanned? The man on the street needs to know!

Linky for the curious. (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=386266)

Ned


Holy shit, that's creeped out as all fuck.

That's even creepier than Koltar or Nox.  And they're both really creepy.

It's almost worse than the people here who wear their RPG.net bannings proudly on their sleeves.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: One Horse Town on March 27, 2008, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: KenHR
Holy shit, that's creeped out as all fuck.

That's even creepier than Koltar or Nox.  And they're both really creepy.

It's almost worse than the people here who wear their RPG.net bannings proudly on their sleeves.


I'm reminded of a Blazing Saddles quote - "We'll take the chinks, the scotch, the negroes and the spics. But we're not taking the Irish!"
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: KenHR on March 27, 2008, 12:13:02 PM
No way, this is TheRPGSite.  Everyone gets to post here, and that's why it's my favorite board.  Koltar, Jackalope, and anyone else all give this place its unique charm.  And I'm not immune to being a dick or an idiot, either. :)

Just commenting on the specific incident.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: One Horse Town on March 27, 2008, 12:17:06 PM
I actually meant it. :pundit:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 27, 2008, 01:12:21 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town
I actually meant it. :pundit:
Yeah...where are all the Irish posters here? :shrug:

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Blackleaf on March 27, 2008, 01:45:15 PM
I'm part Irish.  Wanna fight about it?

:haw:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: One Horse Town on March 27, 2008, 01:48:32 PM
Quote from: Stuart
I'm part Irish.  Wanna fight about it?

:haw:


'Course you are. Bet you haven't kissed the blarney stone.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 27, 2008, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: Koltar
Yes, they might be elitist - but you did yourself in on there from what it appears.

No, they banned me over some absolutely ridiculous bullshit.  They banned me for an offhand comment about the way the women on that forum use social ostracization as a tactic to avoid criticism (which I can give you tons of evidence for, if you like).

The banned me for making a group attack on women, when in fact all I did was say something about the women on that forum that is an unpleasant truth.  So, in response, I made a real group attack on the women on that forum.  And I played crazy (it's amazing how easy it is to convince people you're nuts BY TAPPING THE CAPS LOCK KEY and doing your best Sam Kinison...) and provoke some rather silly overreaction from them.  Like canceling a meet-up I had no intention of going to, didn't know the location of, and (if I remember the date correctly) was scheduled for a night I'm working.  You'd think the fact that I threatened them with a bucket of dog poo would have made someone stop and think "Wait, this can't be serious, can it?"

(Though my promise to beat the shit out of Darren if I ever meet him in person is genuine.  His emails to me where so full of arrogant, condescending bullshit that dude has a serious schedule with my fist.)

I mean, yes, obviously I'm a huge jerk for messing with them like that, and I'd probably be the better person if I just walked away, but the sort of passive-aggressive moderator-bullying that goes on there really offends me on a deep level.  It just sticks in my craw.  And due to my work schedule, I'm up late til the early hours of the morning, and I was bored as hell (internet forums are my only real source of entertainment after 2 am, when TV is nothing but infomercials (not that TV is generally enough to entertain me anyways)).

There was no point in me trying to stay on their good side, not when that site is set up as the personal playground of the mods.   The other users, friends of the mods and what not, were given carte blanche to harass and bother me, to make snide little passive-aggressive comments and their obnoxious "tut tut! badwrongthought!" bullshit, which leads to an extremely hostile environment, and that combined with the mods obviously having in out for me -- I used the word tyranny to describe their behavior (because it means unjust, arbitrary and oppressive, a description justified by Stephenlas's comment that the mods do intentionally promote a "culture of fear [of the mods]") and the next day every one of the mods had changed their tag to read "[Something] Like Tyranny." -- made me realize that they just revel in their own bullshit, so there was no point in waiting out my month banning.

I'd understand them banning me if I'd actually, I dunno, attacked anyone, but when you define even the most mild criticism from one user as a "group attack," and blithely ignore far more troubling statements from more established users (or hell, even less established users like Flanel (see below) because ou're too busy getting your jollies fucking with a user to do your damn job), you create an environment where it's impossible to have genuine intelligent discussion.  And you create an environment I want nothing to do with.

It's going to be very easy for people to pretend that they banned me for everything that happened after I got banned, and if you read through some of the threads in Trouble Tickets there's a lot of post hoc justification going on.  The only sad part is that no one there is going to learn a damn thing.  

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There are a few people on here that lasted much longer on there and were banned for far more interesting reasons.

That's a big part of why I'm so irked by my banning.  I got warned and threatened with banning when I called people who make mountains out of molehills for political purposes lazy and obnoxious.  Then I got banned for saying I think modern religions are devoid of spirituality.  Then I got banned for saying that the women on the forum use social games rather than logic and argument to deal with criticism of their ideas.

That's so banal.  It's just sad that I could get banned for such trivial and slight comments.

Meanwhile, you've got this guy Flannel who is obviously stirring up shit and trolling.  First he starts the women gamers thread, which is basically like "Let's indulge in stereotypes!" Now he's created a thread where his starting premise is "People who cross-play gender are creepy."

And where are the mods?  Asleep at the wheel.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 27, 2008, 03:21:05 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
You'd think the fact that I threatened them with a bucket of dog poo would have made someone stop and think "Wait, this can't be serious, can it?"
Actually, the Internet is so brimming-over with crazy, if someone pointed out that he had a grudge and was within easy driving distance of someone, it'd be wise to take it seriously.  That e-mail that was quoted was full of all manner of crazy.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on March 27, 2008, 03:22:58 PM
Would the British posters on this webforum do me the courtesy of confirming that a thread lambasting "creepy gamer" stories having itself become host to a "creepy gamer" story all it's own is, indeed, ironic?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: One Horse Town on March 27, 2008, 03:26:40 PM
Quote from: J Arcane
Would the British posters on this webforum do me the courtesy of confirming that a thread lambasting "creepy gamer" stories having itself become host to a "creepy gamer" story all it's own is, indeed, ironic?


More than it raining on your wedding day.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: StormBringer on March 27, 2008, 03:27:11 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
I mean, yes, obviously I'm a huge jerk for messing with them like that, and I'd probably be the better person if I just walked away, but the sort of passive-aggressive moderator-bullying that goes on there really offends me on a deep level. It just sticks in my craw. And due to my work schedule, I'm up late til the early hours of the morning, and I was bored as hell (internet forums are my only real source of entertainment after 2 am, when TV is nothing but infomercials (not that TV is generally enough to entertain me anyways)).
Yeah, but you know what?  Now legitimate complaints against the moderation are screwed for a number of months, because they are the heroes for plugging the hole against another Intarweb nutjob.

Since I was about to lodge one of those legitimate complaints, you have totally screwed that.  And several other people's as well.

But at least you got your point across.  And screwed the rest of us in the process.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 27, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town
More than it raining on your wedding day.
Holy crap.  Is that a wry, gratuitous Alanis Morissette reference? You bastard.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 27, 2008, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: StormBringer
Yeah, but you know what?  Now legitimate complaints against the moderation are screwed for a number of months, because they are the heroes for plugging the hole against another Intarweb nutjob.


Dude, legitimate complaints about the moderators were screwed long before I showed up.  I didn't make the admins over there immune to reason, and I didn't create the legions of bootlickers that tell them their every decision is the right one.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: One Horse Town on March 27, 2008, 03:39:14 PM
Quote from: Ian Absentia
Holy crap.  Is that a wry, gratuitous Alanis Morissette reference? You bastard.

!i!


Hang on! I've got to get a knife. Shit, there's only 10,000 spoons! :haw:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 27, 2008, 03:42:38 PM
Quote from: Ian Absentia
Actually, the Internet is so brimming-over with crazy, if someone pointed out that he had a grudge and was within easy driving distance of someone, it'd be wise to take it seriously.  That e-mail that was quoted was full of all manner of crazy.


Well, that was the whole point.  I posted that because I knew the mods would be all over it, and wave it around and make a big deal of it.

I'm kinda hope they do report me to the police.  That'll be hilarious.

"Actually officer, after several contentious arguments with them, they took a big crap on me and I fired off a few angry emails to those concerned.  I think I said I was going to fling dog poop at them.  End of story."

"Oh, alright then.  Stay out of trouble."

"Will do, officer."

Those idiots must think the police don't have real work to do.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: StormBringer on March 27, 2008, 04:07:35 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
Dude, legitimate complaints about the moderators were screwed long before I showed up.  I didn't make the admins over there immune to reason, and I didn't create the legions of bootlickers that tell them their every decision is the right one.
That isn't the point.  This isn't a single battle that will decide everything.  Good Lord, your self serving agenda has made them larger than life.  You even had a few people who said your complaint was valid!

And you wrecked it all.  I had email that I was banned on one moderator's recognizance.  That stated for a fact they don't moderate based on reported posts.  That was the starting point that El Moderatore or El Administratore for life is a bad idea and needs to be changed.

Your self serving actions have added to their authourity.  And all I have is a permanent forum ban to show for it.

Thank you very fucking much.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 27, 2008, 04:07:44 PM
Jackalope, I've been there years, posted lots of stupid shit, and I've never been banned.

Ya got what you deserved. Communicating threats of any sort is beyond stupid.

*shakes head* And I never thought I'd have an IL here...
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: StormBringer on March 27, 2008, 04:08:25 PM
Quote from: One Horse Town
Hang on! I've got to get a knife. Shit, there's only 10,000 spoons! :haw:
Can I borrow one?  I have a fly in my chardonnay.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 27, 2008, 04:33:45 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
I'm kinda hope they do report me to the police.  That'll be hilarious.

"Actually officer, after several contentious arguments with them, they took a big crap on me and I fired off a few angry emails to those concerned.  I think I said I was going to fling dog poop at them.  End of story."
Only your e-mail (http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=8653043&postcount=3) wasn't that innocent, innocuous, or hilarious, was it?
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You and all your pathetic friends are morally repugnant retards.

You go tell them that.

You all act like you're oh so fucking civilized, but the truth is you're hypocrites. You're mean, bullying jerks who team up and malign and mistreat others, and then when they get angry at you for being harassed and mistreated, you blame them and say they are dangerous.

I'm not dangerous. I'M FUCKING SICK OF LYING MANIPULATIVE WHORES LIKE YOU PRETENDING YOU ARE GOOD, DECENT PEOPLE, WHEN ALL YOU DO IS NEEDLE AND PROVOKE AND HARASS PEOPLE UNTIL THEY LOSE THEIR TEMPER.

You're a bunch of fucking pigs.

I know when your fucking meeting is. I'm going to be there, and I'm bring a BUCKET OF SHIT. My dog produces tons of it. Let's find out if I can make it into the restaurant, DUMP IN ON YOUR FUCKING HEAD, and get out fast enough. I think i can. Maybe I'll wait for you in the parking lot.

You fucking bitches, you sat there needling me and needling me, you [identifying information deleted], manipulating people against me, working to ostracize me BECAUSE YOUR TOO FUCKING COWARDLY A PERSON TO EVER BACK UP ANY OF THE CRAP YOU SPEW.

YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING FASCISTS. YOU ARE HUMAN EXCREMENT, AND IF THERE IS ANY FUCKING JUSTICE IN THE WORLD YOU WILL BE MADE TO PAY.

You think you're so fucking special, so fucking ELITE, that you can treat other people like garbage, piss on them, shit on their heads, that you have this fucking DIVINE RIGHT.

Guess what bitch! You plant the seeds of hate, you make other angry for your own amusement, and YOU WILL REAP WHAT YOU HAVE SOWN.

KARMA BITCHES. IT'S COMING FOR YOU.

I have had ENOUGH of shallow, elitist FUCKWADS making me miserable for their amusement. The day will come when every single fucking one of you learns the error of your ways, and learns that being decent to other people is not a fucking game of LET'S PRETEND. You hurt others, you deserve to be hurt in return.
Like I said up-thread: All manner of crazy.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Drew on March 27, 2008, 05:04:38 PM
Quote from: Ian Absentia
?Like I said up-thread: All manner of crazy.


Good grief yes.

"Aw, but I was only kidding!" doesn't really cut it when you threaten people like that.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: StormBringer on March 27, 2008, 05:06:16 PM
Can we stop talking about him and focus on my thwarted plans?

I mean, seriously.

:)
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: KenHR on March 27, 2008, 05:29:03 PM
We can at least welcome you to the site, StormBringer!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Spike on March 27, 2008, 05:32:22 PM
Quote from: Jackalope


Meanwhile, you've got this guy Flannel who is obviously stirring up shit and trolling.  First he starts the women gamers thread, which is basically like "Let's indulge in stereotypes!" Now he's created a thread where his starting premise is "People who cross-play gender are creepy."

And where are the mods?  Asleep at the wheel.



I could see how that might offend you, Sarah...
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: StormBringer on March 27, 2008, 05:41:51 PM
Quote from: KenHR
We can at least welcome you to the site, StormBringer!
Finally, some recognition!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 27, 2008, 06:18:03 PM
Quote from: StormBringer
Finally, some recognition!
I thought you were here all along.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Acta Est Fabula on March 27, 2008, 06:21:14 PM
Quote from: J Arcane


Tangency eats it the fuck up, of course, and no one dares question her lunacy to her face, because that would of course interfere with the "emotionally safe environment".


Two people called her on it, if I recall correctly.  It was a couple of years ago, but on different occassions.  All I know was that one person's name started with an O and the other an S.  Both people were the bad guys for picking on Bulletproof.

I do get bothered by it, because in a lot of cases, a person is genuinely posting a post asking for vibes, but they are quickly overshadowed by her by the second page.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: StormBringer on March 27, 2008, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: Ian Absentia
I thought you were here all along.

!i!
Yeah, weird, isn't it?

:)
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: David R on March 27, 2008, 07:55:43 PM
I realize we are supposed to welcome the Banned here with open arms and moist kisses, but honestly I think the Mods call to ban Jackalope was a good thing. It takes a special kind of twee to be banned for whining - offhand or not -"that the girls won't talk to me because of unpleaseant things said" and then pretending (or so he says) to go apeshit to seal the deal.

Regards,
David R
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 27, 2008, 08:02:22 PM
It's funny, really. The way this place is run, I expect Jackie here to be banned within a week.

An' that's saying something.

Also, I'm confused...I did think StormBringer was already here. Maybe I need some of BP's meds? :confused:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on March 27, 2008, 08:21:11 PM
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I do get bothered by it, because in a lot of cases, a person is genuinely posting a post asking for vibes, but they are quickly overshadowed by her by the second page.

Exactly.  It's parasitic behavior.  

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I realize we are supposed to welcome the Banned here with open arms and moist kisses, but honestly I think the Mods call to ban Jackalope was a good thing. It takes a special kind of twee to be banned for whining - offhand or not -"that the girls won't talk to me because of unpleaseant things said" and then pretending (or so he says) to go apeshit to seal the deal.

Yanno, it occured to me earlier as a passing fancy, if Pundit wanted to prove once and for all that this site was more than just a haven for banned TBP posters, banning this creepy fucker would be a perfect place to start.

Letting a stalker who actually threatened real life intervention against TBP members about makes us all look bad.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 27, 2008, 08:50:15 PM
Quote from: KenHR
Holy shit, that's creeped out as all fuck.

That's even creepier than Koltar or Nox.  And they're both really creepy.
It's only right that a thread about the creepy gamer threads on rpg.net should have a poster who is himself a creepy gamer. :cool: Ironic, as J_Arcane said. Beautiful, beautiful irony.

Or perhaps just a fuckstick, a typical Internet Tough Guy. Every time I've managed to track down a picture of anyone making threats online, he - it's always a bloke - turned out to be obese.

Which is funny, because in real life a lot of skinny guys are really quick to anger and start threatening you. But online, the aggro ones are the lard-arses.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 27, 2008, 09:09:23 PM
Someone on Tang had found the guy's addy, but removed it after posting to keep RPGnet from being possibly sued. So if there's an image out there, it's findable.

I just don't care to see another fat slovenly stereotype.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Acta Est Fabula on March 27, 2008, 09:42:12 PM
To Stormbringer's point, valid concerns about MOD behavior will now be even more challenging to put forth.  I too had had  PM discussion with a MOD that ended with the result of, "I like X, so that's the way it is.  And I'm done with this conversation."

The conversation was in regards to clear inequitable treatment of various threads of similar subjects, where bashing was allowed in one thread, and anything of a dissenting opinion (no bashing involved) was quickly warned and threatened with immediate banning even without the warning.

Good luck trying to bring that up to the admins without being just another "Jackalope".
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: J Arcane on March 27, 2008, 09:50:53 PM
Dude, trust me, the moment you bring up any criticism of the moderation there, no matter how diplomatically or carefully stated, no matter the motive, you're branded a trouble maker for the rest of your tenure.

Give it up.  You won't change shit, unless you're sleeping with one of them.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 27, 2008, 09:54:23 PM
As much as I hate to say it, mods are people. Some have thin skin, some have sense.

tbP has the thin-skin types. Stuff that would piss 'em off that they'd have no power to fix IRL is taken care of with ham-fisted rage. Their friends are safe, enemies are banned.

Here, you can act like an idiot, and the rest of the board will call you on it. The mod style here is more of a loose rein - go where ya want, but act like a decent person, please.

Frex, posting porn would get me in trouble, but calling poster X* a stupid commie shithead would just get me called a fuckwad nazi in response :) Strangely, all the stories I heard that here is intolerant of gays and liberal thoughts is bullshit.



*Working under the assumption there is no poster here names "poster X"

ETA: I think I even insulted Pundit, and I'm still here. Not likely on tbP...
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Acta Est Fabula on March 27, 2008, 09:56:51 PM
Quote from: J Arcane
Dude, trust me, the moment you bring up any criticism of the moderation there, no matter how diplomatically or carefully stated, no matter the motive, you're branded a trouble maker for the rest of your tenure.

Give it up.  You won't change shit, unless you're sleeping with one of them.



Honestly, I haven't had a problem with a majority of the moderation.  Sure, there are things that I haven't agreed with, but that's true of every board.  It was just this one case of clear immediate vitriol that threw me for a loop.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on March 27, 2008, 09:58:47 PM
Poster X?

 Yeah we don't talk about him any more .
 Name was stricken from the records and everything.
Think the final incident involved a pink d20 , a discoball and rabid Ron worshipping monkeys who drank too much scotch.


- Ed C.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Anemone on March 27, 2008, 10:08:17 PM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron
Or perhaps just a fuckstick, a typical Internet Tough Guy. Every time I've managed to track down a picture of anyone making threats online, he - it's always a bloke - turned out to be obese.

Nope.  He looks perfectly normal, no obvious visual clues to a walking flame war.  We've met a couple of times, and I was very surprised to see him melt down on two different forums, and heading for a third.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Acta Est Fabula on March 27, 2008, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: Anemone
Nope.  He looks perfectly normal, no obvious visual clues to a walking flame war.  We've met a couple of times, and I was very surprised to see him melt down on two different forums, and heading for a third.


My experience is that people are much more pleasant outside of an internet personality.

For some reason the internet draws out the crazy in a lot of folks.  Perhaps it's the sense of security being behind a faceless wall.  Who knows.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 27, 2008, 10:53:55 PM
Quote from: Koltar
Poster X?

 Yeah we don't talk about him any more .
 Name was stricken from the records and everything.
Think the final incident involved a pink d20 , a discoball and rabid Ron worshipping monkeys who drank too much scotch.


- Ed C.
So using him was ok then. :D
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 27, 2008, 10:55:24 PM
Quote from: Anemone
Nope.  He looks perfectly normal, no obvious visual clues to a walking flame war.  We've met a couple of times, and I was very surprised to see him melt down on two different forums, and heading for a third.
Really? Oh well, he probably just needs to have a beer and a good wank to relax him.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 28, 2008, 02:55:39 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron
Really? Oh well, he probably just needs to have a beer and a good wank to relax him.

I want to smoke a bowl of the good Seattle chronic.  I have this asinine drug test coming up, and haven't had a chance to get properly relaxed in weeks.

Anyways, I'm not going to respond to the judgments and what not.  I don't actually have to defend my behavior to anyone, and I'm pretty burned out on petty internet scolds.

I just want to link to this comment from Tyger Tyger (http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=8657823&postcount=24).  Since we all know the rpg.netters are reading this thread, and anything I say here becomes known there, I just want to point out that she's attention/pity/something whoring.  I never emailed her.  She just wishes she was part of the clique so bad that she's saying I did.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 28, 2008, 03:09:00 AM
Oh, you smoke the wacky weed, eh? That shit makes you crazy. I lived with a guy who was a chronic smoker of it, every morning he woke up very angry, every evening after work he'd toke up and be serene like some kind of fucking Dalai Lama.

Being banned from forums because that shit's making you crazy is the least of the problems you get from it. I mean, you end up without a game group!

Oh and... attention junkies on rpg.net? Nothing new there. They congregate there because nobody's allowed to mock them.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 28, 2008, 03:37:52 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron
Oh, you smoke the wacky weed, eh? That shit makes you crazy. I lived with a guy who was a chronic smoker of it, every morning he woke up very angry, every evening after work he'd toke up and be serene like some kind of fucking Dalai Lama.


Did you just invoke the spectre of Reefer Madness?  I've never actually had anyone pull that on me before.  That's kinda awesome.

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Being banned from forums because that shit's making you crazy is the least of the problems you get from it. I mean, you end up without a game group!


...but everyone in my group smokes.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Melan on March 28, 2008, 03:59:13 AM
All I've got to say is, TheRPGSite welcomes banned RPGNet users, but it most definitely doesn't welcome Tangency rejects. Gid' out the tar and feathers, boys. :pundit:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 28, 2008, 04:41:01 AM
Quote from: Jackalope
Did you just invoke the spectre of Reefer Madness?  I've never actually had anyone pull that on me before.  That's kinda awesome.
Well... I've seen a few crazy fuckers whose crazy behaviour exactly matched whether or not they'd been toking up.

And then we're told that you're melting down on a few forums, abusing everyone, and also told that you've not been toking up recently.

In my experience, heavy users who stop for a bit get crazy and aggro.

So it all matches up. Doesn't happen to everyone, some people smoke for years and aren't troubled, just like some people smoke a pack a day of tobacco smokes for forty years and don't get lung cancer; but it happens to enough people to have a ring of familiarity here.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 28, 2008, 06:41:28 AM
Quote from: Jackalope


Also, I'm pretty sure you didn't mean #2, but rather the opposite of it.  Sadly, you apparently failed English and don't know how to form coherent statements.  Because it is what you actually said.  Even if I do you the favor of correcting for your piss-poor grasp of dependent clauses, we end up with:


Or, when I'm publishing to an informal internet message board in a non-professional way, I could give two shits about grammar and spelling.  Cause its just shooting the shit amongst aquaintances.


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English motherfucker, do you speak it?


Reality, dipshit.  Do you live in it?

Picking apart grammar on the internet during an arguement is the refuge of someone who a) has nothing else intelligent to say and b) has no defense for themselves, their arguement or their actions, and is just looking to turn the criticism back the other way.

You're a fuckheaded little troll who just lives to stir shit up.  You're the most ignorant and pissheaded poster I've run across on tBP, and I can only hope Pundy looks at your history on there, even despite his hate (violently threatening posters he disagrees with) and sees that having you here serves zero purpose, and the exact same thing is going to happen, and decides the trouble and board disruption won't be worth it.  You're already getting up to your same shit here.

But I know he won't because if theres one thing Pundy hates, its modding.

But its all going to go down the same way.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 28, 2008, 06:50:06 AM
Quote from: Jackalope
Dude, legitimate complaints about the moderators were screwed long before I showed up.  I didn't make the admins over there immune to reason, and I didn't create the legions of bootlickers that tell them their every decision is the right one.


This is where you are completely worng.  There have been, several times, admission of mistakes, reducing or eliminating bans altogether, people (other than Curt) allowed back in after a lengthy ban, etc etc.

The mod staff there is COMPLETELY open to reason and will admit to handling things in a less than perfect way if you approach them LOGICALLY.

What you fail to see is you didn't do that.  You acted like a trailer park meth addict caught by the cops for drunk driving in Knoxville and filmed for "COPS".  NOONE is going to take you seriously in that respect, not even Pundy.  ESPECIALLY not Pundy, whose tolerance for stupid isn't long, though he can tolerate it enough without banning.

Your "rage against the machine" is the stupidest thing ever, cause you assured what the reaction would be.  Plus, again, its a private internet website - they can run it any way they wish.  There is no obligation by them to run it any other way, your ridiculous and hyperbolic points to the opposite included.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 28, 2008, 06:51:37 AM
Quote from: StormBringer
That isn't the point.  This isn't a single battle that will decide everything.  Good Lord, your self serving agenda has made them larger than life.  You even had a few people who said your complaint was valid!

And you wrecked it all.  I had email that I was banned on one moderator's recognizance.  That stated for a fact they don't moderate based on reported posts.  That was the starting point that El Moderatore or El Administratore for life is a bad idea and needs to be changed.

Your self serving actions have added to their authourity.  And all I have is a permanent forum ban to show for it.

Thank you very fucking much.


One that you deserved, and Jackalope did nothing to have you incur, your own actions did that for you.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 28, 2008, 07:09:58 AM
We also have this little wonderful piece of shittastic evidence of how fucked up this guy is:

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The saddest part is that you stupid, dumb fucks don't know shit about how to really fuck with people.

Look at you fucking idiots, with your "Mods Like Tyranny", "Sounds Like Tyranny", "Tastes like tyranny" fucking bullshit.

Every single fucking one of you is running around reveling in your role as tyrannts. THANKS TO ME. I wanted to prove you were a bunch of power tripping fuckwads, and you played right into my hands.

I even got you dumb shitheads to cancel a meet-up on a night I'm working. All those stupid fucking assholes are going to run around and have to reschedule their fucking little masturbation party. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.

Whose got the power now, huh bitch? I say JUMP, you say HOW HIGH!

All you bitches are going to have to lock your journals and hide now. I can keep this up forever. I've got multiple ISPs, I've already got multiple puppets on rpg.net. It's just a matter of fucking time till I strike again.

I work night, I'm up til four in the morning every night, and I got nothing better to do during those hours than MAKE YOUR LIVES HELL. You're going to wish you never heard the word "moderation." I'm going to leanr you something good about abuse of power.

Better start a purge, better start cracking down on everyone on rpg.net, that's the only way you'll find all of me. And I'll STILL be able to enjoy the forums, and find out when you reschedule the meet-ups. Because I have dozens of ways to get at you. I've got ISPs I can bounce off of, and you'll never be able to stop me.

I'm going to all of you motherfuckers a lesson. You think you're all such hot shit, a bunch of fucking pansy ass cowards who think you're so fucking 'LEET just because you mod a stupid fucking board. We could have gotten along, we could have had peace. BUT YOU WANTED WAR AND NOW YOU'VE GOT IT.

You're going learn something about fucking with people. You're going to learn that it has consequences.


So whats going to happen now, dirtbag?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ned the Lonely Donkey on March 28, 2008, 07:19:57 AM
God, the squeeky-voiced nerd rage is making my ears ring. Everybody toke a bowl and chillax!

BoJo
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: droog on March 28, 2008, 07:35:06 AM
(http://www.postercheckout.com/PrintImages/PYR/jpgs/ST1961.jpg)

So Jah sey!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ned the Lonely Donkey on March 28, 2008, 07:37:11 AM
O boy, that guy! I tell ya, the guy missed one bowl and he was shooting off emails threatening to dump dog shit all over Lee Scratch Perry!

BoJo
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Melan on March 28, 2008, 08:29:32 AM
Nothing like juvenile, childish temper tantrums, eh.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Consonant Dude on March 28, 2008, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: J Arcane

Yanno, it occured to me earlier as a passing fancy, if Pundit wanted to prove once and for all that this site was more than just a haven for banned TBP posters, banning this creepy fucker would be a perfect place to start.

Letting a stalker who actually threatened real life intervention against TBP members about makes us all look bad.


I would definitely feel better if theRPGsite made a stand like that. I'm a bit tired to see assholes make this site their home and it does reflect badly on us.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Consonant Dude on March 28, 2008, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: KenHR

That's even creepier than Koltar or Nox.  And they're both really creepy.


Fuck yes.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 28, 2008, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
:fap: :fap: :fap: :fap:


:rolleyes:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 28, 2008, 05:02:56 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
:rolleyes:


Well, admitting you have a masturbating problem is the first step to recovery.

Sadly, given your stated positions on women, its highly unlikely you will ever get them IN any position, thus perpetuating the fap-fantasies.

But, admitting you have a problem is important, and don't let your complete and utter failure to relate to other human beings, especially females, stop you from trying!  You can do it!  I believe in you!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 28, 2008, 05:06:02 PM
The other funny thing is this guy is dumb enough not to know that Washington has cyber-stalking laws, so yes, the reporting his threats to the police likely WOULD be taken seriously.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Werekoala on March 28, 2008, 09:46:08 PM
Quote from: Ian Absentia
Yeah...where are all the Irish posters here? :shrug:



German-Irish here - that means my idea of a good weekend is to get drunk and invade small countries. :P
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on March 28, 2008, 09:52:15 PM
More than 50% Norwegian in my family background. (mother's side)

 Dad said his family was mostly bastards from all over Europe - so its a bit murky on that part of the family tree.


- Ed C.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Acta Est Fabula on March 28, 2008, 10:26:44 PM
Quote from: Werekoala
German-Irish here - that means my idea of a good weekend is to get drunk and invade small countries. :P


Ah, see, I'm German/Dutch.  That means I would go invade a country if I didn't get stoned and forget about it.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Thanatos02 on March 28, 2008, 11:21:02 PM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
The other funny thing is this guy is dumb enough not to know that Washington has cyber-stalking laws, so yes, the reporting his threats to the police likely WOULD be taken seriously.

It's a lot of trouble to go through, but it might be worth it. Imagine the surprise, right?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 29, 2008, 12:16:23 AM
Quote from: Thanatos02
It's a lot of trouble to go through, but it might be worth it. Imagine the surprise, right?
Yeah, it'd be "hilarious". But I rather think the public pillory he's getting everywhere he goes is sufficient.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 29, 2008, 01:19:18 AM
Quote from: Ian Absentia
Yeah, it'd be "hilarious". But I rather think the public pillory he's getting everywhere he goes is sufficient.

!i!
I'm enjoying it :D
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 29, 2008, 04:59:03 AM
Serious question:

What emotional reward to those who play internet scold get for doing so?  Thos eof you who wish to see me banned for the crime of being a dick, what's in it for you?  Plenty of people are dicks.  From my perspective, those of you pillorying me and enjoying seeing me pilloried are dicks.

But I don't want to see you banned from the internet.  I get no pleasure in that, just as I take no pleasure in watching groups of people gang up on others.  In fact, watching it makes me slightly ill.

What does Hackmastergeneral, and Cyth, and those calling me "creepier than Koltar" get from attacking me with their comments?  We all know that these comments aren't going to affect my behavior, except perhaps to make me take a piss at hackmastergeneral (who, by the way, is pathetically inept at it.  A wit you are not.) and others.  So what's the point?  Why do it at all?  It solves nothing, nothing good comes of it.  So why do it?  It seems very...pathetic to me.  Especially the fake legal scholars who have deluded themselves into thinking a few messages sent over the course of a few hours qualifies as "stalking."  I mean, really, you guys have no idea what you're talking about at all.

All these people have claimed they're going to report me to all these authorities.  Yet, I've heard nothing from any authority figures.  So either those people are blowing hot air, or the authorities have ignored them like they ignore most people who try to manipulate them into harassing people.  Do you people understand how often the authorites see that?  Those who I attacked started shit with me.  If they report me, they're either going to have to hide their part in it -- and the authorities will make note of that, because they'll note that my comments make it clear that there is an exchange of hostilities at play, and the authorities will immediately question -- or they will have to show the whole story...which is going to lead those authorities to write them off as the kind of hypocritical hypersensitive assholes who are constantly trying to manipulate them into getting revenge on others.

Let me tell you about the last time I dealt with the police.  I had just beaten the shit out of this guy Brett.  He'd come to my house as a guest for a party, we'd been drinking gin, and I had just broken up with my girlfriend.  He started making comments about our breakup, talking about his love with his "girlfriend" (a woman in Thailand he only knew over the internet) was more real than the love I felt for my ex.  Everyone at the party was shocked, and no one was surprised when I started moving towards him with my fists balled.  My friend Lucas grabbed me and held me back, and Chuck, who had brought Brett with him, told him to leave before a fight broke out.  

I was standing in my kitchen, Lucas was trying to calm me down, when Brett started yelling. He stood on my lawn of my apartment complex screaming "You motherfucker!  I'm going to kill you!" over and over.  Lucas let go of me, and said "Fuck it man, he deserves it."  So I walked outside, headed straight towards Brett, and said "You're going to kill me motherfucker?  Let's see you fucking try!"  he immediately shrank back and tried to run away, but I grabbed him by his collar, and pulled him off his feet.  His collar actually twisted around my fingers and broke my ring finger, but I didn't notice till the next day (yay for gin!).  Once he was on the ground I just landed on him, straddling his chest, pinning his arms to the ground with my knees, and started pounding on his face.  I must have punched him a good twenty or thirty times before Lucas pulled me off.  I was screaming "Come back here and kill me you stupid fuck!" as he got to his feet and ran off.

An hour later there was police officer at my door.  He asked me what happened, I told him the complete and total truth, and you know what he said?  He said "Okay, well, in the future, just stay away from each other."  I asked him if Brett was okay.  he said "No, I don't think so, his face was a real bloody mess.  You beat him up pretty bad."  Of course, brett had told the cop that i beat him up for no reason.  The cop had never believed it for a second, because that never happens  Just like no one is going to believe the mods of rpg.net if they report me and claim they did nothing to provoke me.

No report was filed.  Under the law, it was assault, and in theory I could have gone to jail.  But no cop is going to arrest a guy for being the shit out someone who was screaming "I'll kill you motherfucker!" on his own lawn.  It just ain't going to happen.

Just like nothing is going to come of this, because flipping shit at people who were flipping shit at you is (GASP!) not a crime.

Also, what does shewolf get from watching it?  She (?) "enjoys" it?  I wonder about the psychology behind that.  Three hundred years ago, would shewolf be one of those people who threw tomatoes at the "immoral" people who were placed in stocks in public spaces?

Can anyone answer these question honestly?  Do any of you have the courage to actually examine why you do what you do?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: droog on March 29, 2008, 05:09:26 AM
It makes me forget about death?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 29, 2008, 05:24:50 AM
Quote from: droog
It makes me forget about death?


I'm sorry, I can be a bit dense when it comes to comments like this.

Either this is a mindless sort of brush-off comment, and you're refusing to actually engage the question...or this is a really deep and meaningful comment that may require some unpacking.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: droog on March 29, 2008, 07:54:25 AM
Whatever works for you.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 29, 2008, 09:26:07 AM
Quote from: Jackalope
*snip*


We get none.  If you can't see, in your posts at RPG.net, and here, that you have acted like a monumental jackass, then theres nothing anyone can do for you.

If serious, your posts point to serious mental problems and a serious need for some psychotherapy and at the very least anger management.  

If you were perpetuating a monumentally stupid and elaborate joke - as you claim, then you are a jerk, a troll, and a dick of epic proportions.

I wasn't involved in the women in games thread, but rereading it in passing, it wasn't your statements that really riled people up, but your defense of them.  You just really seem to have no social boundaries whatsoever - in fact, you remind me of many Aspergers cases I've known - no idea about social boundaries, making challenging and controversial statements baldly, and then claiming not to understand the fuss when people get upset and angry, and then coming back on the major defensive when someone, even mildly, questions your statements, and then leaping into full frothing uncontrollable rage when things escalate.  

People react negatively to negative, and when someone is acting like an unfeeling jerk, pretending to be "standing up against the mod-clique" and "oppression of freedom" and then the ever loving "anti-PC"(which RPG.net has seen too many times to be taken seriously), people tend to react to it in the negative, and often mock.  Because its fun.

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All these people have claimed they're going to report me to all these authorities.  Yet, I've heard nothing from any authority figures.  So either those people are blowing hot air, or the authorities have ignored them like they ignore most people who try to manipulate them into harassing people.  Do you people understand how often the authorites see that?  Those who I attacked started shit with me.  If they report me, they're either going to have to hide their part in it -- and the authorities will make note of that, because they'll note that my comments make it clear that there is an exchange of hostilities at play, and the authorities will immediately question -- or they will have to show the whole story...which is going to lead those authorities to write them off as the kind of hypocritical hypersensitive assholes who are constantly trying to manipulate them into getting revenge on others.


You demonstrate a clear lack of understanding on how law works.  Let me give you a hint - making fun of someone on the internet - not a crime.  Threatening physical violence to someone over the internet, tracking people down to personal sites for the purpose of making threats, a crime, and making SERIOUS threats against people and internet sites (i've got hacker buddies, we're gonna shut you down, I can find where you live, and I will make you pay for what you have done) is a crime.  There was mocking and jibing on RPG.net, yes.  You, however, are the one who made physical threats, against both individuals and the website.  You then tracked people down to their livejournals and made MORE threats there.  Direct, non-defensable threats.

YOU.  Take some fucking ownership and stop defending yourself.  You went over the line.  WAY over the line.  Whether that results in any legal problems or not, you crossed the line, took a shit on it, and then wallowed in it, and now when the scent of the shit follows you, you deny you ever rolled in shit, and claim it was roses.  Stop being a child and fucking defending the indefensible.  Grow up, accept responsibility, and move the fuck on.  Accept people are going to have a negative opinion of you, and either work towards fixing it, or just ignore it.

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Let me tell you about the last time I dealt with the police.  I had just beaten the shit out of this guy Brett.  He'd come to my house as a guest for a party, we'd been drinking gin, and I had just broken up with my girlfriend.  He started making comments about our breakup, talking about his love with his "girlfriend" (a woman in Thailand he only knew over the internet) was more real than the love I felt for my ex.  Everyone at the party was shocked, and no one was surprised when I started moving towards him with my fists balled.  My friend Lucas grabbed me and held me back, and Chuck, who had brought Brett with him, told him to leave before a fight broke out.  

I was standing in my kitchen, Lucas was trying to calm me down, when Brett started yelling. He stood on my lawn of my apartment complex screaming "You motherfucker!  I'm going to kill you!" over and over.  Lucas let go of me, and said "Fuck it man, he deserves it."  So I walked outside, headed straight towards Brett, and said "You're going to kill me motherfucker?  Let's see you fucking try!"  he immediately shrank back and tried to run away, but I grabbed him by his collar, and pulled him off his feet.  His collar actually twisted around my fingers and broke my ring finger, but I didn't notice till the next day (yay for gin!).  Once he was on the ground I just landed on him, straddling his chest, pinning his arms to the ground with my knees, and started pounding on his face.  I must have punched him a good twenty or thirty times before Lucas pulled me off.  I was screaming "Come back here and kill me you stupid fuck!" as he got to his feet and ran off.

An hour later there was police officer at my door.  He asked me what happened, I told him the complete and total truth, and you know what he said?  He said "Okay, well, in the future, just stay away from each other."  I asked him if Brett was okay.  he said "No, I don't think so, his face was a real bloody mess.  You beat him up pretty bad."  Of course, brett had told the cop that i beat him up for no reason.  The cop had never believed it for a second, because that never happens  Just like no one is going to believe the mods of rpg.net if they report me and claim they did nothing to provoke me.

No report was filed.  Under the law, it was assault, and in theory I could have gone to jail.  But no cop is going to arrest a guy for being the shit out someone who was screaming "I'll kill you motherfucker!" on his own lawn.  It just ain't going to happen.

Just like nothing is going to come of this, because flipping shit at people who were flipping shit at you is (GASP!) not a crime.


OK, your friend lied to the cops, and was making threats at you.  Being provoked by a threat, while not good, is a mitigating factor.

However, just because one cop lets some drunk kids off with a fight (beatdown, more like it), does not mean EVERY cop is going to do that.  I can point you to countless cases, hell just watch COPS any given weekend, where people get arrested for the EXACT SAME THING.  There is a gulf of difference between these two cases.

Noone at RPG.net made threats at you.  There was some back and forth, and thats fine.  Yes, you got dogpiled, but dude, if you can't see how your actions PRECIPITATED the dogpile, then you have your head shoved so far up your ass you must be able to like the back of your uvula.  Was it right, no.  Was it fair?  Likely not.  But you brought it on.  You then, take the step of threatening very specific physical violence on people, threatening to make the "pay", that you can find out where they live, you will track them down, etc etc.  On at least THREE seperate occasions, and in different media and on different websites.  Dude, this is the ESSENCE of cyber-stalking.  If you cut now and stop, ignore the thing ever happened and just cut your losses with RPG.net and make no more contact with those you have already threatened, then maybe it ends there.

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Also, what does shewolf get from watching it?  She (?) "enjoys" it?  I wonder about the psychology behind that.  Three hundred years ago, would shewolf be one of those people who threw tomatoes at the "immoral" people who were placed in stocks in public spaces?


No, its funny watching someone jump through hoops of dizzying logic to backtrack and defend themselves when they are the agents of their own destruction.  I admit, it is funny.

As for your insults - lo, the master hath spoken.  He who is possessed of more wit than I hath laid me low and shown me the pith of his pithy.  Such am I humbled and such do I dothly prostrate myself beforeth him in awe of his majestyeth and his wiley wit.

A guy who just precipitated the most epic fail banning in the history of RPG.net telling me I am inept in matters wit - well, ok.  Shine on, you crazy diamond.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on March 29, 2008, 10:43:30 AM
Short version: The confrontational thing gets old real fast.



Also :the original creepy gamer stuff has kind of run its course now.

 Is there anway to split the "Jackalope arguing with people" part of this thread into a new thread?



- Ed C.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 29, 2008, 12:24:48 PM
I dunno, Koltar - a random internet guy threatening to beat people up from the safety of his parents' basement because he's gone a few days without a toke - that really fits in with the Creepy Gamer thread.

It's like we summoned one.

Hastur-hastur-hast- what?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 29, 2008, 01:28:07 PM
Wow. Big guy administers a drunken beat down.

I forget...should my response be to throw myself at him and beg for his manly babies, or just give him a manly beatdown? :confused: :rolleyes:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 29, 2008, 02:01:00 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
Can anyone answer these question honestly?
Sure.  In the intangible world of the Internet, public humiliation is the only real recourse for unwanted behavior.  Well, there's site-banning, too, and you've gotten your share of that elsewhere.

The fact that you, or anyone else, commit your words to print makes the impact significantly harsher.  It's not like heated words that are exchanged, then fade with the breeze.  You can keep coming back to these and stew and stew until your reaction grows out of proportion with the words exchanged.  They can also follow you from one place to another, verbatim, just like they did here.

Then there's the simian spectacle of hooting from the sidelines at a beat-down, whether it's first-hand or vicarious.  Throw yourself out there as a victim, and you're practically begging for a gang of chimps to start screaming and slapping you.

So, too bad you hung yourself out there as a target.  But the more you complain and try to defend yourself, the more ridicule you're going to bring down.  The best options? Either suck it up, or take a break from posting. The other option?  Around these parts?  Try doing a search on "Dominus Nox".  The search engine actually works here.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: HinterWelt on March 29, 2008, 02:08:17 PM
Quote from: shewolf
Wow. Big guy administers a drunken beat down.

I forget...should my response be to throw myself at him and beg for his manly babies, or just give him a manly beatdown? :confused: :rolleyes:

I thought you already had manly babies....?

Bill
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 29, 2008, 02:39:13 PM
Well, my guy never went for the violence first option, so obviously Jackie here is a much bigger man. Obviously my boys are all gonna be girly-men. ;)

I think I'll go for the beaten like a man beatdown. More fun, more redneck. I have an image to maintain, after all! :D
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Cthy on March 29, 2008, 02:50:11 PM
The only way to be sure is to do both...whichever order you want.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 29, 2008, 02:53:06 PM
So, basically, more or less everyone refuses to examine their own behavior.

:rolleyes:

I get so tired of being told I'm a dick (which I've known for a long, long time) by people completely unaware of their own dickishness.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 29, 2008, 03:05:38 PM
Dude, of all the places on the Internet that I can think of, I don't think I've ever come across a place where more people admit when they're being assholes than here. Get over yourself.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Acta Est Fabula on March 29, 2008, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Jackalope


I get so tired of being told I'm a dick (which I've known for a long, long time) .


Well, that should tell you something then, shouldn't it?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 29, 2008, 04:14:23 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
So, basically, more or less everyone refuses to examine their own behavior.

:rolleyes:

I get so tired of being told I'm a dick (which I've known for a long, long time) by people completely unaware of their own dickishness.


"I don't want to respond to intelligent posts with discussion, I just want to whaa whaa whaa all the way home"

I wrote what I thought a very undickish response to your question, at leats until the end.  Which I intended to be dickish.

But whatever dude.  You're right its EVERYBODY ELSE who is the problem...
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Stephenls on March 29, 2008, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: Ian Absentia
Dude, of all the places on the Internet that I can think of, I don't think I've ever come across a place where more people admit when they're being assholes than here.

/b/
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: jeff37923 on March 29, 2008, 04:55:52 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
So, basically, more or less everyone refuses to examine their own behavior.

:rolleyes:

I get so tired of being told I'm a dick (which I've known for a long, long time) by people completely unaware of their own dickishness.


Buddy, after reading what you wrote, I was one of the guys recommending that the people involved in the Seattle meet-up contact the police. You went out of your way to look like a crazy about to commit criminal acts. Now you are reaping what you have sown. Grow the fuck up.

Before daring to say that everyone else is fucked up, you really need to take a long hard objective look at your own actions.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on March 29, 2008, 05:03:10 PM
Quote from: Stephenls
/b/



Not even a whole sentence??

From such a familiar name??

Okay.


- Ed C.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Werekoala on March 29, 2008, 05:12:21 PM
I CAN be a dick, but its not a full-time job. The benefits and hours pretty much suck ass.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 29, 2008, 05:37:15 PM
Quote from: Koltar
Not even a whole sentence??

From such a familiar name??

Okay.


- Ed C.


That was a whole sentence, answering the asked question, even.

But in that answer, lies only madness...
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 29, 2008, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: Last Knight
That was a whole sentence, answering the asked question, even.

But in that answer, lies only madness...


An apt and more defining description words cannot express...
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Stheno on March 29, 2008, 07:39:43 PM
Quote from: Koltar
Not even a whole sentence??

From such a familiar name??

Okay.


- Ed C.

To give you a more informative answer:
/b/ is a sub-board of 4chan.
It is the hell of the internet.

That you do not know of it, and do not comprehend the reference, is a thing for which you should be thankful.

That said, Stephen is absolutely correct.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 29, 2008, 08:40:24 PM
Quote from: Stephenls
/b/
Well, okay.  But I did say the ones I'm familiar with.

Oh, and, hi Stephen!  I'm sorry it takes shit like this to bring familar names out of the woodwork.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Stephenls on March 29, 2008, 09:10:45 PM
Quote from: Ian Absentia
Well, okay.  But I did say the ones I'm familiar with.

Oh, and, hi Stephen!  I'm sorry it takes shit like this to bring familar names out of the woodwork.


Hey, the only reason I registered here at all was because I couldn't let a straight line like "I don't think I've ever come across a place where more people admit when they're being assholes than [theRPGsite]" go unanswered.

My location field lies not.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Spike on March 29, 2008, 09:43:35 PM
Well. I am actually pleased when I see a mod from the big purple hang his hat here, though bog only knows why.  Of course, they never stay, which makes me sad.

Though of course, I can't blame 'em. Some folks here get mighty hostile to the Mod types, and it takes a decently thick skin to hang around at the best of times.

One day I will find this 4chan place, and probably check out the /b/ subplace you all talk about.   Hopefully it won't be as much a letdown as the something awful forums were.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 29, 2008, 11:13:24 PM
I got bored with 4chan fast.

Take all the supid shit from tbP, porn it up, and run it through the eyes of a really sick 14 year old.

But the trolls are sorta funny.. there was one that was posting pics of scat from obese and old people - lucky for me they were mostly thumbnails so I didn't see too much ick.

And Welcome Stephenls :)
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 30, 2008, 04:02:23 AM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
I wrote what I thought a very undickish response to your question, at leats until the end.  Which I intended to be dickish.


But it wasn't an answer to the question I asked.  Go back and read your response, it's all about me.  It's not about you at all.  It's about what I did.

While I realize this is pointless, since you're comment about grammar not mattering illustrates that you are clearly a Grade A Idiot,  read the questions again:

Quote from: Jackalope
What does Hackmastergeneral, and Cyth, and those calling me "creepier than Koltar" get from attacking me with their comments?
Also, what does shewolf get from watching it?
Can anyone answer these question honestly?
Do any of you have the courage to actually examine why you do what you do?


I will gain a lot of respect for anyone who can actually answer those questions.  These questions require self-reflection.  They require you to examine your own motives, and be honest about what you get from engaging in this behavior.  That's very hard to do.  It's easy to make it all about me, to talk about what i did, and act as if that justifies you.

But it's not honest, and it's not an answer to the question.  In fact, an honest answer to the question should not make any reference to me at all.

Can you look at yourself that deeply?  I don't think you can.  I think you're afraid of what you might discover.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 30, 2008, 04:10:15 AM
I've looked within myself deeply, and found that I enjoy mocking people who act like cocksmocks, and mocking those who say outright stupid and ridiculous things.

It's a little sadistic, but quite within the range of healthy human behaviour.

I also find it amusing that a person who openly admits to drug abuse, to physical violence towards others, and who makes physical threats to random strangers on the internet is asking us to reflect on ourselves.

That's being a cocksmock.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 30, 2008, 04:50:58 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron
I've looked within myself deeply, and found that I enjoy mocking people who act like cocksmocks, and mocking those who say outright stupid and ridiculous things.


Why?

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I also find it amusing that a person who openly admits to drug abuse, to physical violence towards others, and who makes physical threats to random strangers on the internet is asking us to reflect on ourselves.


I've never made physical threats to random strangers on the internet, nor have I ever admitted to drug abuse -- drug use is not drug abuse.

And Ernest Hemmingway got in the occasional drunken brawl.  I'm in good company.  Hell, if you're over 30 and haven't ever been in a drunken brawl, I'd say you've never really lived.  You're just playing life safe, and you might as well be dead already.  But that's just me.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Stheno on March 30, 2008, 06:44:57 AM
Quote from: Jackalope
I've never made physical threats to random strangers on the internet, nor have I ever admitted to drug abuse -- drug use is not drug abuse.
No, you've just made physical threats to specific strangers on the internet, and you've admitted specifically to consuming illegal drugs (which is commonly denoted using the term drug abuse).
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And Ernest Hemmingway got in the occasional drunken brawl.  I'm in good company.

:what:
Hemingway...was an alcoholic who committed suicide. That he chose poor company and self-destructive behaviour doesn't validate your idiocy.
The vast majority of participants in drunken brawls are drunken fools, not brilliant authors or artists. You're making a very good case for the fool part thus far.
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Hell, if you're over 30 and haven't ever been in a drunken brawl, I'd say you've never really lived.  You're just playing life safe, and you might as well be dead already.  But that's just me.

Yes, your E-schlong is and thick, we get it.
Are you compensating for something?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 30, 2008, 04:25:30 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
While I realize this is pointless, since you're comment about grammar not mattering illustrates that you are clearly a Grade A Idiot,  read the questions again:
 run that by me again?

When I post to a forum, which is little more than shooting the shit in a bar, I'm not going to spend my time correcting grammar, or spelling too much.  Cause you know what?  I don't care.  

Some assholes feel that any slight grammatical mistake on a fucking casual internet forum is grounds for declaring mental retardation.  Me, I prefer to look at the substance, not the window dressing.  On that regard, you've got everyone on this forum, and on RPG.net, beat on the retarded angle.  But whatever, get your grammar nazi on, if it makes you feel like a big man.

EDIT - beyond that, I don't need to look into myself.  I know who I am.  I don't care what you think of me, or what you think period.  You're the one who stalked people off a web site over a little taunting, and threatened people.  I don't need a lecture from you on how to act, thanks.  I think I'm working things fine all on my own.  But, again, get your macho out, if it makes you feel big and tough.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 30, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron


That's being a cocksmock.


And I have a new word. Thank you very much! :D
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 30, 2008, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: shewolf
And I have a new word. Thank you very much! :D


I always pictured it as some silly artist wearing a cloak made out of severed penises, but perhaps I'm too literal.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 30, 2008, 06:04:23 PM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
I always pictured it as some silly artist wearing a cloak made out of severed penises, but perhaps I'm too literal.


Huh. I just figured it as an elaborate reference to the foreskin.

Maybe that's just me. ^_^ I like your image better.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 30, 2008, 06:12:49 PM
Quote from: Last Knight
Huh. I just figured it as an elaborate reference to the foreskin.

Maybe that's just me. ^_^ I like your image better.


Yeah but I'm secretly gay, so clearly I'm just overprojecting my repressed homosexual tendencies.  :rolleyes:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 30, 2008, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
Yeah but I'm secretly gay, so clearly I'm just overprojecting my repressed homosexual tendencies.  :rolleyes:


Ah, but we already know that you're a liar. So, clearly you are lying about being gay.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 30, 2008, 06:29:32 PM
Quote from: Last Knight
Ah, but we already know that you're a liar. So, clearly you are lying about being gay.


You've found me out!  I'm really ALL about the pussy!  Dammit, there goes my designs of singing in a broadway musical!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 30, 2008, 06:31:03 PM
There you go, lying again! Does your deception never cease?!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 30, 2008, 06:31:50 PM
I am not a crook.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Cthy on March 30, 2008, 06:35:43 PM
I Am A Freeman.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 30, 2008, 06:37:38 PM
I am not a number!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 30, 2008, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: Jackalope
But it wasn't an answer to the question I asked.  Go back and read your response, it's all about me.  It's not about you at all.  It's about what I did.
Maybe you're simply more interesting than we are.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 30, 2008, 06:41:23 PM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
I always pictured it as some silly artist wearing a cloak made out of severed penises, but perhaps I'm too literal.
No, it's a condom.

Condoms are funny things, you see. On the one hand, they take your penis, which looks pretty silly to begin with, and squash it up and make him look like a little mugger with a stocking on his head. They have within them a dilemma: to use them, you must be excited, but if excited you find it difficult to open the packet and get them on, and while fiddling with them and getting annoyed you may find yourself getting deflated, so to speak, and thus unable to use them. What a conundrum! Also once used they are rather unappealing.

All in all, a condom is a fairly silly thing. Thus, "cocksmock" is a good insult. It's a person who makes silly things look sillier still, someone who desperately tries to balance excitement and clumsiness, and who after your (I hope only verbal) intercourse with him is rather unappealing.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 30, 2008, 06:43:31 PM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron
No, it's a condom.

Condoms are funny things, you see. On the one hand, they take your penis, which looks pretty silly to begin with, and squash it up and make him look like a little mugger with a stocking on his head. They have within them a dilemma: to use them, you must be excited, but if excited you find it difficult to open the packet and get them on, and while fiddling with them and getting annoyed you may find yourself getting deflated, so to speak, and thus unable to use them. What a conundrum! Also once used they are rather unappealing.

All in all, a condom is a fairly silly thing. Thus, "cocksmock" is a good insult. It's a person who makes silly things look sillier still, someone who desperately tries to balance excitement and clumsiness, and who after your (I hope only verbal) intercourse with him is rather unappealing.

Huh. Cocksmock=condom never once occurred to me. Which is hilarious, really, because I'm quite religious about using them.

It does work fairly well as an insult, but I feel that's probably more because of the repetition of sounds. And also, smock is simply fun to say. :D
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: One Horse Town on March 30, 2008, 06:45:24 PM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron
What a condomdrum!


:haw:

Yep, tangency has come to toy-town!

I'm off to write stuff and shit.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 30, 2008, 06:55:14 PM
NICKY
Well, okay, but just so you know —
IF YOU WERE GAY
THAT'D BE OKAY.
I MEAN 'CAUSE, HEY,
I'D LIKE YOU ANYWAY.
BECAUSE YOU SEE,
IF IT WERE ME,
I WOULD FEEL FREE
TO SAY THAT I WAS GAY
(BUT I'M NOT GAY.)

ROD
Nicky, please!
I am trying to read....
What?!

NICKY
IF YOU WERE QUEER

ROD
Ah, Nicky!

NICKY
I'D STILL BE HERE,

ROD
Nicky, I'm trying to read this book.

NICKY
YEAR AFTER YEAR

ROD
Nicky!

NICKY
BECAUSE YOU'RE DEAR
TO ME,

ROD
Argh!

NICKY
AND I KNOW THAT YOU

ROD
What?

NICKY
WOULD ACCEPT ME TOO,

ROD
I would?

NICKY
IF I TOLD YOU TODAY,
"HEY! GUESS WHAT,
I'M GAY!"
(BUT I'M NOT GAY.)
I'M HAPPY
JUST BEING WITH YOU.

ROD
High Button Shoes, Pal Joey...

NICKY
SO WHAT SHOULD IT
MATTER TO ME
WHAT YOU DO IN BED
WITH GUYS?

ROD
Nicky, that's GROSS!

NICKY
No it's not!
IF YOU WERE GAY
I'D SHOUT HOORAY!

ROD
I am not listening!

NICKY
AND HERE I'D STAY,

ROD
La la la la la!

NICKY
BUT I WOULDN'T GET
IN YOUR WAY.

ROD
Aaaah!

NICKY
YOU CAN COUNT ON ME
TO ALWAYS BE
BESIDE YOU EVERY DAY,
TO TELL YOU IT'S OKAY,
YOU WERE JUST BORN
THAT WAY,
AND, AS THEY SAY,
IT'S IN YOUR DNA,
YOU'RE GAY!

ROD
BUT I'M NOT GAY!

NICKY
If you were gay.

ROD
Argh!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 30, 2008, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: Chango Chi
It's ok man, it's ok to be gay.


here we are dear old friend
you and i drunk again
laughs have been and and tears have been shed
maybe the whiskey's gone to my head

but if i were gay
i would give you my heart
and if i were gay
you'd be my work of art
and if i were gay
we would swim in romance
but i'm not gay
so get your hand out of my pants

its not that i dont care -i do
i just dont see myself ... in you
another time, another scene
i'd be right behind you, if you know what i mean

cause if i were gay
i would give you my soul
and if i were gay
i would give you my whole ... being
and if i were gay
we would tear down the walls
but i'm not gay
so wont you stop cupping my ... hand

we've never hugged
we've never kissed
i've never been intimate with your fist
you have opened brand new doors
get over here and drop your drawers
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 30, 2008, 07:11:22 PM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
here we are dear old friend
you and i drunk again
laughs have been and and tears have been shed
maybe the whiskey's gone to my head


Oooh, Stephen Lynch. :D Classic.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 30, 2008, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: Last Knight
Oooh, Stephen Lynch. :D Classic.


My personal fave...

I came down to the breakfast table
felt like I could die
Tried so hard but wasn't able
to look you in the eye

For i'm feeling so much shame
yes i have brought disgrace
i can tell i've soiled my good name
by the look upon your face

Well it seems last night you caught me spankin it
No use denyin it I was really crankin it
Well Dry your eyes don't be so sad
If you could just forgive me and talk to me, dad
talk to me dad

I didn't hear ya enter, no I didn't hear the door
with my hand upon my member and my pants upon the floor
Now burnt into your brain is an image you dispise
like blood and guts and starvin kids and Stevie Wonder's eyes

Well it seems last night you caught me spankin it
No use denyin it I was really crankin it
Well Dry your eyes don't be so sad
but I wouldn't use those tissues
They've already been had
Talk to me dad

The look upon your face made my swollen gland diminish
So I said, "Could ya close the door? I really wanna finish"
Now daddy I'm ashamed and I'd completely understand
If you never wanna hug again or even shake my hand

Well it seems last night you caught me spankin it
No use denyin it I was really crankin it
Well Dry your eyes don't be so sad
Just because it was your bed
It's not that bad

When I was only seventeen, you told me it was dirty,
so it must be really creepy when your kid is pushin thirty
But you cannot tell me dad that you have never had a whack
At the thing that hangs below your belt and bumps into your sack

Well it seems last night you caught me spankin it
No use denyin it I was really crankin it
Well Dry your eyes don't be so sad
But I wouldn't use those tissues they've already been-
just because it was your bed
it's not that-
now daddy daddy please forgive me and talk to me dad
talk to me dad
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 30, 2008, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: Chango Chi
I've suspected underneath that rugged exterior you put on for show there was a sensitive soul just waiting to get out.

I can't deny - I'm all Sly Stallone on the outside, but Justin Timberlake inside.

Britany, why you play me like that?  Cry me a river...who got the last laugh now, bitch.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 30, 2008, 08:22:00 PM
Quote from: Chango Chi
I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were a fat lady and a singer.


And also a gay liar, don't forget.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 30, 2008, 08:55:13 PM
Quote from: Last Knight
And also a gay liar, don't forget.


I am many things, and all things.  I am the wind.  I am the leaf in the tree.  I am the night and the shadow.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: shewolf on March 31, 2008, 12:10:16 AM
Oh god.. I knew one day, enough people from tbP came, a thread, probably one bitchin' about the place, would devolve into the same silliness.

:rolleyes:   :D
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Koltar on March 31, 2008, 12:13:20 AM
Quote from: shewolf
Oh god.. I knew one day, enough people from tbP came, a thread, probably one bitchin' about the place, would devolve into the same silliness.

:rolleyes:   :D


You mean those two male bonding in a tacky way ?

 um yep .


- Ed C.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Melan on March 31, 2008, 03:08:32 AM
Close the damn thread already and IP-ban the fucker. This is not Tangency.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 31, 2008, 03:15:57 AM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
run that by me again?

When I post to a forum, which is little more than shooting the shit in a bar, I'm not going to spend my time correcting grammar, or spelling too much.  Cause you know what?  I don't care.  

Some assholes feel that any slight grammatical mistake on a fucking casual internet forum is grounds for declaring mental retardation.  Me, I prefer to look at the substance, not the window dressing.  On that regard, you've got everyone on this forum, and on RPG.net, beat on the retarded angle.  But whatever, get your grammar nazi on, if it makes you feel like a big man.


There's a difference between a grammatical error, such as the ones I made, and poor grammar.  Poor grammar leads to one saying things that do not mean what one intends, such as the incident that caused you to claim grammar is unimportant.  You literally said the exact opposite of what you meant to say.

Quote
EDIT - beyond that, I don't need to look into myself.  I know who I am.  I don't care what you think of me, or what you think period.  You're the one who stalked people off a web site over a little taunting, and threatened people.  I don't need a lecture from you on how to act, thanks.  I think I'm working things fine all on my own.  But, again, get your macho out, if it makes you feel big and tough.


Bwak!  Bwak bwak bwak!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 31, 2008, 06:50:05 AM
Quote from: Jackalope
There's a difference between a grammatical error, such as the ones I made, and poor grammar.  Poor grammar leads to one saying things that do not mean what one intends, such as the incident that caused you to claim grammar is unimportant.  You literally said the exact opposite of what you meant to say.

Bwak!  Bwak bwak bwak!


OK, here goes, since you called me a chicken and hurt my feelings.

I only get aggressive and insulting with people who act like idiots.  You, for example, and Chango Chi right now.

Having existed at RPG.net for the almost 6 years on the money and having caught 1 warning and 1 suspension for unrelated incidents, and in both cases having been thanked by the staff in question for the mature way I handled disagreeing with both instances (IE - didn't act like a douchebag and bitch and moan - I knew the rules and crossed the line, but I still felt that especially the suspension was not really warranted without a previous warning, or a general "cool it guys" warning, since I was far from the only one participating in the shitflinging, but the only one that crossed the line to an actual insult, and as far as insults go, it was pretty tame.  Suspension actually ended up being reduced, because I didn't act like a dick, and the "warning" was never actually recorded by the mod in question, because the other guy was acting like a passive aggressive douche and the mod in question was really on the verge of giving him some time off for a bunch of different things), I do not have a history of being a big ass douchebag.  I phrase myself poorly by times, and there have been cases where someone took something a way I didn't mean - the internet is horrible for sarcasm and irony, both of which I use too often really.  

This place seems to bring out the worst in me in someways - the freedom is sometimes TOO intoxicating, and calling you all variety of names is too tempting, and honestly, you set yourself up for it.

I am comfortable with who I am.  I am the least aggressive and least violent or angry person I know, and while excitable and prone to using an "outside voice" inside too often, I am polite, considerate and caring.  When someone crosses me and mine in any way other than just in passing, I get my dander up.  But I have never been in a fight in my adult life (and theres more to living than bar fights, thank god - at least for non-troglodytes and non-knuckle-scraping neanderthals), and the only time I've been approached by cops is speeding tickets (which I have had two in my whole life) car accidents (only one of which could be remotely considered my fault) or an incident in a school involving a student sexually harrassing another student.

So heres the deal - I have, right now TWO people who I am engaged in a "flamewar" with - you, and the bigger asshole Chango Chi (while you act like a douche, you are at least contributing outside these threads, and engaging in mature discussion elsewhere - Chango is acting like a thirteen year old who just discovered 4chan for the first time about a week ago).

You, on the other hand, have a pretty big cross-section of this board insulting and belittling you, and have been banned from two websites already, and have comported yourself here in a  manner that, if this weren't a website that doesn't ban people, would likely have worked in a third.  You admit to using violence in real life to those who cross you, and have tracked people down aftre a net-war to outside sites and threatened their health and well being in very direct and violent manner.

Turn that microscope around and look at yourself - do you comport yourself in a way that BRINGS this shit onto you?  Do you act in a manner in which no reasonable person would have any positive interactions with you whatsoever?  Even if, as you claim, you threatened and harassed those people from RPG.net as a joke, which I don't buy for a second - you snapped and wrote a bunch of shit, and are backpedalling cause you know you crossed a very real line - do you not see how that is not likely the kid of behavior that is going to "win friends and influence people"?  Or at least encourage anyone to have positive interactions with you?  Seriously, take a long and objective look at your posting history both here and on tBP.  How are people going to interact with those opinions and those statements other than with dismissal, and eventually mocking sarcasm?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: jeff37923 on March 31, 2008, 08:50:52 AM
Quote from: Melan
Close the damn thread already and IP-ban the fucker. This is not Tangency.


Seconded!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 31, 2008, 09:04:55 AM
Quote from: jeff37923
Seconded!
And it is precisely because this is not Tangency that they're not going to be banned; Pundit's said, several times, that there are very few banning offenses on here, and acting like a dick isn't one of them. Free speech, jack, grow a thicker skin or go hide in an emotionally safer hole. This is why God created Ignore Lists, try not to flaunt yours like it's a direct relation to the size of your cock rather than the size of your being a cock.

Jackalope: When three people tell you you're dead, lie the fuck down. All your flailings have done little more than convince yet another board that you're a whiny bitch.

Chango_Chi: Thank you for removing any doubt whatsoever as to your status. You're a troll, and not a particularly good one. Perhaps with time and effort, you could improve your craft, but the sad fact of the matter is that nobody's going to take anything you say seriously again, and no matter in what terms you couch it, the only thing coming out of your mouth, to our ears, will be "gay lies gay lies gay lies lulz".

HMGeneral: If either of these jackasses actually hurt your feelings, you're giving them entirely too much headspace. Take a step back from the computer, a few deep breaths, and maybe a couple of beers; it can be aggravating to feel like you're being targeted, but the simple fact is that neither of them are particularly worth more than a 'meh'. Also, I request that you change your title from "Massive Faggot" - yet another of your infamous lies! - to "Gay Deceiver", which I feel suits the occasion far more aptly.

In conclusion:
*I am not targeting anyone in particular with my IL comment, that's intended as a comment on tBP where people's Ignore Lists are borne like passive-aggressive marks of pride, a way of singing "LalalalaIcan'thearyou!" at everyone who's somehow dared hurt your feelings.
*Jackalope's a twat.
*Chango_Chi's a right twat.
*Hackmastergeneral is a Gay Deceiver.

Any questions?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Kyle Aaron on March 31, 2008, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: Last Knight
[/B] Any questions?

Gay Deceiver
sounds like a position in US football. Is it?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 31, 2008, 09:18:46 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron


Gay Deceiver
sounds like a position in US football. Is it?
No, but it totally should be.

Also sounds like one of your wingmen when you walk into a bar, come to think of it. "Okay, Chad, you're the gay deceiver tonight while the rest of us try to pick up some chicks at that end of the bar. Remember, flex the butt cheeks!"
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: StormBringer on March 31, 2008, 11:02:51 AM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
One that you deserved, and Jackalope did nothing to have you incur, your own actions did that for you.
Yeah, I can see how making points others are unable to refute can piss people off.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Spike on March 31, 2008, 12:56:54 PM
Given how much Jackalope loves to fight, he should totally limp his way south for about an hour (by car...) and look me up.  Not that I hate him or anything, but I've got a lot of stress to work off and I don't mind a little violence now and then.

If he promises not to use his cane as a weapon I promise not to smite him or eat the body afterwards. :D
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Acta Est Fabula on March 31, 2008, 01:12:59 PM
Quote from: Spike
Given how much Jackalope loves to fight, he should totally limp his way south for about an hour (by car...) and look me up.  Not that I hate him or anything, but I've got a lot of stress to work off and I don't mind a little violence now and then.

If he promises not to use his cane as a weapon I promise not to smite him or eat the body afterwards. :D



Where are you at?  Vancouver?  My Washington geography is off, and I can't recall exactly where he lives at.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Spike on March 31, 2008, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: Acta Est Fabula
Where are you at?  Vancouver?  My Washington geography is off, and I can't recall exactly where he lives at.



No, Vancouver is another two hours south of me. I'm in Tacoma.  

All I know is that supposedly he's somewhere up 'round Seattle. By definition that makes him a alterna-dweeb.  I mean... Seattle, dude. Grunge 'rock', stoner hippies and people that call the WTO affair a 'riot'.  I mean, I have family that worked in Downtown Seattle at the time, and they took their lunch breaks on the same streets as the riots the same day... and didn't even know 'riots' had happened until they caught the nightly news.*

Tacoma, that's a lower class industrial city.  West Coast Detroit.  Too much bleedover from the alterna-dweebs who commute to Seattle for my taste.  Seattle's idea of a rough neighborhood is where the gay hustlers harass the tourists, Tacoma's is 'Hilltop', where nightly shootings are the name of the game. I know, those damn pop-pop sounds used to set the dogs off.


I mean, damn, Seattlites make Canadians look manly and tough... :p






*just a damning point: Seattlites couldn't even riot properly, they had to import some serious losers from Oregon to even get as much news as they did.  I have to say, the TV interview I got to watch with some of those 'Anarchists' was one of the most damning bits of footage I could ever have hoped to see.  Clinical case studies in 'people without a clue'.   Hell, SARAH (Jackalope, one of his ID's anyway) seems positively 'clued in' in comparison.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Acta Est Fabula on March 31, 2008, 02:19:11 PM
Quote from: Spike




*just a damning point: Seattlites couldn't even riot properly, they had to import some serious losers from Oregon to even get as much news as they did. .


Tell me about it.  My in-laws live in Springfield, right next to where the anarchists live (Eugene).


I've only been to Seattle a few times.  There seemed to be a bit too much traffic for my tastes.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 31, 2008, 02:27:46 PM
Quote from: Spike
... and people that call the WTO affair a 'riot'.  I mean, I have family that worked in Downtown Seattle at the time, and they took their lunch breaks on the same streets as the riots the same day... and didn't even know 'riots' had happened until they caught the nightly news.*


Whoa there pardner, hold your horses.

I don't know a single person in Seattle that didn't think the media description of what happened at the WTO protests as "riots" was overblown, pretentious nonsense.

Considering the number of people I know who got tear-gassed for the high crime of trying to shop at Nordstroms or the Bon Marche during the protests, I think most people think what happened at the WTO protests wasn't riots, its was police incompetence.  Bunches of GED sporting idiots from the King, Pierce and Snohomish County Sheriff's Departments given far, far too much tear gas  and far, far too little instruction on how to use it.

But "Protests Marred By Deputy Barney Fife Like Shennagins" isn't as sexy a headline as "Riots in Seattle!"
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: StormBringer on March 31, 2008, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: Acta Est Fabula
To Stormbringer's point, valid concerns about MOD behavior will now be even more challenging to put forth. I too had had PM discussion with a MOD that ended with the result of, "I like X, so that's the way it is. And I'm done with this conversation."

The conversation was in regards to clear inequitable treatment of various threads of similar subjects, where bashing was allowed in one thread, and anything of a dissenting opinion (no bashing involved) was quickly warned and threatened with immediate banning even without the warning.

Good luck trying to bring that up to the admins without being just another "Jackalope".


Quote from: J Arcane
Dude, trust me, the moment you bring up any criticism of the moderation there, no matter how diplomatically or carefully stated, no matter the motive, you're branded a trouble maker for the rest of your tenure.

Give it up.  You won't change shit, unless you're sleeping with one of them.
'Tis true, but as I indicated to Jackal-ass, I wasn't looking to change things overnight with one razor sharp post.  But even in the melt-down thread, there were a few people I didn't recognize as being regulars that were coming forward and commenting that some of the points being made were relevant in regards to the moderation.  It was as though, in a small way, the tide was starting to turn, if only slightly.

Then the email and blog threats shit all over that.  He snatched defeat from the jaws of victory (albeit a small one that needed to be built upon fastidiously).
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Spike on March 31, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Seeing as how I have actual riot training, with a partial focus on events at the WTO 'riot':

The big issue, one that most cities were struggling with at the time, is twofold: first the 'anachists' are much better at manipulation of the media than the police are. Shocking, I know.

Second, while basic riot control techniques date back to the Roman Empire (at least...), the principle of having a central command system, and a plan, is a rather newer requirement brought on by having several different organizations essentially performing the same tasks (be it riot control or wildfire response).

The 'black hats' from Eugene were, in fact, deliberately staging scenes to make any (and this was required btw, ignoring the staged scenes just lead to escalation of obvious criminal behavior... tagging becomes vandalism, etc) police response look worse than it really was.

Combine that with multiple organizations trying to control 'rioters' and you have a receipe for disaster. You had guys pulling 24+ hours shifts out on the street with rubber bullets having their guns grabbed.  Yeah, it looks really bad when some guy gets a shotgun to the chest on the news, but in the real world, having your gun grabbed and NOT responding like that is a death sentance waiting to happen.

The irony is that it wasn't even, technically, a riot at all.  The instigators from Eugene never quite whipped the crowd into full blown 'pagan fire dance' mode, never got a real riot going, they were forced to do most of the dirty work themselves.  

And if you think being tear gassed is a sign of police brutality... or even just incompetence...

Wow. Talk about sheltered.  

Incompetence from the man on the street would have been motherfuckers getting shot.  Teargassing downtown to deal with a dozen or so hard core instigators trying to whip a crowd of otherwise ordinary protestors into a riot is at best poor leadership decision making, at best is just a PR event.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Serious Paul on March 31, 2008, 03:21:50 PM
You have some interesting views on Use of Force, I don't necessarily disagree completely, and nor will I claim to have an understanding of the totality of circumstances here but can answer a few questions for me? (And these are serious, and forgive me if they've already been answered.)

Was a show of force attempted? If it failed, what happened next? (I.e. was the gas rolled out, or did they try to separate a few of the leaders from the crowd first?) Was every reasonable attempt made to minimize exposure to civilians?

If the answers to these are yes, or as best they could-then I see nothing wrong with their use of force in this incident. At least from a legal standpoint-I'm sure someone somewhere could find moral objections, but I'm not that guy.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Spike on March 31, 2008, 03:52:11 PM
Mind you, I actually lived on the East Coast at the time (North Carolina) so I'm not 100% on events, but a lot of this was covered by the recent training (annual... was fun the first time... less so last month...) but:

The police knew that 'stuff' would be going down, so they were on alert and out in force. This is why you have guys on the street with inadequet rest for such a short event.

There isn't really a 'show of force' requirement per se for riot gas munitions. Its not considered lethal or less than lethal, though obviously using it in a busy shopping area to disrupt a relatively small band of naerdowells was overkill.

The issue that really comes up over and over again was that you had a hard core group of activists whose entire purpose (as stated publicly, no less, after the fact) was to create a riot, and the subsequent police crack down.

Its a lose/lose situation, no matter what, and when your leadership displays more or less utter incompetence during the event, it just makes things worse.  My understanding is that no legal actions were carried through against the police on the ground (charges were levied in several cases, like the riot shot to the chest incident) but investigations cleared all officers: They did exactly what they were supposed to do in every event.   Seattle, and washington in general, is remarkably unfriendly with its law enforcement personnel as a general rule, and media bias is virtually a given here in cases like this.


But back to the 'black hats'.

These 'special needs children' were unwilling to obey instructions to disperse. Quite the opposite, their entire purpose was to provoke police actions.  On the one hand, you can't ignore them: they are breaking the law, often explicitely (breaking windows, etc). On the other hand, any attempt to stop them gets videotaped, just in case the news media isn't there, they cry and protest loudly about abuse and fight back in ways that are designed to be effective without actually looking particularly violent.

Its hard to seperate leaders like that (organized fanatical leaders, no less) from an unwitting crowd without making the situation worse.  Its not like the similar, organic, riot control we saw from Ocean Shores, where the police can just divide the crowd up, arrest a few belligerent leaders and slowly convince most of the people to just go home.  

Its a stunning lesson to contrast those two events and what happened in them.  At least what we saw of the Ocean Shores riot, a single small sheriffs office, using decent, but hardly outstanding, technique and no riot gas handled a much larger riot, while the WTO was just a debacle created by bad leadership on one side and hardened fanatical activists on the other, with the ordinary protestors and shoppers caught in the middle.  

Though to be honest, if you see riot cops within a quarter mile of where you plan on shopping, common sense dictates not hanging around.  But see again my opinions of Seattlites..... :rolleyes:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 31, 2008, 04:31:54 PM
Quote from: Spike
Though to be honest, if you see riot cops within a quarter mile of where you plan on shopping, common sense dictates not hanging around.

But then you miss out on the deals at the riot sale! :eek:
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Ian Absentia on March 31, 2008, 04:38:55 PM
Somewhere in a box I still have the document my employer had to issue me that allowed me to cross the lines the Washington State National Guard had set up in the days afterward.  I had the good fortune to have been telecommuting from home on the day the WTO conference opened.

!i!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Spike on March 31, 2008, 04:46:04 PM
Quote from: Ian Absentia
Somewhere in a box I still have the document my employer had to issue me that allowed me to cross the lines the Washington State National Guard had set up in the days afterward.  I had the good fortune to have been telecommuting from home on the day the WTO conference opened.

!i!


Now, lets look at this: Aside from the Seattle PD, you also had the King County Sherrifs office involved and neither side wanted to conceed the other control over the situation in the middle. Yeah, fighting over the lose/lose bone in the middle...

And Ian just added that the National Guard was invovled on the periphary... now you're talking military chains of command and control added to the mess of the two different law enforcement entities fighting for control

the only reason you don't see NG personnel all over the news in this regards is that the officers KNOW their careers are on the line, and they KNOW all about Posse Commitas, and not a single one of them could forget all about Berkley, and how the california Guard is forever remembered for having shot four (?) college students at a riot.  

Never mind the fire and medical services all over the city staging for their inevitable parts.






Now you know why, after the Rodney King riots, the US Gov stepped in and started laying down  centralized command structures for riots and natural disasters and started implementing state plans for common events.  Sadly, Washington was behind the powercurve for the WTO... though in my humble opinion they were screwed anyway.  Its just a matter of degrees.  And sadly, the Washington State law enforcement personnel said 'I'll take 12 inches please, hold the lube' with a smile.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 31, 2008, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: Last Knight

HMGeneral: If either of these jackasses actually hurt your feelings, you're giving them entirely too much headspace. Take a step back from the computer, a few deep breaths, and maybe a couple of beers; it can be aggravating to feel like you're being targeted, but the simple fact is that neither of them are particularly worth more than a 'meh'. Also, I request that you change your title from "Massive Faggot" - yet another of your infamous lies! - to "Gay Deceiver", which I feel suits the occasion far more aptly.

In conclusion:
*I am not targeting anyone in particular with my IL comment, that's intended as a comment on tBP where people's Ignore Lists are borne like passive-aggressive marks of pride, a way of singing "LalalalaIcan'thearyou!" at everyone who's somehow dared hurt your feelings.
*Jackalope's a twat.
*Chango_Chi's a right twat.
*Hackmastergeneral is a Gay Deceiver.

Any questions?


I was being facetious.  I'm a Newfie - my skin is far thicker than anything these jackasses can say.  I was using it as a way of indicating how fucking childish going "bwak bwak bwak" is.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 31, 2008, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
I was being facetious.  I'm a Newfie - my skin is far thicker than anything these jackasses can say.  I was using it as a way of indicating how fucking childish going "bwak bwak bwak" is.
Ah, mea culpa.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 31, 2008, 05:13:29 PM
Quote from: Last Knight
Ah, mea culpa.

Your avatar is cooler than mine too.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on March 31, 2008, 05:22:38 PM
But if you had 'Gay Deceiver' for your title, think how much cooler your avatar would be!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Cthy on March 31, 2008, 05:50:36 PM
Thats too much coolness.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 31, 2008, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Last Knight
But if you had 'Gay Deceiver' for your title, think how much cooler your avatar would be!


OK, fine, fuck there you go.  Are you fucking happy now?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Acta Est Fabula on March 31, 2008, 07:06:16 PM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
OK, fine, fuck there you go.  Are you fucking happy now?



Um, he said "Gay deceiver" and you typed "Gay receiver"
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Matthew Gabbert on March 31, 2008, 07:15:24 PM
Quote from: Spike
the only reason you don't see NG personnel all over the news in this regards is that the officers KNOW their careers are on the line, and they KNOW all about Posse Commitas, and not a single one of them could forget all about Berkley, and how the california Guard is forever remembered for having shot four (?) college students at a riot.

Alameda County Sheriff's Deputies (under the command of Edwin Meese, then Gov. Ronald Reagan's chief-of-staff) "only" killed one man and permanently blinded another in the Berkeley riots.

The riots in which National Guardsmen fired into a crowd, killing four and wounding nine more, took place about a year later at Kent State University in Kent, Ohio.

  -- Matthew Gabbert
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: jeff37923 on March 31, 2008, 07:16:56 PM
Quote from: Last Knight

*Jackalope's a twat.

Any questions?


No, just a quote from Mark Twain and a clarification.

Quote

Freedom of Speech means that every man has the right to make a damn fool of themselves in public.


Its not that I'm against Jackolope's right to give his opinion, I'm taking into account the methodology that is being used. If the man is being a twat, why should we put up with that behavior?

Granted, this is theRPGsite, and there is more latitude here than most places. But where do you draw the line?
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: One Horse Town on March 31, 2008, 07:21:59 PM
Quote from: jeff37923
No, just a quote from Mark Twain and a clarification.



Its not that I'm against Jackolope's right to give his opinion, I'm taking into account the methodology that is being used. If the man is being a twat, why should we put up with that behavior?

Granted, this is theRPGsite, and there is more latitude here than most places. But where do you draw the line?


Just because you have the freedom to be a twat, doesn't mean that you have to take it. Something that seems to stymie some new posters here recently. Hell, most of them.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Spike on March 31, 2008, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: Matthew Gabbert
Alameda Country Sheriff's Deputies (under the command of Edwin Meese, then Gov. Ronald Reagan's chief-of-staff) "only" killed one man and permanently blinded another in the Berkeley riots.

The riots in which National Guardsmen fired into a crowd, killing four and wounding nine more, took place about a year later at Kent State University in Kent, Ohio.

  -- Matthew Gabbert



Christ! Thanks man.  Must be all the loudmouths at Berkley that made me conflate that with Kent State, the one I actually was thinking of.  Nothin's been working right in the brain since I moved to the Left Coast...
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 31, 2008, 08:19:01 PM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
You, on the other hand, have a pretty big cross-section of this board insulting and belittling you, and have been banned from two websites already, and have comported yourself here in a  manner that, if this weren't a website that doesn't ban people, would likely have worked in a third....


Hold on.  That's not accurate at all.

I've been banned from the following forums:
RPG.net
Wizards of the Coast
Story Games
I Would Knife Fight A Man (and I'm the reason they now have closed membership!)
Comic Book Resources
About 50 Livejournal Communities

Get it right!
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 31, 2008, 08:30:29 PM
Quote from: Acta Est Fabula
Um, he said "Gay deceiver" and you typed "Gay receiver"

I felt it much funnier.  :D  I'm laughing right now.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Jackalope on March 31, 2008, 08:35:11 PM
Quote from: Spike
And if you think being tear gassed is a sign of police brutality... or even just incompetence...


No, I don't.  I am remarkably pro-police as a general rule.

However, the police fucked up royally at the WTO protests.  They did, that's just a fact.

A regular customer of the store where I worked at the time was a parking lot attendant at a major parking garage near Westlake, a major shopping cneter that was open for shopping at the time.  He had a tear gas cannister fired into his booth.  Another customer was stepping out of Nordstroms with hands full of shopping bags.  She had two cannisters fired directly at her.

That is incompetence.

In attempting to control the protesters, the police ended up driving them up and away from the designated protest area, and into a residential area notable for its many retirement communities.  That is to say: senior citizen housing.  They flooded the street with tear gas, a significant health risk for those senior citizens.

That is incompetence.

The chief of police, Norm Stamper, at the time acknowledges that the deputies brought in for the protests were undertrained and ill-prepared for the duty.  The police claimed that they didn't know the Black Bloc was coming, DESPITE it being the cover story on the local alternative paper The Stranger the week before -- and they'd been reporting on John Zerzan's plans for at least two months before the protests!

I am not saying that using tear gas is brutality or a sign of incompetence.  I am only saying that the undertrained sheriff's deputies brought in from rural districts were ill-prepared to deal with the event, and they went a bit overboard with their use of tear-gas, to the point where they created as many problems as they solved.

The real blame lays on the head of Norm Stamper, then-mayor Paul Schell, and Governor Gary Locke, who were caught totally off-guard by the activities of the black bloc, and naively thought the peaceful protesters would be able to "police their own."  This was an idiotic decision that lead to disaster, and there's a good reason none of those men are still in office.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on March 31, 2008, 09:00:15 PM
Sounds like what happened in Ontario a few years ago, when they went nuts on a group of peacefully protesting students with pepper spray.
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Last Knight on April 01, 2008, 01:52:10 AM
Quote from: Hackmastergeneral
I felt it much funnier.  :D  I'm laughing right now.
And so am I. XD
Title: End of a Creepy Era
Post by: Blackthorne on December 19, 2009, 01:42:25 PM
I was kind of annoyed when they closed it right after I had read every single post and made a listing for them. I mostly posted my creepy gamers at the end of the newer thread.