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soundchaser:
Odd lefty notion? Dune's author supported centrist GOP off and on in his life, and I think he was very critical of JFK. His space-feudalism is predominantly aristocratic and militaristic. Sure, he's got elements of the anti-colonialism present in the Fremen (though I'd say there's some mixing of weird stuff, like the condemnation of AI, along with that line of thinking that of a Marxist hermeneutic of suspicion mainly in the themes related to the manipulations of the BG "seed planting" to prepare for their messiah). That hermeneutic is what bothers me most, but it's liberal enlightenment thought mixed with materialism and the cyclical Hegelianism, tracing the rise and fall of civilizations while regarding religion as a construct of the elite. That's something that trends across modern political lines, generally.

ChrisFox:

--- Quote from: Trond on October 24, 2021, 12:20:44 AM ---Well….. that was pretty darn good actually. Very respectful to the novel. Reports that it had been made politically correct or “Hollywoodized” are highly exaggerated. Cinematography, how do I put this; fantastic. the cinematography was some of the best I’ve ever seen.

My only concern is that it was much easier to follow for me, who read the book years ago, but my wife and her friend often looked bewildered, though they enjoyed the special effects and all.  So maybe it’s mostly good for the fans? 🤔

What do you think?

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I really, really enjoyed Dune, but saw the same reaction with people not familiar with the book. Of course, I saw exactly the same reaction when those same people watched Fellowship of the Ring. Once the extended edition and the rest of the movies were available the early criticism died down, and now it's considered a classic.

Hopefully it's the same with Dune. 7th grade Chris was very, very excited to see it all come to life exactly as I imagined.

soundchaser:

--- Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 24, 2021, 06:10:26 AM ---https://www.therpgsite.com/media-inspiration/duneneuve-novel-spoilers!/

I've had a day to process.
I think it looked great, the acting, aside from a few standouts, was weak. Especially Paul and Jessica, who had to carry the second half of the movie, and IMO didn't manage it.

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I am ambivalent about the acting. That section of the movie and the novel both have a sort of muted feel, something minimalist and grim, with a tone of spiritual "balance." I think, among the other movie attempts, this one did a better job skating in a difficult tension. Jessica comes off as a BG adept and pretty fierce balanced with calm. I loved Rebecca Ferguson's restrained effort. I don't have a verdict on Chalamet. It's very tough thing to do in a new way, this reluctant hero, coming of age, stuff. It's been done so poorly in the past though, and in this film, one gets the idea that past mistakes are known and they're trying to avoid them.

Trond:
I sometimes get the feeling that some people read a different Dune than me, which is of course down to personal interpretations and such. But I felt the actors, and specifically the main actor, gave a “feel” very similar to how I read the book. Some people read him as more decidedly heroic and then feel left down by the following volumes in the series. I was never one of those people (I actually always really enjoyed Dune Messiah for instance)

Ratman_tf:

--- Quote from: soundchaser on October 24, 2021, 11:11:59 PM ---Odd lefty notion? Dune's author supported centrist GOP off and on in his life, and I think he was very critical of JFK. His space-feudalism is predominantly aristocratic and militaristic. Sure, he's got elements of the anti-colonialism present in the Fremen (though I'd say there's some mixing of weird stuff, like the condemnation of AI, along with that line of thinking that of a Marxist hermeneutic of suspicion mainly in the themes related to the manipulations of the BG "seed planting" to prepare for their messiah). That hermeneutic is what bothers me most, but it's liberal enlightenment thought mixed with materialism and the cyclical Hegelianism, tracing the rise and fall of civilizations while regarding religion as a construct of the elite. That's something that trends across modern political lines, generally.

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“Scratch a conservative and you find someone who prefers the past over any future. Scratch a liberal and find a closet aristocrat. It’s true! Liberal governments always develop into aristocracies. The bureaucracies betray the true intent of people who form such governments. Right from the first, the little people who formed the governments which promised to equalize the social burdens found themselves suddenly in the hands of bureaucratic aristocracies. Of course, all bureaucracies follow this pattern, but what a hypocrisy to find this even under a communized banner. Ahhh, well, if patterns teach me anything it’s that patterns are repeated. My oppressions, by and large, are no worse than any of the others and, at least, I teach a new lesson.   —”

― Frank Herbert, God Emperor of Dune

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