Looks great. Sounds terrible. Lots of pointless dialog that doesn't mean anything. I can only hope that none of that shit except the Gob Jabbar scene are actually in the finished film.


MEH

Sounds generic. Wasn't impressed by the acting, either.

I tried to read the first book and got bogged down. Are they really worth reading?


I've heard people state that Robert Jordan stole several major ideas for his world from the Dune series.

Quote from: Hawkwing7423 on September 09, 2020, 11:21:47 PM
I tried to read the first book and got bogged down. Are they really worth reading?


I've heard people state that Robert Jordan stole several major ideas for his world from the Dune series.

I'm a Herbert fan, so I'm biased, keep that in mind.


The first book is a sci-fi classic. the next two are relatively short and finish up the story started in the first book. After that, the books get really far out, even compared to the first 3. But I love God Emperor and even read through Chapterhouse and Heretics, which are bricks and not easy reads.


And between Foundation (by Azimov) and Dune, you'll find most of the classic sci-fi tropes that inspired a lot of current stuff.

I certainly loved the Foundation series and read it several times.

Quote from: Hawkwing7423 on September 09, 2020, 11:21:47 PM
I tried to read the first book and got bogged down. Are they really worth reading?


I've heard people state that Robert Jordan stole several major ideas for his world from the Dune series.

The first three books are some of the best science fiction out there. I think a lot of people get bogged down the first time they try to read Dune. It is a bit nuanced and complex in how it handles politics. My advice is read it when you are in a good mood. If you can't get through it on a second try, probably not for you.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan on September 13, 2020, 01:51:04 PM
The first three books are some of the best science fiction out there. I think a lot of people get bogged down the first time they try to read Dune. It is a bit nuanced and complex in how it handles politics. My advice is read it when you are in a good mood. If you can't get through it on a second try, probably not for you.

I disagree a bit. I think the first three books form a relatively coherent unit, remaining similar in time, scope, theme, and characters. But while Dune (book 1) is wildly original, Messiah and Children are more derivative. They're still worth reading certainly, but not as ground-breaking. But I think there's a second classic in the series, and it's God-Emperor. Book 4 follows naturally (inevitably) from the events in the original series, and is even centered on a (wildly transformed version of) one of the main characters in Children, but it's completely different and very original, and deals with difficult concepts and themes.

I liked many of the books, up to an including God Emperor of Dune, if I remember correctly.
I am mildly positive about this trailer, although I am not sure how much I like the lead actor. The costumes etc look pretty true to the source material, and the effects too. It also looks like it's free of SJW talking points, which is something Hollywood often tries to insert everywhere.

"Pointless "dialog"? Uh.....did you read the books? There are literally philosophical/historical preambles at the start of every chapter, and (as far as I remember) the characters also go on about politics etc quite a bit.

Quote from: Trond on September 14, 2020, 11:37:12 AM
I liked many of the books, up to an including God Emperor of Dune, if I remember correctly.
I am mildly positive about this trailer, although I am not sure how much I like the lead actor. The costumes etc look pretty true to the source material, and the effects too. It also looks like it's free of SJW talking points, which is something Hollywood often tries to insert everywhere.

"Pointless "dialog"? Uh.....did you read the books? There are literally philosophical/historical preambles at the start of every chapter, and (as far as I remember) the characters also go on about politics etc quite a bit.

Is that last directed at me? By pointless, I mean where characters toss around important sounding bites of dialog that don't really impact the story or tell you anything. "Every legend has a beginning" (Not from the movie, but as an example of the kind of thing I'm talking about..)



Talking about philosophy, history, psychology, etc at least has some kind of point he's trying to get across.

Quote from: Pat on September 13, 2020, 05:18:43 PM

Quote from: BedrockBrendan on September 13, 2020, 01:51:04 PM
The first three books are some of the best science fiction out there. I think a lot of people get bogged down the first time they try to read Dune. It is a bit nuanced and complex in how it handles politics. My advice is read it when you are in a good mood. If you can't get through it on a second try, probably not for you.

I disagree a bit. I think the first three books form a relatively coherent unit, remaining similar in time, scope, theme, and characters. But while Dune (book 1) is wildly original, Messiah and Children are more derivative. They're still worth reading certainly, but not as ground-breaking. But I think there's a second classic in the series, and it's God-Emperor. Book 4 follows naturally (inevitably) from the events in the original series, and is even centered on a (wildly transformed version of) one of the main characters in Children, but it's completely different and very original, and deals with difficult concepts and themes.

I have a vague memory of really liking Dune Messiah, but it's been a long time. I agree that God Emperor of Dune was great.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 14, 2020, 12:46:47 PM


Is that last directed at me? By pointless, I mean where characters toss around important sounding bites of dialog that don't really impact the story or tell you anything. "Every legend has a beginning" (Not from the movie, but as an example of the kind of thing I'm talking about..)



Talking about philosophy, history, psychology, etc at least has some kind of point he's trying to get across.

I have to disagree again. Some of the snippets you hear are bits and pieces of some of the most famous quotes from the book.

Quote from: Trond on September 14, 2020, 02:41:37 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 14, 2020, 12:46:47 PM


Is that last directed at me? By pointless, I mean where characters toss around important sounding bites of dialog that don't really impact the story or tell you anything. "Every legend has a beginning" (Not from the movie, but as an example of the kind of thing I'm talking about..)



Talking about philosophy, history, psychology, etc at least has some kind of point he's trying to get across.

I have to disagree again. Some of the snippets you hear are bits and pieces of some of the most famous quotes from the book.

I acually had that discussion with my brother. Besides the Gom Jabbar scene, and the litany against fear, can you name any specifically? The litany is like the Dune version of "May the Force be with you" and I totally expected that. The Gom Jabbar scene stuck out for me because all the rest of the trailer dialog sounded like hollywood tripe.

No, I read the book more than 20 years ago, but those immediately rung a bell, and they are pretty prominent in the trailer. Another conversation is about Paul starting to foresee things before they happen, which is a theme throughout the whole series. I also remember the "mood" of the book, and personally it sort of rung true again. The book had a lot of inner dialogue, less action (though it looks like there will be some action, which is great). The only phrase that seemed out of place was something about destiny, but that was just written on the trailer, not said by any character.

I read the books by Frank Herbert and one by Brian Herbert, which i liked but did not follow on.
Dune and its sequels are worth the read in my opinion but if you expect a faithfull adaptaion i doubt it will happen.

Even the movie by Lynch did some things diffrently, i found the ending funny considering how it would spell total disaster for the heroes, probably not what Lynch was going for.

Now the books were something else, i agree with Ratman view on the first three telling the main story.

I liked the others for its continuation and i found it sad it did not get an ending it deserved because of Frank Herberts death. Same case as with Roger Zelazny.
To sum it up, i recommend reading the first book, if you can power through you will be satisfied. Its a calssic for a good reason.

Quote from: Warder on September 15, 2020, 05:48:22 PM
Even the movie by Lynch did some things diffrently, i found the ending funny considering how it would spell total disaster for the heroes, probably not what Lynch was going for.

Yep. Because water is posionous to the sandworms and rain on Arrakis would destroy the spice. An actual plot point of the first book where Paul was going to use a chain reaction to kill off the whole ecosystem as a threat to the other galactic powers.
I liked Lynch's film, but some parts of the adaptation were not so good.