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Dr Who? WHO? WHAT? MASSIVE SPOILER!

Started by Biscuitician, July 16, 2017, 11:37:46 AM

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Koltar

#180
July 28, 2017, 01:02:41 AM
Quote from: Dumarest;978892You could always do as I do with Star Trek: pretend everything made after the series you enjoyed was never made and don't watch it. As far as I'm concerned The New Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager, etc. never happened.

Wow, you are stuck in the past.....

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Voros

#181
July 28, 2017, 01:30:21 AM
Quote from: Dumarest;978892You could always do as I do with Star Trek: pretend everything made after the series you enjoyed was never made and don't watch it. As far as I'm concerned The New Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager, etc. never happened.

The second half of Deep Space 9 is probably the best written Trek material for TV there is.

Spinachcat

#182
July 28, 2017, 01:34:19 AM
Quote from: Nexus;978656Damn and I thought the Trekkie arguments over who was 'objectively' better Jean Luc Picard or James T. Kitrk were strange. :)

There is one true captain and his name is Kirk and played by the Shat!! :)


Quote from: Dumarest;978892You could always do as I do with Star Trek: pretend everything made after the series you enjoyed was never made and don't watch it. As far as I'm concerned The New Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager, etc. never happened.

There is some perfectly good sci-fi in those series. It's not Classic Star Trek, but they can be enjoyed for what they are.

Kinda like the reboots.


Quote from: jeff37923;978945You know, if this is just a publicity stunt, then why make the Doctor a woman? Why not just make the Doctor regenerate into a Dalek or a Cyberman?

The lack of Daleks or Cybermen in the viewing audience?

Voros

#183
July 28, 2017, 01:55:41 AM
Quote from: Voros;978626Never got into Dr. Who. Remember the show being on TV as a kid and loving the Daleks and imitating their call to 'Destroy!' but I don't remember a single episode.

Haha just realized that it is 'EXTERMINATE!' not destroy. Shows you how well I remember it.

In other Dr. Who news...

Baeraad

#184
July 28, 2017, 03:05:12 AM
This news makes me want to watch the show again! :D

Oh, not the female Doctor. That's okay, I guess. But more importantly, there's a new showrunner? The Moffat is gone? Why was I not informed?!

Okay, so I realise of course that I might turn out to hate the new showrunner also. But at least now there's hope! :D
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Anon Adderlan

#185
July 28, 2017, 04:59:35 AM
Now if only we could get a #LesbianDalek.

I mean there was that spinoff in 2005, but it isn't #Canon.

Quote from: Nexus;978525On a different note, didn't someone mention that many of those that didn't like the new female Doctor were women or was that a hypothetical?

Check the #YouTubes. It's about 50/50.

Quote from: Spinachcat;978535I love how Ursula Le Guin is now not PC enough to appease today's liberals!!

I know, right?

Quote from: Biscuitician;978643The Master chose to regenerate into a female gender body,

No he didn't. That change of gender was completely unintentional, and if he had a choice he'd certainly not have regenerated into anything like #Missy.

It's interesting you think he did though.

Nexus

#186
July 28, 2017, 06:04:40 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;978535Patriarchy!

Basically, flavored with something like Ingrained Misogyny, the usual slapped on women that don't happen to agree with what they're 'supposed' to like or dislike that boils down to "The poor dears obviously aren't smart enough to form the right opinions."

QuoteOr Lemon Cheesecake!

Cheesecake is the ultimate Evil.

QuoteOf course its a publicity stunt!

Stunt casting is always useful for publicity. Sometimes it works in ginning up attention for the show which translates into new viewers / customers. We'll know if the stunt worked if the new Who season does better than the last Who season. If viewer numbers go up, the stunt worked.

Yeah, The choice is breaking with a decades long casting custom in a way that fits with a currently popular cultural trend. Its a stunt or a statement, but sounds more like stunt. And there's nothing wrong with that. Its a television show and needs to scare up new viewers and keep it fresh for the current ones. It can be handled well and poorly which remains to be seen. And like any stunt or sudden change or break from tradition there's going to be some that aren't happy with it.
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jeff37923

#187
July 28, 2017, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;978954The lack of Daleks or Cybermen in the viewing audience?

After reading this thread, can you be sure?
"Meh."

san dee jota

#188
July 28, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: Baeraad;978970This news makes me want to watch the show again! :D

Oh, not the female Doctor. That's okay, I guess. But more importantly, there's a new showrunner? The Moffat is gone? Why was I not informed?!

Okay, so I realise of course that I might turn out to hate the new showrunner also. But at least now there's hope! :D

Honestly, the last series was decent.  It took some old villains and updated them in an effective manner, had the Doctor be competent rather than subservient to his Companions, had some stories set in the past (gasp!), and had some suitably family-friendly horror moments.  It felt like oldWho.  Missy was retconned to be his old friend and going good for reasons never suitably explained, there was a subplot with Bill's mother that seemed rushed.  Honestly... it felt like Moffat decided to leave around episode 3 or so, and truncated some of the storylines he wanted to play with.  Still, it was probably the best Capaldi series on the whole, and one of the better series for nuWho so far.

And yes, I didn't like Moffat's run either.

TrippyHippy

#189
July 28, 2017, 05:37:14 PM
I think Moffat has been a good developer of the show - I actually liked the earlier episodes of the 11th Doctor the best though - and there has been some good episodes with Peter Capaldi. Some other episodes were a bit weak, but the overarching themes and plots were fine.
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Ratman_tf

#190
July 28, 2017, 08:51:07 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;978922Well, Shatner gets those confused as well.

What other great roles of his did you have in mind as a counter-example to "KhAAAAAAN!"?

I know it's iconic, but holding up an example of Kirk acting, as an example of Shatner's acting, is kinda missing the point of that scene.

QuoteT.J. Hooker? The Mayor in Osmosis Jones?

I like Shatner...in comedies...but in a serious role as anything other than Kirk?

Shatner isn't an actor, he is a comedian. He was great in Third Rock from the Sun and Airplane 2, but I think most people wouldn't label him a good actor.

I'd say Shatner is as good an actor as 99% (number pulled out of my ass, of course) of big name modern actors in movies and TV.
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Bedrockbrendan

#191
July 28, 2017, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;979165I know it's iconic, but holding up an example of Kirk acting, as an example of Shatner's acting, is kinda missing the point of that scene.
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I like the movie and have seen it enough to understand the context, but I still don't think the acting is very good there. I am sure there is an elaborate internet argument for why Shatner is actually a good actor. I have seen him in enough things to conclude he isn't. I think he is great playing Kirk. He is quite good at comedy. There is more to being in movies and television than simply being a good actor. But I just can't call the man a good actor. And definitely wouldn't put him at the same level as Patrick Stewart in that respect. I think there are plenty of reasonable arguments to be made for why original series is better than next generation, or why Kirk is better than Picard. I think Shatner's acting would be a bad place to begin with that though.

Voros

#192
July 29, 2017, 02:23:05 AM Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 02:25:50 AM by Voros
To be fair Shatner hasn't been given much opportunity to do great roles on film so who knows what he is capable of?  

He did start off doing Shakespeare and Greek classics at Stratford and he was an understudy for Christopher Plummer so he must have shown some chops back then. Probably best to seek out the few leads he did for Alfred Hitchcock Presents to see what he could really do with dramatic material.

Anyone seem him as Alexei in the film version of The Brothers Karamazov or The Intruder and The Outrage? They all pop up on TCM now and then but I haven't checked them out.
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