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[Dr. Who] Who's Back

Started by Ghost Whistler, September 01, 2012, 01:48:13 PM

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Ghost Whistler

#45
September 30, 2012, 04:12:37 PM
Quote from: Ladybird;587858It broke an Angel rule during the intro - the two in the corridor would have been able to see each other (A rule which was the entire resolution of Blink, so pretty fundamental to the concept).

That rule was broken consistently and entirely throughout. There was almost never a point where an angel couldn't be seen by something else, not only that but even so the protagonists were forever turning their backs on them, including the giant statue of libertangel.
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Ghost Whistler

#46
September 30, 2012, 04:14:28 PM
Quote from: beejazz;587873The book said River's wrist was broken. That didn't mean that her wrist had to be broken. All it meant was that someone had to lie when the book was written.

People observed written words, so only the written words should have been fixed in time.
The book also could have said "hey doc, meet us tuesday in San Francisco and pick us up there."

Why on earth they couldn't have been rescued is beyond me since he knew exactly where they were and when and had already used the past to send a message into that point to River via the medium of pottery.

Oh Stephen Moffat, how the mighty have fallen. Stick to Sherlock, that was worth watching at least. This isn't.
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Ladybird

#47
September 30, 2012, 04:18:49 PM Last Edit: September 30, 2012, 04:21:13 PM by Ladybird
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;587876That rule was broken consistently and entirely throughout. There was almost never a point where an angel couldn't be seen by something else, not only that but even so the protagonists were forever turning their backs on them, including the giant statue of libertangel.

I figured it was only worth mentioning the first, although I refuse to believe there is ever a time in NY where nobody is looking at the statue.

If you say a monster is scary because of rules x, y and z, you need to follow the rules. Else it's just scary because you said so. That's what has happened to the Angels, and why anything Angel-related past them moving on screen was bad.
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John Morrow

#48
October 03, 2012, 11:26:31 PM
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;587876That rule was broken consistently and entirely throughout. There was almost never a point where an angel couldn't be seen by something else, not only that but even so the protagonists were forever turning their backs on them, including the giant statue of libertangel.

Not to mention that the Statue of Liberty isn't made of stone.  It's hollow and made of copper.  Yeah, maybe I'm being charitable comparing it to fanfic.
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Ghost Whistler

#49
October 04, 2012, 03:56:22 AM
weren't the anges supposed to only turn to stone when they were seen. Not that they possess statues that happen to be present and then move around like bizarre chess pieces.
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Ladybird

#50
October 04, 2012, 08:31:53 AM
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;589155weren't the anges supposed to only turn to stone when they were seen. Not that they possess statues that happen to be present and then move around like bizarre chess pieces.

It somewhat implies that, one day in the Whoniverse, the Statue of Liberty either just appeared on Liberty Island (And nobody really noticed) or it had been there for goddess-knows-how-long (And nobody cared enough to investigate).

Also, the image of an Angel is itself an Angel. Quite a well-known statue, is Liberty. If you've ever been to NY, or seen anything set in NY... I'd guess that at least 90% of the western world has an image of the statue somewhere in their house.

Them not always taking the generic angel form was neat, though. It was always somewhat implied, but this time it was outright stated.
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Ghost Whistler

#51
October 04, 2012, 09:41:03 AM
According to Blink they are 'quantum locked' they turn to stone as soon as they are seen. It's a defence mechanism because 'you can't kill stone'. Although you can smash it up.
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Ladybird

#52
October 04, 2012, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;589201According to Blink they are 'quantum locked' they turn to stone as soon as they are seen. It's a defence mechanism because 'you can't kill stone'. Although you can smash it up.

You can do a lot of very nasty things to "stone".
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John Morrow

#53
October 04, 2012, 08:54:14 PM
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;589155weren't the anges supposed to only turn to stone when they were seen. Not that they possess statues that happen to be present and then move around like bizarre chess pieces.

Yes, and my point is that the Statue of Liberty is not stone.  It's copper over a frame.  Seriously, the more I think about it, the more terrible the whole episode becomes.  I'm guessing the audience isn't supposed to think about it too much because everyone involved in producing the episode certainly didn't bother to think it through.
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Ghost Whistler

#54
October 05, 2012, 08:24:30 AM
That's the problem with Moffat. He's absolutely sacrificed details for cool. The dialogue is rubbish, as it's trying to be cool (you can see similar traits in Blink), trying to sound fun/hip/interesting. Story has gone out the window; last season was a mess. The silence thing never got resolved. River Song is still a pain in the ass. It's just...meh.
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Ladybird

#55
October 05, 2012, 04:46:35 PM
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;589418That's the problem with Moffat. He's absolutely sacrificed details for cool. The dialogue is rubbish, as it's trying to be cool (you can see similar traits in Blink), trying to sound fun/hip/interesting. Story has gone out the window; last season was a mess. The silence thing never got resolved. River Song is still a pain in the ass. It's just...meh.

I'm holding out hope that The Silence plot will get picked up again at a later point, when he's free of building up to getting rid of Amy and Rory. Pity about that third Pond, eh? I think we're stuck with her. We've seen her die properly, so they can just use her as much as they like (Until the actress gets too old).

I'm pretty sure I'll be disappointed re: the Silence, though.
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Bradford C. Walker

#56
October 05, 2012, 10:26:47 PM
Quote from: Ghost Whistler;589418That's the problem with Moffat. He's absolutely sacrificed details for cool. The dialogue is rubbish, as it's trying to be cool (you can see similar traits in Blink), trying to sound fun/hip/interesting. Story has gone out the window; last season was a mess. The silence thing never got resolved. River Song is still a pain in the ass. It's just...meh.
Moffat publicly disavowed the need to maintain continuity between episodes, so a lot of this shit should be put at his feet.  Speaking of feet, they need to be put to the fire until he gets off his high horse and starts paying due respect to continuity (and the consistency it brings) once more.  He needs an editor, one that doesn't by his bullshit- one with the power (and the BBC can make it so) to tell him "No."

Kaiu Keiichi

#57
October 25, 2012, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;589561Moffat publicly disavowed the need to maintain continuity between episodes, so a lot of this shit should be put at his feet.  Speaking of feet, they need to be put to the fire until he gets off his high horse and starts paying due respect to continuity (and the consistency it brings) once more.  He needs an editor, one that doesn't by his bullshit- one with the power (and the BBC can make it so) to tell him "No."

The BBC only cares about one thing - ratings.  As long as Moffat continues to bring in the ratings they could care less what he does with the show.

Also, even at it's best, Dr Who was never a continuity-heavy show.  But, Russell T Davies was responsible for a lot of this wahoo-over the top stuff.  And while I adore Alex Kingston, the River Song character does get on my nerves.
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Ladybird

#58
October 25, 2012, 01:33:19 PM
Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;589561consistency

Lols. Who continuity was always made up as it went along, by what the writers wanted to use in a particular storyline. The only thing each oldWho serial / newWho episode is consistent with, is itself; everything else was fluid, bought back when required and ignored if not.

River Song is still shit, though.
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jadrax

#59
December 26, 2012, 10:27:56 AM
Really enjoyed the Christmas special, especially seeing the links into older continuity.
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