It never hurt to ask, the worst answer that you can get is a no in the end.

I'm still surprised that people keep thinking that appealing a ruling equals admitting guilt.

It doesnt have to mean that, IMHO it just show an open minded view and a willingness to rethink previous decisions.

If you want to, yes.
If you're just using it as an excuse to show how much the mods oppress you, just continue to whine here about it like the others.

I have no problems with the mods over on RPGnet myself, so Im not whining here.

Quote from: Roger Calver;231276I have no problems with the mods over on RPGnet myself, so Im not whining here.

Likewise. But after hanging out at RPGnet since '04, I can easily enough imagine how frustrating suddenly being cut off from posting there might feel.

Quote from: Roger Calver;231276I have no problems with the mods over on RPGnet myself, so Im not whining here.

'whining'?

What a lovely attitude.

Quote from: Roger Calver;231257Like Bill said before me, their just people and can and will make bad calls, the big question is how they then go and either fix that mistake or prevent something like it happening again in the future, its not easy to be fair but a good mod has to be fair and flexible not a hard arse like a few of the RPGnet ones (no names needed here).

Rog.

IME rpgnet don't deal with it. Once you're banned that's it. You don't get a chance to appeal or talk to anyone because you can't log in to the forums. All you can do is send an email to the admin who don't listen and don't bother to even respond.

So the measure of a mod may well be in how they deal with a situation, but the rpgnet mods fall well short.

My gripe is that it's one rule for them and their mates, and another for others.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;231290IME rpgnet don't deal with it. Once you're banned that's it. You don't get a chance to appeal or talk to anyone because you can't log in to the forums. All you can do is send an email to the admin who don't listen and don't bother to even respond.

Hmm, Hague and Skarka just came back and if you think they are buddies of RPGNet Mods...well, you have a different definition of buddy.

Also, there have been others but I will grant you that it is not a common occurance. Perma-bans should not be over turned. Temp bans are for a limited duration so it is hard to get action fast enough to make a difference but I have seen them commuted or reversed outright as well. Again, not often but it happens.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;231290So the measure of a mod may well be in how they deal with a situation, but the rpgnet mods fall well short.

My gripe is that it's one rule for them and their mates, and another for others.

I disagree. Some do. I find Darren to be an excellent example of a mod who uses the now accepted "passive aggressive" attacks combined with just a bit of slack from being a mod. He used to just use his power as a mod to insult you as he red texted you making any retaliation and banning offense. Again, this seems to be a baiting issue.

Now, to go to the other end of the spectrum, Dan Davenport I have almost always found reasonable. Cessna has gone through a lot of change. The biggest thing I always liked about him was a clarity of where one stood with him. Yeah, it might be at the short end of the stick but you knew you were at the short end of the stick. The others I have little opinion on. Curt, during his time as a mod, I avoided like the plague. He seemed to have carte blanche and used it like a mad man with a machete.

So, you have good and bad. That was what I was trying to get at on the other thread was a review of how they pick mods. Darren and Curt were examples of epic fail. Dan and Levi, IMO, were examples of the process working.

Bill

CLARIFICATION: I did nopt threaten legal action. I made a sarcastic comment in a PM.

That was last November.

A lot has happened , maybe they've mellowed , maybe I have.

Still, some of you make some good points.



- Ed

Quote from: JongWK;231265I'm still surprised that people keep thinking that appealing a ruling equals admitting guilt.

That's what a successful appeal generally involves. You don't just say, "Can I come back?" and they say "Yes" or "No". There's a conversation, a back-and-forth, in which you discuss the things which got you banned last time, and you explain to them why it'd be different this time. In every account we've seen described of successful appeals, we're told that the person said some combination of "I'm sorry" and "I've changed" and "I will avoid the topics which made me angry and say nasty things last time" and "I think I can now be a productive member of this community, unlike before".

I mean, do you think they're going to say, "sorry, just a misunderstanding"? After a permaban? After - in some cases - years? Either it was wrong to ban you in the first place, or it was right to ban you, but now you're sorry for your misdeeds. Otherwise, why would they unban you? So you can do the same stuff that got you banned last time?

So your appeal doesn't have to involve remorse except if you want it to succeed.

Quote from: Koltar;231337CLARIFICATION: I did nopt threaten legal action. I made a sarcastic comment in a PM.

That was last November.

A lot has happened , maybe they've mellowed , maybe I have.

Still, some of you make some good points.



- Ed

Don't rationalize Ed. I am saying this in good faith. You need to look at it from their point of view if you wish to succeed. Sarcastic or not, did you threaten leagal action? If so, I do not think mellowing will make any difference. Skotos will most likely toe a hard line. You saying "Sorry, I wont do it again" might work but I coudl see it well within the mods/admins purview to say "Sorry, Skotos says no way".

It will be a long shot is all I am saying. Also, do it if you want it. You definitely wont have a successful appeal if you do not try.

I wouldn't really bother Ed unless you want to go back for the poster/hot chick threads in tangency. The signal to noise ratio on the RP open board is getting better, but I think you would get better results by asking questions/starting discussions here or on game specific message boards (COTI, Mongoose, SJG).

Personally, I'm not going to ask for reinstatement. I read the forums regularly and I never feel the urge to post, so what would be the point? Heck, even here my postcount is absurdly low.

Quote from: Koltar;231337CLARIFICATION: I did nopt threaten legal action. I made a sarcastic comment in a PM.

I think it was clear that your comment was made in jest and only a humorless reader looking for offense would have thought otherwise.  If there was any question, they could have asked, "Are you seriously threatening us with legal action?"