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D&D Movie is not going to tank

Started by FingerRod, March 17, 2023, 07:42:28 PM

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Trond

#60
April 13, 2023, 12:42:25 AM
For the general audience D&D: Honor Among Thieves has one main thing going for it: it is actually quite funny. For RPG enthusiasts it also has some plot points that seem like they could have been taken straight out of an actual game/campaign. Some of the solutions the characters come up with are very reminiscent of RPG PC thinking. Other than that, I thought that it in some ways looked a bit "bad taste" (which would have been much worse if it took itself too seriously). It does have that annoying modern Hollywood tendency to "deconstruct" gender norms (so the greatest fighter is a woman) and randomly mix skin colors.

GeekyBugle

#61
April 13, 2023, 01:04:33 AM
Quote from: Trond on April 13, 2023, 12:42:25 AM
For the general audience D&D: Honor Among Thieves has one main thing going for it: it is actually quite funny. For RPG enthusiasts it also has some plot points that seem like they could have been taken straight out of an actual game/campaign. Some of the solutions the characters come up with are very reminiscent of RPG PC thinking. Other than that, I thought that it in some ways looked a bit "bad taste" (which would have been much worse if it took itself too seriously). It does have that annoying modern Hollywood tendency to "deconstruct" gender norms (so the greatest fighter is a woman) and randomly mix skin colors.

Why is it PG13? Too much swearing?
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Trond

#62
April 13, 2023, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 13, 2023, 01:04:33 AM
Quote from: Trond on April 13, 2023, 12:42:25 AM
For the general audience D&D: Honor Among Thieves has one main thing going for it: it is actually quite funny. For RPG enthusiasts it also has some plot points that seem like they could have been taken straight out of an actual game/campaign. Some of the solutions the characters come up with are very reminiscent of RPG PC thinking. Other than that, I thought that it in some ways looked a bit "bad taste" (which would have been much worse if it took itself too seriously). It does have that annoying modern Hollywood tendency to "deconstruct" gender norms (so the greatest fighter is a woman) and randomly mix skin colors.

Why is it PG13? Too much swearing?

No idea. I didn't notice anything like that.

hedgehobbit

#63
April 13, 2023, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 13, 2023, 01:04:33 AMWhy is it PG13? Too much swearing?

They did what they did with Uncharted, just have the characters say "shit" enough times and you get PG-13. It has become so common that most people watching probably didn't even notice. I only notice because I've got kids.

It is funny to watch how cussing in movies exploded. In Ghostbusters, from 1984, there is not cussing. I watched it with my kids (they didn't understand the key parts). But a year later, Back to the Future is just loaded with F-bombs. It's almost constant. I wonder what changed over that time period.

GeekyBugle

#64
April 13, 2023, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 13, 2023, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 13, 2023, 01:04:33 AMWhy is it PG13? Too much swearing?

They did what they did with Uncharted, just have the characters say "shit" enough times and you get PG-13. It has become so common that most people watching probably didn't even notice. I only notice because I've got kids.

It is funny to watch how cussing in movies exploded. In Ghostbusters, from 1984, there is not cussing. I watched it with my kids (they didn't understand the key parts). But a year later, Back to the Future is just loaded with F-bombs. It's almost constant. I wonder what changed over that time period.

I've got no problem with swearing per se, just have it be justified, when your dialogue is F-Bombs left right and center the word looses impact. Also the hero shouldn't really swear IMHO.

But beyond my unsolicited opinions it's dumb, by needlessly injecting filthy language you cut yourself out of a big market.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Ratman_tf

#65
April 14, 2023, 02:39:48 AM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 13, 2023, 12:07:15 PM
It is funny to watch how cussing in movies exploded. In Ghostbusters, from 1984, there is not cussing. I watched it with my kids (they didn't understand the key parts). But a year later, Back to the Future is just loaded with F-bombs. It's almost constant. I wonder what changed over that time period.

Is it? I don't remember Back to the Future having the F-word at all, but maybe I just didn't notice.
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hedgehobbit

#66
April 14, 2023, 07:29:19 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 14, 2023, 02:39:48 AMIs it? I don't remember Back to the Future having the F-word at all, but maybe I just didn't notice.
Turns out my memory was faulty and they just said "shit" alot*. I guess it isn't a modern thing after all. Still, compared to Ghostbusters which had absolutely no cussing in it at all, Back to the Future was quite a shock. I had to turn it off after a few minutes because my kids were around 10 years old at the time.

Also, I checked and 1984 was the year that PG-13 was introduced so that might explain the drastic difference between the two movies.

*There's a video on YouTube called "Back to the Future Curse Count" that lists every one.

GeekyBugle

#67
April 15, 2023, 04:50:40 PM
Turns out that LotR: The Return of the King  re-release killed D&D: Honor Among Thieves.

Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

cavalier973

#68
April 15, 2023, 07:34:02 PM
I've been watching several reviews, and a lot of them were generally positive. Professor DM of Dungeoncraft definitely did not like it.

Ed Greenwood has a video where he lists five things that the movie got wrong (but he said he enjoyed the movie anyway). One thing interesting he said is that WoTC are not allowed to say what is and isn't canon in the FR without his written approval.

hedgehobbit

#69
April 16, 2023, 09:19:58 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 15, 2023, 04:50:40 PM
Turns out that LotR: The Return of the King  re-release killed D&D: Honor Among Thieves.

It looks like D&D will be the #7 movie this weekend and will barely reach $150 million by the end of it's run. So it will end up losing close to $100 million after all is said and done.

With D&D tanking and Super Mario breaking records, it really does show just how insignificant rating sites like Rotten Tomatoes are.

cavalier973

#70
April 16, 2023, 10:34:36 PM
Another review of the movie, this one by the lady at Dungeons & Discourse, posted April 1. She said it wasn't very good.

https://youtu.be/MwmWltEGJY4


*whistles innocently*

GeekyBugle

#71
April 17, 2023, 05:12:17 PM
Domestic Box Office    $74,248,871
International Box Office    $82,933,261
Worldwide Box Office    $157,182,132

Source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Dungeons-and-Dragons-Honor-Among-Thieves-(2023)#tab=summary

Budget: $151 million
Standard to break even 2.5X the budget: $378 million
Currently losing: 378-157 = $221 million
https://screenrant.com/how-much-ant-man-wasp-quantumania-cost-to-make/
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Omega

#72
April 19, 2023, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 02:56:14 PM
In 1982, to portray Conan, they hired a five time Mr. Olympia winner. In 1995, to justify how 5' 10" Xena could defeat full grown men, they had to reveal that she is the daughter of Ares, the God of War.

In 2023, a 5' 5" tall, 40+ year old yoga mom can be hired to play a D&D fighter and everyone says that this isn't wokeness. It shows just how far the Overton window has shifted.

Oh puh-lease. Women like in the D&D movie have been around quite a while. Just not as stupid as in the last 10 years when not some sort of sci-fi or supers show.

And D&D is one of the few settings it actually makes sense. I mean a 3ft tall person can beat up a 12ft tall ogre?

jhkim

#73
April 20, 2023, 01:02:42 AM
Quote from: Omega on April 19, 2023, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 02:56:14 PM
In 1982, to portray Conan, they hired a five time Mr. Olympia winner. In 1995, to justify how 5' 10" Xena could defeat full grown men, they had to reveal that she is the daughter of Ares, the God of War.

In 2023, a 5' 5" tall, 40+ year old yoga mom can be hired to play a D&D fighter and everyone says that this isn't wokeness. It shows just how far the Overton window has shifted.

Oh puh-lease. Women like in the D&D movie have been around quite a while. Just not as stupid as in the last 10 years when not some sort of sci-fi or supers show.

Yeah. In 1985, they had Brigitte Nielsen portraying Red Sonja as a strong fighter - not just in martial arts, but even in lifting. In the same year, Grace Jones was portrayed a tremendously strong rival of James Bond. It's not something new in 2023.

Fantasy movies have always had lots of unrealistic shit in them, including unrealistic fighters.

oggsmash

#74
April 20, 2023, 05:43:59 AM
Quote from: jhkim on April 20, 2023, 01:02:42 AM
Quote from: Omega on April 19, 2023, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 02:56:14 PM
In 1982, to portray Conan, they hired a five time Mr. Olympia winner. In 1995, to justify how 5' 10" Xena could defeat full grown men, they had to reveal that she is the daughter of Ares, the God of War.

In 2023, a 5' 5" tall, 40+ year old yoga mom can be hired to play a D&D fighter and everyone says that this isn't wokeness. It shows just how far the Overton window has shifted.

Oh puh-lease. Women like in the D&D movie have been around quite a while. Just not as stupid as in the last 10 years when not some sort of sci-fi or supers show.

Yeah. In 1985, they had Brigitte Nielsen portraying Red Sonja as a strong fighter - not just in martial arts, but even in lifting. In the same year, Grace Jones was portrayed a tremendously strong rival of James Bond. It's not something new in 2023.

Fantasy movies have always had lots of unrealistic shit in them, including unrealistic fighters.

  Red Sonja is 6 feet tall.  Grace's character was not in any way the same type of fighter as RBF rodriguez, she got man handled by Boombatta and had to be saved by Conan.   It was poor casting to put a tiny woman as the brute tossing men around.  Period.  Plenty of better choices, even if female to fill that role.
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