Quote"It's not woke except for a couple of scenes..."

This is the Entropy theory I use all the time.

"What do you get if you put a teaspoon of fine wine into a barrel of shit? You get a barrel of shit."

"What do you get if you put a teaspoon of shit into a barrel of fine wine? You get a barrel of shit."

You vastly overestimates power of shit tenbones.
Teaspoon? Alcohol gonna kill bacterias, rest will tank with natural vine sediment. No one will ever know the truth without laboratory expertise. Probably won't influence taste at all even for sommelier.

(Not even to mention all those old recipes that actually used some shit - like cherry "beer" from Belgium named kriek that before European Union demanded dreaded hygiene was fermented in large open barrels specifically so birds were shitting into it.

I am more irked at the usual outrage marketing they used.
It is dirty and it shows the director, producer, and other staff have no confidence in their product when they pull this stunt.

Quote from: Zelen on April 01, 2023, 08:54:33 AM
No thanks WOTC.

Ditto.

They have made what they think of their customers and the RPG hobby abundantly clear, so why support them?

Quote from: FingerRod on March 31, 2023, 07:51:11 PM
I just saw it. It isn't woke. It was fun.

It isn't going to tank.

The weekend numbers ended up around $38 million (domestic, $71.5 million worldwide). A bit better than the lowest estimates but it looks like it will struggle to break even and not lose money. Not sure what people generally assume "tanking" means so I can't say whether or not that is what is happening.

In 1982, to portray Conan, they hired a five time Mr. Olympia winner. In 1995, to justify how 5' 10" Xena could defeat full grown men, they had to reveal that she is the daughter of Ares, the God of War.

In 2023, a 5' 5" tall, 40+ year old yoga mom can be hired to play a D&D fighter and everyone says that this isn't wokeness. It shows just how far the Overton window has shifted.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 02:50:26 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on March 31, 2023, 07:51:11 PM
I just saw it. It isn't woke. It was fun.

It isn't going to tank.

The weekend numbers ended up around $38 million (domestic, $71.5 million worldwide). A bit better than the lowest estimates but it looks like it will struggle to break even and not lose money. Not sure what people generally assume "tanking" means so I can't say whether or not that is what is happening.

That is a lot more than a 'bit better'. The article that claimed it would struggle to clear 20 was way off. Hasbro has a shit ton of merchandise tied to this as well.

Look, I hate WotC as much as the next person. But it is a good movie. They will not lose money.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 02:56:14 PM
In 1982, to portray Conan, they hired a five time Mr. Olympia winner. In 1995, to justify how 5' 10" Xena could defeat full grown men, they had to reveal that she is the daughter of Ares, the God of War.

In 2023, a 5' 5" tall, 40+ year old yoga mom can be hired to play a D&D fighter and everyone says that this isn't wokeness. It shows just how far the Overton window has shifted.

This is how I know you'd rather grind an axe instead of maintain your credibility. Michelle Rodriguez is not the greatest actor of our time but she has be an action movie star for decades. She isn't a yoga mom. That is lunacy.

Quote from: FingerRod on April 02, 2023, 06:23:59 PM

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 02:56:14 PM
In 1982, to portray Conan, they hired a five time Mr. Olympia winner. In 1995, to justify how 5' 10" Xena could defeat full grown men, they had to reveal that she is the daughter of Ares, the God of War.

In 2023, a 5' 5" tall, 40+ year old yoga mom can be hired to play a D&D fighter and everyone says that this isn't wokeness. It shows just how far the Overton window has shifted.

This is how I know you'd rather grind an axe instead of maintain your credibility. Michelle Rodriguez is not the greatest actor of our time but she has be an action movie star for decades. She isn't a yoga mom. That is lunacy.

Correction, she has been casted in action movies (and other movies) for decades, she's NOT an Action Movie Star.

Examples of Action Movie Star:
Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Norris, Van Dame, Jackie Chan, Diesel, Eastwood, Snipes, Lundgreen, Angelina Jolie (Agent Salt, I would have loved a franchise), Jovovich, Gibson, Will Smith, Sigourney Weaver, Michelle Yeoh, Linda Hamilton, SL Jackson, Denzel, Pam Grier...

An Action Movie Star puts butts in seats by his/her name alone, no one has gone to see R&F BECAUSE of Michelle Rodriguez.

Quote from: FingerRod on April 02, 2023, 06:19:58 PMLook, I hate WotC as much as the next person. But it is a good movie. They will not lose money.

Creed 3 opened at $58 million, significantly higher than Honor Among Thieves, and also received good reviews. It is currently at $258 worldwide. The D&D movie needs to make around $375 million worldwide to break even. Right now there is little evidence that the D&D movie will vastly outperform Creed 3 going forward especially since it has to contend with Super Mario.

Honor Among Thieves may be a "good movie" but it is also a movie that cost $150 million to make (twice as much as Creed 3). It also cost more than John Wick 4 which opened at almost twice the box office.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 07:33:00 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on April 02, 2023, 06:19:58 PMLook, I hate WotC as much as the next person. But it is a good movie. They will not lose money.

Creed 3 opened at $58 million, significantly higher than Honor Among Thieves, and also received good reviews. It is currently at $258 worldwide. The D&D movie needs to make around $375 million worldwide to break even. Right now there is little evidence that the D&D movie will vastly outperform Creed 3 going forward especially since it has to contend with Super Mario.

Honor Among Thieves may be a "good movie" but it is also a movie that cost $150 million to make (twice as much as Creed 3). It also cost more than John Wick 4 which opened at almost twice the box office.

150 to make plus half as much in promotion, so 150+75=225 total budget, meaning it needs to make twice as much to break even, remember the theaters take a cut, so more like 450 million to break even, which it might do, IF it has legs and people keep going to see it so it drops less than usual in the second week, third week and so on.

Edited to add:

Creed has lost the Rocky fans, I doubt we'll see another movie, but I might be wrong.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 02, 2023, 07:39:40 PM150 to make plus half as much in promotion, so 150+75=225 total budget, meaning it needs to make twice as much to break even, remember the theaters take a cut, so more like 450 million to break even, which it might do, IF it has legs and people keep going to see it so it drops less than usual in the second week, third week and so on.

Last year only one movie opened at less than $40 million domestically and ended up making over $400 million worldwide: Puss n Boots. And that movie is considered an animation masterpiece. There were several movies that opened significantly higher than $40 million but struggling to get to $400 million worldwide: Uncharted, Black Adam, Sonic 2, and Secrets of Dumbledore.

So D&D could make money, but it isn't likely at this point.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 02, 2023, 08:16:49 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 02, 2023, 07:39:40 PM150 to make plus half as much in promotion, so 150+75=225 total budget, meaning it needs to make twice as much to break even, remember the theaters take a cut, so more like 450 million to break even, which it might do, IF it has legs and people keep going to see it so it drops less than usual in the second week, third week and so on.

Last year only one movie opened at less than $40 million domestically and ended up making over $400 million worldwide: Puss n Boots. And that movie is considered an animation masterpiece. There were several movies that opened significantly higher than $40 million but struggling to get to $400 million worldwide: Uncharted, Black Adam, Sonic 2, and Secrets of Dumbledore.

So D&D could make money, but it isn't likely at this point.

I'm not saying it is likely or that it isn't, I'm saying the smart money is in waiting to see how much it falls in the second weekend, then you can make an educated guess.

QuoteIn 1982, to portray Conan, they hired a five time Mr. Olympia winner. In 1995, to justify how 5' 10" Xena could defeat full grown men, they had to reveal that she is the daughter of Ares, the God of War.

In 2023, a 5' 5" tall, 40+ year old yoga mom can be hired to play a D&D fighter and everyone says that this isn't wokeness. It shows just how far the Overton window has shifted.

Greek mythology without any wokeness from their society had some female warriors in mythology. Including those without any divine blood - like Atalante or most Amazons. No need to fret over it.
Myth is not, and never was simulationist. If anything Xena writers overdone it with their convoluted pastiches of lore and forces.

  Michelle is NOT an action star in no way.  Her RBF and fact she can do a few push ups might make her seem super capable to couch potatoes or effeminate movie producers but she is not an action star.  However....I played the Tiny Teena expansion years ago in the borderlands 2 expansion and it was freaking hilarious and great for several of the meta interactions.  So if that movie has a scene (even if it a deleted one) where they cut to a table of people playing the movie out at a table and the player controlling MR character is a huge overweight dude sucking down mt dew and stuffing cheetos in his face....I will say that makes it work for me....especially if he constantly lobbies to allow his uber female warrior to hit on every bar maid in the game.

Quote from: oggsmash on April 03, 2023, 05:49:17 AM....especially if he constantly lobbies to allow his uber female warrior to hit on every bar maid in the game.

I don't know whether to feel relieved that this has happened to someone besides myself, or disappointed that it happens often enough to become a stereotype.