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« on: October 14, 2019, 10:49:11 AM »
Any opinions? Worth giving a look? I'm pretty hit or miss on the CW superhero shows.
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2019, 01:18:50 PM »
Massive miss. It is very Feminist Agenda'd and I am pretty damn tired of the posturing and "Im better than any man!" screed these things love to push. The advertisements for it were like they wanted it to fail. Makes no sense.
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2019, 05:35:14 PM »
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Massive miss. It is very Feminist Agenda'd and I am pretty damn tired of the posturing and "Im better than any man!" screed these things love to push. The advertisements for it were like they wanted it to fail. Makes no sense.

The advertisements were over the top, but the show itself is far less so (and certainly less than Supergirl). I'm not certain how it will fare by the end of the season, but for now, it's as good as Arrow or Flash (take that as faint praise).

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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2019, 01:08:35 AM »
A soap opera with a very thin paint cover of superhero show, yeah thanks no thanks. Hard pass.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2019, 10:46:45 PM »
Can't spell cringeworthy without CW.

Saw the first episode. It's a dumpster fire.

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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2019, 08:40:33 AM »
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A soap opera with a very thin paint cover of superhero show, yeah thanks no thanks. Hard pass.


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Can't spell cringeworthy without CW.

Saw the first episode. It's a dumpster fire.


What put you off on the show?
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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2019, 12:19:32 PM »
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What put you off on the show?

I think they just told you.  It is a trashy soap opera that disguised itself as a superhero show.  Also it is woke so it should go broke.

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2019, 01:58:31 PM »
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I think they just told you.  It is a trashy soap opera that disguised itself as a superhero show.  Also it is woke so it should go broke.

 I was hoping to get some details beyond its a 'dumpster fire' and 'cringe worthy" and what was meant by too soap opera.
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2019, 02:24:34 PM »
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I was hoping to get some details beyond its a 'dumpster fire' and 'cringe worthy" and what was meant by too soap opera.

I'll again say that it is no worse (nor better really) than the other CW superhero shows like Arrow and Flash. I think it needs to build out the secondary characters quickly because the core character is, like always in these shows, one of the least interesting roles. If it's a soap opera, then that's a complaint that fits all of these shows. As far as cringe goes, I thought the clips shown for it were pretty over the top with the "I'm a woman! And a lesbian! (And...that's really all that's interesting about me)" along with gratuitous camera time on Ruby Rose's ass under an oversized cape. The show itself doesn't focus all that much on any of that, but it does tie an event related to her sexual orientation into her backstory, both in general and with a specific character. She also makes a few "I'm a woman!" quips, but they don't stand out all that much and the show seems far less woke to me than Supergirl. The scene where she wants the Batman suit made perfect "for a woman" is hilarious because the Batsuit already has tits on it. Apparently Bruce Wayne had a bout of gynecomastia.

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2019, 03:58:03 PM »
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I'll again say that it is no worse (nor better really) than the other CW superhero shows like Arrow and Flash. I think it needs to build out the secondary characters quickly because the core character is, like always in these shows, one of the least interesting roles. If it's a soap opera, then that's a complaint that fits all of these shows. As far as cringe goes, I thought the clips shown for it were pretty over the top with the "I'm a woman! And a lesbian! (And...that's really all that's interesting about me)" along with gratuitous camera time on Ruby Rose's ass under an oversized cape. The show itself doesn't focus all that much on any of that, but it does tie an event related to her sexual orientation into her backstory, both in general and with a specific character. She also makes a few "I'm a woman!" quips, but they don't stand out all that much and the show seems far less woke to me than Supergirl. The scene where she wants the Batman suit made perfect "for a woman" is hilarious because the Batsuit already has tits on it. Apparently Bruce Wayne had a bout of gynecomastia.


Thanks. I liked the Flash and Arrow so I might check it out just to give it a chance. Honestly what I guess where the soap opera aspects appealed to me (they do with comics such Spiderman too) I can sort of feel you on "I am Woman, hear me roar!" type lines they can stick out like sore thumbs and feel forced (There's one in Dark Phoenix that really felt like it came out of nowhere. I chalked it up to Raven being pissed and really wanting to say something to hurt Charles who considered himself pretty egalitarian). I expected more of big time Women Rule vibe from Wonder Women: Bloodlines but was pleasantly surprised. There was some but a story focusing on female character and likely aimed at drawing in female audience its to be expected and it didn't beat you over the head with it.

And, yeah Batbboobs have been a thing for awhile. :D '
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2019, 04:14:47 PM »
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It is a trashy soap opera that disguised itself as a superhero show.  Also it is woke so it should go broke.
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I'll again say that it is no worse (nor better really) than the other CW superhero shows like Arrow and Flash. I think it needs to build out the secondary characters quickly because the core character is, like always in these shows, one of the least interesting roles. If it's a soap opera, then that's a complaint that fits all of these shows.
OK, I watched the pilot last night. I agree that all of the recent DC television shows that I've seen (Arrow, Flash, Supergirl, Black Lightning) have been very pointedly soap opera. Batwoman strikes me as blandly fitting this mold. It seems significantly less political than Black Lightning or Supergirl, though Supergirl is more intentionally light-hearted and silly.

I was curious about Arrow years ago and watched a season or two, along with Supergirl - the others I only sampled. I mostly watched them out of curiosity more than finding them compelling. Black Lightning struck me as a dumpster fire, while Batwoman seemed more like a bland rehashing of Arrow.

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2019, 05:34:33 PM »
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OK, I watched the pilot last night. I agree that all of the recent DC television shows that I've seen (Arrow, Flash, Supergirl, Black Lightning) have been very pointedly soap opera. Batwoman strikes me as blandly fitting this mold. It seems significantly less political than Black Lightning or Supergirl, though Supergirl is more intentionally light-hearted and silly.

I was curious about Arrow years ago and watched a season or two, along with Supergirl - the others I only sampled. I mostly watched them out of curiosity more than finding them compelling. Black Lightning struck me as a dumpster fire, while Batwoman seemed more like a bland rehashing of Arrow.

Thanks. I never felt the urge to really check out Black Lightning, sounds like my instincts were right there. What was up with it?
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2019, 05:36:12 PM »
It seems like after the trailers got alot of backlash from fans of the characters they did apparently tone it down a bit.

I am still waiting to have a look at the Teen Titans series but the character designs for Raven and Starfire seem a bit... off... and Beast Boy not sure on. Looks good once it gets rolling from what little I've seen. But is it just me or do they transition events a little oddly?

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2019, 06:58:53 PM »
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Thanks. I never felt the urge to really check out Black Lightning, sounds like my instincts were right there. What was up with it?
It just seemed bad on many levels, I felt based on two episodes. Wooden dialog, bad production values, indifferent direction. I hesitate to comment on the acting given how bad the dialog was.

Batwoman at least makes an effort at visual style -- it plays up a bleak post-Batman Gotham, and pulls in a bunch of angles. The plot is bland melodramatic, but the dialog was at least better (on par with the other series, it seemed to me - which isn't great). The actors managed some good moments - Dougray Scott stood out to me, and I thought Ruby Rose was decent.

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2019, 09:32:22 PM »
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I was hoping to get some details beyond its a 'dumpster fire' and 'cringe worthy" and what was meant by too soap opera.


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