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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2007, 11:02:09 AM »
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Sounds like he needs less talking about gaming, and more gaming. But that's most of us ;)

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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2007, 11:05:07 AM »
The real issue isn't that it happened, though hooray that it did, but the fact that it ONLY happened because people like Jimbob and myself made a point of making the attempted Cover-up impossible.

You think anything has really changed on there?! For fuck's sake, they tried to cover it up. They edited out his comments to try to hide the horrible thing he said, to keep him as a mod.

If anything, they've gotten worse. What this has proved, however, is that the modclique's remaining need not to look like total hypocrites could just be their one weakness. This isn't the first sacrificial lamb they've had to offer up to try to pretend they're "Fair and balanced".  Let's make sure its not the last.

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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2007, 11:15:28 AM »
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Curt's post about this tells us that he'd rather not post at all than post as a user not a mod.


Even if everyone didn't already know it, I think this says a lot about Curt's character and his motivations for posting on RPGnet.

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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2007, 11:22:14 AM »
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Honestly, Curt should never have been a mod. There were people who said as much. The next one they should get rid of is Darren. Those two were (and are) prime examples of people who have too many issues to be worried about policing others.


I dunno.  Everyone has their buttons, everyone has their issues.  The real root of the problem seemed to be the fact that you can't call mods on their own crap over there.  It's normal human nature to act like a dick when you're feeling bulletproof.

Someone upthread suggested that the consultation system we use here ought to be adopted by RPGnet.  I disagree.  They're too big to solve their problems that way.  A consultation thread would go on for freakin' ever, with a hundred people trying to say their piece.
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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2007, 11:22:57 AM »
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Oh yeah  he's gay . (he kept reminding us all the time)

So..... do you think he'd really register over here?

....or not?


I don't know.  It depends on if he feels this site would have a supporting group for his heterophobic soapbox and general persecution complex.

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« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2007, 11:23:45 AM »
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Rather the opposite, I think. I wonder why they did it.


Removing Curt as mod?

He was one of the most contested. With good reason, IMO. You have to work pretty hard to be more disagreeable than a guy like MacLennan and he succeeded.

The calls were erratic but worse than that, he was the least receptive to Trouble Tickets discussions.

Finally, he was himself out of line as a poster more often than not. That's not even taking his abyssmal record before becoming a mod.


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The moderation environment at TBP is such because that's the way they like it.


Depends what you mean.

I think you have a low opinion of the moderation over there but frankly, I think he was a really bad apple in the lot. Kind of an embarassment from the first day he was named to the last.  

As for the user base? Well, I know there are people who are more vocal than others (yourself being one) but it's pretty clear to me that he was contested.

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That describes the majority of the moderation staff over there. You take a good poster, make him a mod, and within days he's using his mod voice to  sarcastically put down people as he closes threads, etc.. If you call them on it, they tell you how hard moderation is and excuse their behavior by saying they're just volunteers.


I haven't really noticed. People like Curt and Darren were assholes before being moderators and still are. People like Levi and Davenport were awesome people and I think they did a great moderation job.

I suppose it's the same for pretty much every moderator but like I said, I didn't really notice.

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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2007, 11:58:55 AM »
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but the fact that it ONLY happened because people like Jimbob and myself made a point of making the attempted Cover-up impossible.

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Nice try, but there were people talking about that insult in the very thread in which it was issued. Not quoted, of course, but mentioned in full in the posts.

Still, there's no need to insult a guy who's left another forum, no matter how ansty he may have been.

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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2007, 12:14:10 PM »
So they did a crappy cover up. That just proves they're incompetent as well as corrupt.

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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2007, 12:22:20 PM »
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Still, there's no need to insult a guy who's left another forum, no matter how ansty he may have been.


Dude, It's Pundit's raison d'etre!

I see these recent events as evidence (again) of how Tangency's prominence is dragging down the rest of the site. I mean when most people bring up lasting flame wars, it's usually some Tangency flame fest like the 2004 election. The place just pisses off and burns out its user base and the mod staff to boot. Hell, some of the people who post there don't even game.

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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2007, 01:05:19 PM »
It seems to me that if they would just get rid of the policy that everyone is a unique and special snowflake who need to have their feelings protected from anything that might possibly cause them offense, they would have pretty much no problems at all.
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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2007, 01:20:49 PM »
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It seems to me that if they would just get rid of the policy that everyone is a unique and special snowflake who need to have their feelings protected from anything that might possibly cause them offense, they would have pretty much no problems at all.

Just a lot of people complaining.
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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2007, 01:21:37 PM »
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I dunno.  Everyone has their buttons, everyone has their issues.  The real root of the problem seemed to be the fact that you can't call mods on their own crap over there.  It's normal human nature to act like a dick when you're feeling bulletproof.

Someone upthread suggested that the consultation system we use here ought to be adopted by RPGnet.  I disagree.  They're too big to solve their problems that way.  A consultation thread would go on for freakin' ever, with a hundred people trying to say their piece.

All I can say, and I do not stalk mods anywhere, is that the only ones who seemed to have serious problems doing their mod job is/was Curt and Darren. Both seem to dish it out well but just can't take it in the same measure. Darren comes close. That said, I agree, the "Don't sass back to a mod" rule is just lame. If they just said "Stop it" without commentary, the rule would not be needed. The "They are just human" defense if weak. You do not need to run commentary, beyond explaining the sanction, in any formal action by mods.

As to consultation thread, by the gods, yes. Just look at the "protest banning user x" threads and how they go. Meh.

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« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2007, 01:31:36 PM »
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That said, I agree, the "Don't sass back to a mod" rule is just lame. If they just said "Stop it" without commentary, the rule would not be needed. The "They are just human" defense if weak. You do not need to run commentary, beyond explaining the sanction, in any formal action by mods.



What I find repulsive about the whole thing is the cheering on from other posters when a mod lays down the law in an obviously insulting manner.

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« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2007, 01:39:54 PM »
I just want to step in here real quick and say that Darren is a prick. Anyone in a position of authority in the "real world" that acted like him would be fired/sued/run over in the parking lot/shot by a disgruntled employee so fast his head would spin.

God, what an ass. Seriously - who the fuck does he think he is? And WHY is he allowed to pull the shit he does?

As to Curt - I never had much problem with him. I knew his reputation, and saw it in action from time to time, but Darren so far outshone him in his collassal ass-holiness that it was hard to notice anyone else's shortcomings.
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« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2007, 01:47:36 PM »
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I just want to step in here real quick and say that Darren is a prick. Anyone in a position of authority in the "real world" that acted like him would be fired/sued/run over in the parking lot/shot by a disgruntled employee so fast his head would spin.

God, what an ass. Seriously - who the fuck does he think he is? And WHY is he allowed to pull the shit he does?

As to Curt - I never had much problem with him. I knew his reputation, and saw it in action from time to time, but Darren so far outshone him in his collassal ass-holiness that it was hard to notice anyone else's shortcomings.

When RPG.net was more like this place, Darren's asshole behavior was normal.  He hasn't changed with the site...which is sort of telling, in my opinion.
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