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Title: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2022, 07:30:57 AM
It sounds strange, to me, the need to specify that "cancelled" is meant in its traditional sense and not "as a result of a twitter mob". We live in strange times.

"Batgirl" the show was a dumpster fire. I won't go into the details here but it was one of those pinnacles of wokeness that defined the "get woke, go broke" experience. Warner Bros forged on by ordering a Batgirl movie anyway. I mean, it featured a black Batgirl! (Leslie Grace)

Now WB is under new ownership and the new masters are not amused. They watched the finished movie (it lacks only some post-production work), and decided that it is "irredeemable" and will be buried.

Now, this is astounding. It was a 70 millions movie (it would seem that the budget grew out of control to $90-100 however) with Brendan Fraser, J.K. Simmons and, interestingly, Michael Keaton playing an older Batman. Today if you have a dreck in your hands you can still try to recoup something by putting it on your streaming service (HBO Max in this case). Some speculate that to cancel Batgirl entirely would allow the studio to "take a tax write-down". This still leads to the question of how bad can it be. Is it worse than "The Room"? ??? 

Anyway, two take-aways:

First, the usual suspects are already salty (https://comicbook.com/dc/news/dc-batgirl-movie-cancelled-shelved-controversy-hbo-max/). #SaveBatgirl is already on Twitter. This movie had a transgender best friend! And so on.

All of the above, of course, must happen with someone else's money, as I didn't read "We will recoup your losses via GoFundMe." No one is saying "If it is true that this movie sux so much it will be black heroines and transgender friends who will take the fall, so we should be grateful." No, the movie must come out.

But it wont. It is an interesting event. "It doesn't matter if the woke crowds are restless, we won't lose any more money". Not losing money to the wokes is an unprecedented strong signal that arrives right when we are starting to see a slight move towards neutrality by, at least, some trades. For example, some of the shills who are shilling "The Rings of Power" are starting to say "Well, Tolkien fans are a bit perplexed..." Not much, but we had "toxic fans blah blah" for months. I'm seeing other small cracks here and there. We will see.

Anyway, the new owners of DCU are looking at what they have inherited from the previous management and they are seeing: "Batgirl" (killed); "The Flash" (with Ezra Miller; you can't reshoot that, so you need either to kill it too or to somehow move the spotlight away from Ezra Miller's behavior); and Aquaman 2 (with Amber Heard, that so successful frontrunner for the #MeToo movement; "Remove Amber Heard from Aquaman 2" has 4.5 millions signatures on Change.org; there are strong hints that she is being re-casted and we will see Emilia Clarke instead).

What an inheritance from the woke era of the DCU, uh? And someone is starting to pay attention.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: HappyDaze on August 03, 2022, 08:03:05 AM
Minor correction: Batwoman was the show that got canceled. Batgirl is the film. These are different characters.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2022, 08:09:33 AM
Minor correction: Batwoman was the show that got canceled. Batgirl is the film. These are different characters.

You are right. Batwoman was still a dumpster fire toh :)
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: HappyDaze on August 03, 2022, 08:23:32 AM
Minor correction: Batwoman was the show that got canceled. Batgirl is the film. These are different characters.

You are right. Batwoman was still a dumpster fire toh :)
Absolutely. I made it through three episodes and walked away, but that's only because I typically give anything 3-5 episodes before I walk. It got the minimum.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2022, 08:39:54 AM
Minor correction: Batwoman was the show that got canceled. Batgirl is the film. These are different characters.

You are right. Batwoman was still a dumpster fire toh :)
Absolutely. I made it through three episodes and walked away, but that's only because I typically give anything 3-5 episodes before I walk. It got the minimum.

I walked away when in the first season she said "Batman's equipment needs to be upgraded, because I'm a woman". I'm paraphrasing but that was the idea. Episode one IIRC.

I knew that Ruby Rose ran away after season one and she was OF COURSE re-casted with a black actress (edit: this is why I mistook the movie for the show). Then the show sank. If anything, it makes for two woke/race-swap fiascoes out of two.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Lurkndog on August 03, 2022, 09:29:20 AM
I didn't know there had been a change in management at WB. That's actually good news.

I suspect they might be hoping for fans to get curious and petition to see the Batgirl movie like they did the Snyder Cut of Justice League.

At the very least, it is encouraging to see that the new management has better taste than the old.

I expect the Flash movie to come out, but I doubt they keep Ezra Miller on as the Flash after that.

Given that the Flash movie is using the Flashpoint storyline, which is a "time travel creates dark universe until it is finally undone" storyline, they could recast the role at the end of the movie. The good timeline is restored, the bad timeline is banished, and Flash is now Grant Gustin. :)



Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2022, 10:11:54 AM
I didn't know there had been a change in management at WB. That's actually good news.

I suspect they might be hoping for fans to get curious and petition to see the Batgirl movie like they did the Snyder Cut of Justice League.

At the very least, it is encouraging to see that the new management has better taste than the old.

The master plan of the old regime was to wokefise the whole DCU, with the new "holy trinity" composed by Wonder Woman, Supergirl and Batgirl. Then Warner was bought by Discovery and... let's say that the new management took a flamethrower and started to torch projects of all kinds. Some say that they are "anti-woke" but, from the rumbles I heard, they are simply "anti-bad" with no political inclinations. The fact that 90% of the things being canned is woke is only a byproduct - which still tells a lot about the quality of woke products.

However, totally shelving a $70-100 millions movie (reportedly finished) is still amazing. Apparently, if "Batgirl" came out, no matter the quality, the DCU would have been forced to follow the woke rails. They say that not even reshoots could have avoided this. The new management wants to basically reset the DCU, bring Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill back (Ben Affleck's Batman was already inserted in "Aquaman 2" in reshoots), fix the Flash with a new actor and move on.

Midnight Edge just put out a nice summary of the situation. The changes for Warner are bigger than that but this is about the DCU.

Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: VisionStorm on August 03, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
It's always reassuring to hear about all the damage that wokeness has wrought on the movie industry. It was a horrible industry to begin with and they've been pushing this cultural rot on the public for years now, and gaslighting them when they dare not like what's been served to them. So it's nice to hear they've been facing the consequences with significant monetary loss and having their long term projects ruined. Sometimes karma seems to happen.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 03, 2022, 10:25:18 AM
Reckall isn't overstating things. It's one thing to kill a project in progress, but my understanding is that this film was 'in the can', i.e. done -- post production and all.

Shelving it essentially states 'It's a loss and we know it'. It might get a DTV release -- maybe. A number of films were delayed thanks to the Kung Flu, but I'm not aware of any that have been outright shitcanned like this.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: HappyDaze on August 03, 2022, 10:34:18 AM
I didn't know there had been a change in management at WB. That's actually good news.

I suspect they might be hoping for fans to get curious and petition to see the Batgirl movie like they did the Snyder Cut of Justice League.

At the very least, it is encouraging to see that the new management has better taste than the old.

I expect the Flash movie to come out, but I doubt they keep Ezra Miller on as the Flash after that.

Given that the Flash movie is using the Flashpoint storyline, which is a "time travel creates dark universe until it is finally undone" storyline, they could recast the role at the end of the movie. The good timeline is restored, the bad timeline is banished, and Flash is now Grant Gustin. :)
And it's not like Grant doesn't have an opening in his schedule with the cancelation of the Flash series (after a shortened 9th season).
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2022, 11:03:03 AM
Shelving it essentially states 'It's a loss and we know it'. It might get a DTV release -- maybe.

The new management stated that the movie will not be released in any form, not even DTV. This leads to two possible way to see it: it is leaked (it would still not be canon anymore) or a successful petition (I don't see this happening but if it does then they would simply market it as a "what if" - and thus not canon anyway).

I was never interested in this movie. Now I am :)
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Ruprecht on August 03, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
DC needs a version of the what if...

Release it as What if Batgirl were woke as Hell. Add joel and the Robots mocking the thing to make sure the joke slams home.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 03, 2022, 01:59:23 PM
Slight revision to my comment earlier: the Batgirl movie was not entirely completed. It had finished principal photography and was in post-production.

But evidently it did amazingly bad with test audiences. Like, 'gunning for a Razzie sweep' bad.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Mistwell on August 03, 2022, 04:19:31 PM
The fact that 90% of the things being canned is woke is only a byproduct - which still tells a lot about the quality of woke products.

I think the evidence is extremely thin that this has anything to do with woke-anything, and everything to do with a massive immediate change away from the hybrid streaming/theater release (or streaming-only) plan they were engaged in.

And the proof of that is what you just stated is incorrect. TWO movies were just canned at the same time by the same people, not one. The first is this movie. But the second is a $40M production of a new Scooby Doo animated sequel: Scoob! Holiday Haunt. Which was also finished except some final post production, and everyone behind the scenes says was looking good, and there was no woke-anything relating to it.

One reason given for both cancellations, despite both being essentially complete and sunk-cost, is that WB wants to immediately end to same-day-and-date release hybrid model which angered a lot of their top creative talent and which was sucking down way too much of the profits. And contractually they cannot just release either to theaters-only without also releasing them for streaming on the same day, unless they do what they just did and shelve them.

Which in itself is shocking and frankly bigger news than all this woke stuff. If a major production and distribution company has just committed to theatrical release over streaming in this loud and costly a manner, that's going to send shockwaves through the industry. If they're willing to soak about $150M in one day just to deny the streaming companies that content, damn that is sending a message. It's just that the message it's sending isn't the one you're focusing on.

Maybe buying some AMC stock right now isn't such a bad idea. Oh look, it's up nearly 10% today.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: hedgehobbit on August 03, 2022, 05:52:35 PM
Slight revision to my comment earlier: the Batgirl movie was not entirely completed. It had finished principal photography and was in post-production.

But evidently it did amazingly bad with test audiences. Like, 'gunning for a Razzie sweep' bad.

Yeah, many people are assuming that WB is just throwing $70 million away but we don't know the estimated costs associated with re-shoots to fix the story and for completing the CGI. The costs to get this movie into a presentable state might be more than the estimated box office earnings.

So it's either lose money now or lose money later.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: rytrasmi on August 03, 2022, 06:00:51 PM
Someone put me in touch with WB I can save this thing.

Scene 1: Real Batgirl has too much to drink and eats some bad calamari with Batman while discussing the crime wave.

Scene 2: Real Batgirl falls asleep on her couch.

[Insert Batgirl movie here]

Scene 69: Real Batgirl wakes up and says, "Woah, that was fucked up." She takes some aspirin and goes for a tear on her Batbike.

Roll credits.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 03, 2022, 08:09:22 PM
The fact that 90% of the things being canned is woke is only a byproduct - which still tells a lot about the quality of woke products.

I think the evidence is extremely thin that this has anything to do with woke-anything, and everything to do with a massive immediate change away from the hybrid streaming/theater release (or streaming-only) plan they were engaged in.

Sorry, but I'm not sold on this. I'll try to explain why.

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And the proof of that is what you just stated is incorrect. TWO movies were just canned at the same time by the same people, not one. The first is this movie. But the second is a $40M production of a new Scooby Doo animated sequel: Scoob! Holiday Haunt. Which was also finished except some final post production, and everyone behind the scenes says was looking good, and there was no woke-anything relating to it.

I know that Scoob 2 was canned at the same time, as the trades reported both. Maybe since they were canning "Batgirl" they decided to sink Scoob too, as a "tricking" of cancellation is always bad for the optics. However...

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One reason given for both cancellations, despite both being essentially complete and sunk-cost, is that WB wants to immediately end to same-day-and-date release hybrid model which angered a lot of their top creative talent and which was sucking down way too much of the profits.

A good way to anger your top creative talent is to bury their movie (And why they should be angered by a same-day release on multiple platforms? Didn't they sign a contract? Even when Scarlett Johansson sued Disney over "Black Widow" the reason was that she had to be consulted about going VOD as a producer of that movie; contracts have changed since then). Regarding "ending the same-day-and-date" model... fine, but why to bury $150 millions in a day? Put the finished movies out there, recoup some of the losses and move on. Is saving on the the promotion and distribution costs the best solution? Maybe it was worth it for Scoob 2 but for your $100-millions-already-spent "Batgirl"? If they can save the day via a "tax write-down", good for them. Still, there is more to it.

David Zaslav, the new head honcho, has been extremely clear on two points: 1) He is not at Warner for making short-term money with the next movie, 2) DC is the single most important asset that Warner has in its entertainment portfolio; it is supposed to fund everything else. He will be extremely protective of it.

All the pointers indicate that Zaslav wants to rebuild DC in the image that Marvel "once was" (not what Marvel is now, interestingly). That's his strategy. He can't push out a shitty "Batgirl" movie, he can even less push out a shitty woke "Batgirl" movie that will alienate audiences once more, he totally can't push out a shitty woke "Batgirl" movie that was meant to pave the way to an "all-grrl woke power" DC rebrand. If "Batgirl" was good, Zaslav would have had good reasons to push it out anyway. But, no.

A lot of people were interested in seeing Michael Keaton in a sort of "Batman Beyond" mentor figure for "Batgirl" but it was the kind of bait-and-switch that we saw too many times in recent times. He was there to provide some advice, but Batgirl was the usual great, inherently superior, bestest ever at everything female character who became so all by herself - and this is what obliterated "Batgirl" with the DC fans during the test screenings (which were held one month ago, in advance to San Diego Comic Con, and led to the movie not being promoted at all at the Con - along with some "superpositive leaks"; you can distinguish the "superpositive" from the real ones because the former do not describe the movie, the latter do).

Zaslav, let's not forget about this, is already saddled with "The Flash" albatross around his neck. To bury that one will mean to take a $200 millions hit. To reshoot that one would mean to reshoot all of it (and take the same hit). To put it out and hope would be a death sentence, given what Ezra Miller managed to achieve recently. We also know that Ben Affleck was already called back as Batman for Aquaman 2 and that they are in talks with Henry Cavill (who is about to finish shooting the third season of "The Witcher" and will be able to return as Superman, should they agree on a schedule and a contract).

So, we have current DC as the money sinkhole that we just saw, "Batgirl" being shitty and woke, "Batgirl" being shitty because it is woke, and "Batgirl" leading to more wokeness all tied together in a nice knot. Zaslav doesn't want whatever the former executives were doing ("From the gals and dudes that gave you "Wonder Woman '84" and "Birds of Prey" because that's what the crowds want!") and his actions are proving it (he also nuked a $300 million dollars CNN+, while passing, one month after it came out).

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Which in itself is shocking and frankly bigger news than all this woke stuff. If a major production and distribution company has just committed to theatrical release over streaming in this loud and costly a manner, that's going to send shockwaves through the industry. If they're willing to soak about $150M in one day just to deny the streaming companies that content, damn that is sending a message. It's just that the message it's sending isn't the one you're focusing on.

Except that if the message they are sending is "We won't tolerate anymore woke drek" then they have a point. If the message is "The pandemic is over and theatre attendance will totally recover", then they are stupid. First, the pandemic is not over (I know that it is still being called a "shamdemic" by people who have one million deaths in their country alone but let me run with this ball for a while...) Second, the question about theatre attendance is still up in the air. I know that "Top Gun: Maverick" was a big success, mostly because everyone mentions it when asked about recent successes (along with the fact that TG:M is great entertainment and neither preachy nor woke. Hmm...) No other movie in 2022 surpassed $1 billion globally (we still don't have Christmas but we are at the end of the Summer season); nine did in pre-pandemic 2019 (with "Avengers: Endgame" making almost $3 billions).

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Maybe buying some AMC stock right now isn't such a bad idea. Oh look, it's up nearly 10% today.

A lot of people must be reading Deadline (https://deadline.com/2022/08/batgirl-scoob-discard-warnerbros-discovery-david-zaslav-jason-kilar-hbo-max-strategy-1235084032/). :D

There has been much speculation on why Batgirl was canceled, having to do with it being a bad movie. Sources said that the film tested once (no, more), and the result wasn’t that bad (it was that bad, for the aforementioned reasons), considering that the cut had temporary visual effects that tend to temper audience enthusiasm in the scores (every test screening is like that, not every movie gets canned; as we saw, the problems were with the plot not "the effects" and if I know it then Deadline knows it; this is Deadline hoping that we are morons).

I won't buy - neither the story nor the stock.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Omega on August 03, 2022, 08:56:02 PM
They may still release it. Hollywoods woke community is more than willing to take even huge losses to push their agenda and all they need to do is get marketing to re-push that agenda and we are right back where we left off and the movie is un-canned. Ir even pull a Sonic maneuver and reveal oh golly the fans are mad? Well look we changed stuff for the better. Without changing the story at all.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: DocJones on August 03, 2022, 09:06:00 PM
Cancelled because everyone knows batgirl was hot.
(http://www.batfriend.com/images/batgirl/batgirl_11.jpg)
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: David Johansen on August 04, 2022, 01:09:42 AM
Maybe they based the plot on The Killing Joke.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Lurkndog on August 04, 2022, 08:45:09 AM
I don't hate Ben Affleck, but with the huge success of The Batman there is no reason to bring him back.

Unless you want to do a live action version of The Dark Knight Returns, he'd be kinda great for that in maybe 10 years.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 04, 2022, 11:10:45 AM
I don't hate Ben Affleck, but with the huge success of The Batman there is no reason to bring him back.

Unless you want to do a live action version of The Dark Knight Returns, he'd be kinda great for that in maybe 10 years.

This is actually part of the mess the former management left for the new one to sort out.

"Joker" and "The Batman" exist in their own "pocket universes". If the outline of the Joker we saw at the end of "The Batman" is the real thing (the character was not named) then they do not even exist in the same "pocket universe", not to mention that "Joker" was set in the early '80s. Anyway, a sequel to "The Batman" is now in doubt, as DC wasn't happy with the box office (IMHO this is unfair as that production was ravaged by COVID and the big set pieces suffered from it). "Joker" already has a sequel.

Viewers actually like Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne. His Batman is on the average but many think that Affleck nailed BW in a way no one did before (I agree). The single biggest problem the DCEU caused to itself was that we never had a Batman movie. He was always a co-host with someone else, while even Aquaman, The Flash, Shazam, Batgirl, Supergirl and Wonder Woman got their movies. Even worse, Affleck's Batman had to be phased out, full stop. This is why they called Michael Keaton to portray an older Batman who barely appeared in "Batgirl", "Aquaman 2" and "The Flash".

When "Zack Snyder's Justice League" almost crashed HBO Max due to the number of people that connected at the same time (beside almost crashing the various streaming services around the world who had the rights), the very first thing the management said was "We will not go forward with the Snyderverse". They looked at the Snyder's Cut only as a "what if" that was good to pimp up their streaming service, nothing else. When the new management took over, two of these bozos were sent away and the third (Walter Hamada) will be next. Now they are trying to solve the mess and restore a DCEU with characters the fans actually want.

[BTW, when "Suicide Squad" came out, there was a furry of leaks about how the final cut was far different from the original one by David Ayers. While there is always the stupid who babbles away something, these rumors are never taken seriously. Those who work on a movie are actually very protective of it, at every level. A flurry of leaks is almost always caused by disgruntled crews - from the Director to the catering - who feel the need to warn the public that it is about to be conned; this is why it is usually believable. The same reason explains, for example, why we had all those leaks from the "Batgirl" screenings, as the public does the same.]

Next problem for David Zaslav: "The Flash". Not only we have Ezra Miller on the run but the plot was built specifically to pave the way for the new, safe and diverse Holy Trinity of Batgirl, (a latino) Supergirl and Wonder Woman. "Batgirl" was thankfully nuked, "Supergirl" is in pre-production but she is first introduced in "The Flash". If Zaslav decides to nuke "Supergirl" with minimal loss then her subplot in "The Flash" will make little sense. This can be fixed with reshoots and word from the test screenings is that the movie itself is good. All of this still won't solve the biggest problem, which is Ezra Miller. What to do?

Reshooting the movie with another actor will cost, reportedly, $100 millions. This on top of the $300 millions already spent on production and pre-marketing. Even if you find another good actor on the spot, we would still talk about a movie recreated from the ground up. Are the other actors available? When? Should we just replace the Flash digitally in already existing scenes? Is the rewritten script as good as the original one? DC would, basically, throw $400 millions on a gamble.

The other solution is to sink "The Flash", to sink "Supergirl", call back Affleck (who already said yes) and Cavill (he is "interested"), keep Gal Gadot (as even I would ask for a female presence in the team) and move on from there with a new slate of movies. "Aquaman 2" is fine, "Shazam 2" is, reportedly, good and it is isolated from the main storyline anyway. The same can be said for "Blue Beetle" and "Black Canary" - with only their quality affecting their going forward or cancellation.

tl;dr: At the end, the DCEU ignored the enthusiastic reception of Zack Snyder's Justice League, and betted the bank on HBO Max, "Birds of Prey", "Wonder Woman '84", "Batgirl", "Supergirl" and the they/them Ezra Miller - leaving then the consequences to someone else. Zaslav inherited both the mess of the past and the mess of the future - messes that were dictated by wokeness and wokeness alone. Zaslav right now is desperate to cut costs and he is lucky that he can compensate some sinkings with tax write downs (allowed by the fact that there was a merger). It is my understanding that this window will close this August so he needs to decide quickly.

It is true that shake ups at HBO Max are in the air, as the collapse of Netflix is scaring every streaming service out there (the first earnings report for the new merger could be already out today, along with the future roadmap). I agree that the movies in general are in need of a new distribution model, I don't agree that they should act like if the pandemic is in the rearview and that we are ready to return to "theatrical only" - but this is not my call to make.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Trond on August 04, 2022, 11:54:58 AM
Comments on the test screening from before anyone knew it would be canceled:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7PV97zdYaHQ

Generally, audience reactions were “mixed” and “confused”. From the little clip that is shown I think that Bat Girl looks awkward as a “butt kicker” but having seen an interview with the actress I’m actually feeling a bit sorry for her. Not sure about the movie itself, but she wasn’t pushing much of an agenda in that interview at least.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 04, 2022, 12:21:39 PM
Comments on the test screening from before anyone knew it would be canceled:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7PV97zdYaHQ

Generally, audience reactions were “mixed” and “confused”. From the little clip that is shown I think that Bat Girl looks awkward as a “butt kicker” but having seen an interview with the actress I’m actually feeling a bit sorry for her. Not sure about the movie itself, but she wasn’t pushing much of an agenda in that interview at least.

I saw that, but I think that this one is more accurate (as I heard the same things in multiple places):

Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Ruprecht on August 05, 2022, 06:30:02 PM
They may still release it. Hollywoods woke community is more than willing to take even huge losses to push their agenda and all they need to do is get marketing to re-push that agenda and we are right back where we left off and the movie is un-canned. Ir even pull a Sonic maneuver and reveal oh golly the fans are mad? Well look we changed stuff for the better. Without changing the story at all.
If they can reboot the DC Universe we'll probably see a 'snyder cut' type streaming release.

I also think part of DC's problem is that Joker and that new Batman were very successful and both seem disconnected from the Justice League version of the DC universe. The Marvel Universe movies were all interconnected, even if it was just Nick Fury or some other hero popping into different movies. They built upon each other. DC started with Man of Steel but then jumped into extended Justice League stuff before Wonderwoman or Aquaman or even that universes Batman had a movie of their own.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 06, 2022, 07:29:31 AM
They may still release it. Hollywoods woke community is more than willing to take even huge losses to push their agenda and all they need to do is get marketing to re-push that agenda and we are right back where we left off and the movie is un-canned. Ir even pull a Sonic maneuver and reveal oh golly the fans are mad? Well look we changed stuff for the better. Without changing the story at all.
If they can reboot the DC Universe we'll probably see a 'snyder cut' type streaming release.

I also think part of DC's problem is that Joker and that new Batman were very successful and both seem disconnected from the Justice League version of the DC universe. The Marvel Universe movies were all interconnected, even if it was just Nick Fury or some other hero popping into different movies. They built upon each other. DC started with Man of Steel but then jumped into extended Justice League stuff before Wonderwoman or Aquaman or even that universes Batman had a movie of their own.

Well, the 1Q earnings are out and the picture is not rosy. Anyway we got some important items:

- HBO Max and Discovery will be merged, with relative cuts and layoffs. This was to be expected. A bit unexpected was how Zaslav outlined how the two streaming services have "symmetrical" audiences: HBO Max is followed mostly by males, who like scripted entertainment; Discovery is followed mostly by females who like unscripted entertainment. This simple analysis of the market was followed by the expected "Reeee" about "sexism" - but after chopping "Batgirl" Zaslav is a Nazi on Twitter even if it turns out that he once helped Oskar Schindler, so I guess he doesn't care.

- "The Flash" will come out. What Zaslav didn't say was when and/or if there will be reshoots. He also never mentioned Ezra Miller. He also didn't mention that "Supergirl" will be axed - something that was considered a given.

- Zaslav sees the restructuring of the DCEU as a "ten years plan". He called back as a "consultant" Alan Horn. For those who do not know him, Horn already worked once for Warner Bros and supervised all the Harry Potter movies and Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy. He was pushed out in 2012 by the new management with the results we all saw for the DCEU. Horn then went at Disney where he became chairman of Walt Disney Studios. He was "honorably discharged" in 2019 (with the results we can currently see at Disney) and Zaslav immediately re-hired him at Warner. Horn is 79 years old so I don't see him working 24/7 for the next ten years, but is telling that Zaslav wants to listen to suggestions by people who proved to be successful in their jobs.

So, that's it for the DCEU drama. We will see.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Lurkndog on August 07, 2022, 05:59:11 PM
There are probably a bunch of different ways they can successfully reboot the DC movies.

At the very least, they've already tried out the shitty grimdark approach, so they've eliminated one failure mode.

I mean, if they wanted to, they could just cold open a new Justice League movie with a completely new cast. We know who these characters are.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Aglondir on August 07, 2022, 09:34:31 PM
The other solution is to sink "The Flash", to sink "Supergirl", call back Affleck (who already said yes) and Cavill (he is "interested"), keep Gal Gadot (as even I would ask for a female presence in the team) and move on from there with a new slate of movies. "Aquaman 2" is fine, "Shazam 2" is, reportedly, good and it is isolated from the main storyline anyway. The same can be said for "Blue Beetle" and "Black Canary" - with only their quality affecting their going forward or cancellation.

This is the Way
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 08, 2022, 06:35:23 PM
And Ezra Miller gets nailed for burglary immediately ::)

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-burglary-the-flash-vermont-1235336304/

I heard rumors last week that more bad news about him were about to come out (this happened on May, 1st but only now he was charged). I honestly expected worse.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 08, 2022, 07:19:28 PM
There are probably a bunch of different ways they can successfully reboot the DC movies.

At the very least, they've already tried out the shitty grimdark approach, so they've eliminated one failure mode.

I mean, if they wanted to, they could just cold open a new Justice League movie with a completely new cast. We know who these characters are.

As long as it's not the even shittier Marvel Humor approach.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 08, 2022, 07:23:00 PM
And Ezra Miller gets nailed for burglary immediately ::)

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-burglary-the-flash-vermont-1235336304/

I heard rumors last week that more bad news about him were about to come out (this happened on May, 1st but only now he was charged). I honestly expected worse.

If the final quote is true, they plan on going ahead with The Flash, IIRC Batgirl and Supergirl were to be setup in that movie, so what gives?

Also how many of this fucker are there?
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Lurkndog on August 08, 2022, 09:12:37 PM
There are probably a bunch of different ways they can successfully reboot the DC movies.

At the very least, they've already tried out the shitty grimdark approach, so they've eliminated one failure mode.

I mean, if they wanted to, they could just cold open a new Justice League movie with a completely new cast. We know who these characters are.

As long as it's not the even shittier Marvel Humor approach.

I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to specifically. Are you complaining about Thor, or GOTG, or Ant-Man, or Iron Man?
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Lurkndog on August 08, 2022, 09:38:54 PM
The single biggest problem the DCEU caused to itself was that we never had a Batman movie. He was always a co-host with someone else, while even Aquaman, The Flash, Shazam, Batgirl, Supergirl and Wonder Woman got their movies.

Since 1989, we've had:
And that's not counting Batman vs Superman, Justice League, Suicide Squad (2016) and The Lego Batman Movie.

This is the sound of the world's tiniest Bat-Violin playing.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 09, 2022, 05:53:10 AM
And Ezra Miller gets nailed for burglary immediately ::)

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-burglary-the-flash-vermont-1235336304/

I heard rumors last week that more bad news about him were about to come out (this happened on May, 1st but only now he was charged). I honestly expected worse.

If the final quote is true, they plan on going ahead with The Flash, IIRC Batgirl and Supergirl were to be setup in that movie, so what gives?

They can re-shoot the parts with Ezra Miller with another actor, as I wrote. This would cost about $100 millions. Re: introducing Batgirl and Supergirl, since you are reshooting big chunks of the movie anyway just cut those parts. They already have to cut Batgirl.
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Also how many of this fucker are there?

The first comment I heard was "Well, after all he is the Flash!" The second one was "They are they, so there is a lot of them." :D
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 09, 2022, 06:26:16 AM
The single biggest problem the DCEU caused to itself was that we never had a Batman movie. He was always a co-host with someone else, while even Aquaman, The Flash, Shazam, Batgirl, Supergirl and Wonder Woman got their movies.

Since 1989, we've had:
  • Batman (1989)
  • Batman Returns (1992)
  • Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1993)
  • Batman Forever (1995)
  • Batman & Robin (1997)
  • Batman Begins (2005)
  • The Dark Knight (2008)
  • The Dark Knight Rises (2012)


Exactly. No one of this movies was part of the DCEU. Like "The Batman" or "Joker" they existed in their own universes (the "Dark Knight Trilogy" is also known as "the Nolanverse"). The DCEU started with "Man of Steel" in 2013 - and we never had a proper Batman movie with Ben Affleck in it.

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And that's not counting Batman vs Superman, Justice League, Suicide Squad (2016) and The Lego Batman Movie.

...And in the DCEU Batman was always the co-host with someone else, as I wrote. If anything, it is surreal that we had scores of Batman movies but no one in the DCEU. Having Michael Keaton returning as an older Batman in "Batgirl", "Aquaman 2" and "The Flash", BTW, was also a continuity error, as Keaton belonged to still another universe - but Affleck had to be phased out to give space to the new grrl-power trilogy.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2022, 10:54:08 AM
There are probably a bunch of different ways they can successfully reboot the DC movies.

At the very least, they've already tried out the shitty grimdark approach, so they've eliminated one failure mode.

I mean, if they wanted to, they could just cold open a new Justice League movie with a completely new cast. We know who these characters are.

As long as it's not the even shittier Marvel Humor approach.

I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to specifically. Are you complaining about Thor, or GOTG, or Ant-Man, or Iron Man?

I am complaining about ALL of the Marvel Movies made under Disney, they aren't superhero movies, they are comedies with superheroes.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: HappyDaze on August 09, 2022, 10:57:38 AM
There are probably a bunch of different ways they can successfully reboot the DC movies.

At the very least, they've already tried out the shitty grimdark approach, so they've eliminated one failure mode.

I mean, if they wanted to, they could just cold open a new Justice League movie with a completely new cast. We know who these characters are.

As long as it's not the even shittier Marvel Humor approach.

I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to specifically. Are you complaining about Thor, or GOTG, or Ant-Man, or Iron Man?

I am complaining about ALL of the Marvel Movies made under Disney, they aren't superhero movies, they are comedies with superheroes.
Can you tell us what movies you consider to be superhero movies?
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 09, 2022, 10:59:35 AM
And Ezra Miller gets nailed for burglary immediately ::)

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-burglary-the-flash-vermont-1235336304/

I heard rumors last week that more bad news about him were about to come out (this happened on May, 1st but only now he was charged). I honestly expected worse.

If the final quote is true, they plan on going ahead with The Flash, IIRC Batgirl and Supergirl were to be setup in that movie, so what gives?

They can re-shoot the parts with Ezra Miller with another actor, as I wrote. This would cost about $100 millions. Re: introducing Batgirl and Supergirl, since you are reshooting big chunks of the movie anyway just cut those parts. They already have to cut Batgirl.
Quote
Also how many of this fucker are there?

The first comment I heard was "Well, after all he is the Flash!" The second one was "They are they, so there is a lot of them." :D

SPOILER (Hover over section below to view.)

Yeah, they could reshoot the movie, that would mean they are confident enough it will make well over 800 million.

Have you seen the hit pieces for the cancellation of superlatinx? Can you imagine the media shitstorm if they cut Miller from the movie?

Well, given the ammount's of crimes he is commiting, it sure looks like there's a ton of them.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 09, 2022, 12:25:17 PM

SPOILER (Hover over section below to view.)

Yeah, they could reshoot the movie, that would mean they are confident enough it will make well over 800 million.
Or they will just sigh and take a hit hoping that it will be the last one. Apparently the movie itself is good, whereas "Batgirl" was just shitty. Anyway, the new management aims to rebuild a sane DCEU in the next ten years, not tomorrow. There is a little that they can do with what they inherited.

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Have you seen the hit pieces for the cancellation of superlatinx? Can you imagine the media shitstorm if they cut Miller from the movie?

Of course the REEEEE was strong with this one (they even cut her transexual friend... can you imagine?) And of course everybody is enraged that the superlatinx will not come out paid with someone else's money. ::)

Right now, however, I don't think that Ezra Miller can be defended. IMHO, the music will shift towards "of course a single black sheep will not ruin the valor of THE MESSAGE".
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 09, 2022, 01:40:55 PM
And Ezra Miller gets nailed for burglary immediately ::)

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-burglary-the-flash-vermont-1235336304/

I heard rumors last week that more bad news about him were about to come out (this happened on May, 1st but only now he was charged). I honestly expected worse.

If the final quote is true, they plan on going ahead with The Flash, IIRC Batgirl and Supergirl were to be setup in that movie, so what gives?

They can re-shoot the parts with Ezra Miller with another actor, as I wrote. This would cost about $100 millions. Re: introducing Batgirl and Supergirl, since you are reshooting big chunks of the movie anyway just cut those parts. They already have to cut Batgirl.
Quote
Also how many of this fucker are there?

The first comment I heard was "Well, after all he is the Flash!" The second one was "They are they, so there is a lot of them." :D

SPOILER (Hover over section below to view.)

Yeah, they could reshoot the movie, that would mean they are confident enough it will make well over 800 million.

Have you seen the hit pieces for the cancellation of superlatinx? Can you imagine the media shitstorm if they cut Miller from the movie?

Well, given the ammount's of crimes he is commiting, it sure looks like there's a ton of them.
Clearly, the public is crying out for a classic Latino superhero. One who needs no introduction, no backstory to fill in.

Summer 2023...

SPEEDY GONZALES.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: HappyDaze on August 09, 2022, 01:53:18 PM
And Ezra Miller gets nailed for burglary immediately ::)

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-burglary-the-flash-vermont-1235336304/

I heard rumors last week that more bad news about him were about to come out (this happened on May, 1st but only now he was charged). I honestly expected worse.

If the final quote is true, they plan on going ahead with The Flash, IIRC Batgirl and Supergirl were to be setup in that movie, so what gives?

They can re-shoot the parts with Ezra Miller with another actor, as I wrote. This would cost about $100 millions. Re: introducing Batgirl and Supergirl, since you are reshooting big chunks of the movie anyway just cut those parts. They already have to cut Batgirl.
Quote
Also how many of this fucker are there?

The first comment I heard was "Well, after all he is the Flash!" The second one was "They are they, so there is a lot of them." :D

SPOILER (Hover over section below to view.)

Yeah, they could reshoot the movie, that would mean they are confident enough it will make well over 800 million.

Have you seen the hit pieces for the cancellation of superlatinx? Can you imagine the media shitstorm if they cut Miller from the movie?

Well, given the ammount's of crimes he is commiting, it sure looks like there's a ton of them.
Clearly, the public is crying out for a classic Latino superhero. One who needs no introduction, no backstory to fill in.

Summer 2023...

SPEEDY GONZALES.
As long as it's not Jack Black doing a Nacho Libre sequel...
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: zircher on August 09, 2022, 02:09:24 PM
Clearly, the public is crying out for a classic Latino superhero. One who needs no introduction, no backstory to fill in.

Summer 2023...

SPEEDY GONZALES.
Heh, if I want to watch a Latino Superhero movie, there's always Nacho Libre.  :-D
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Lurkndog on August 09, 2022, 04:51:33 PM
Clearly, the public is crying out for a classic Latino superhero. One who needs no introduction, no backstory to fill in.

Summer 2023...

SPEEDY GONZALES.

In all honesty, they should definitely do this. Everybody loves Speedy Gonzales, especially the Hispanic community.

He's cute, he's a campesino, and he doesn't start trouble but he always wins.

You're going to have to recast the voice anyway, hire a Mexican actor and you're golden.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Lurkndog on August 09, 2022, 05:01:38 PM
Exactly. No one of this movies was part of the DCEU. Like "The Batman" or "Joker" they existed in their own universes (the "Dark Knight Trilogy" is also known as "the Nolanverse"). The DCEU started with "Man of Steel" in 2013 - and we never had a proper Batman movie with Ben Affleck in it.

Yeah, but they wanted to get a Justice League movie out within a reasonable time frame, and Batman and Superman had a ton of movie exposure already.

I'm also not that sad because while I did like Affleck in the role, I didn't like MurderBatman.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: DocJones on August 09, 2022, 05:49:01 PM
Can you tell us what movies you consider to be superhero movies?
'We Were Soldiers' for starters. :-)
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2022, 01:24:07 PM

Can you tell us what movies you consider to be superhero movies?

For starters, the Old Superman movies, Batman and Batman Returns, Wonder Woman, Superman Returns (even if I didn't like it), The Man of Steel, Justice League (the Snyder cut), Watchmen, all of the El Santo/Blue Demon movies...
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 10, 2022, 01:26:51 PM
And Ezra Miller gets nailed for burglary immediately ::)

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/ezra-miller-burglary-the-flash-vermont-1235336304/

I heard rumors last week that more bad news about him were about to come out (this happened on May, 1st but only now he was charged). I honestly expected worse.

If the final quote is true, they plan on going ahead with The Flash, IIRC Batgirl and Supergirl were to be setup in that movie, so what gives?

They can re-shoot the parts with Ezra Miller with another actor, as I wrote. This would cost about $100 millions. Re: introducing Batgirl and Supergirl, since you are reshooting big chunks of the movie anyway just cut those parts. They already have to cut Batgirl.
Quote
Also how many of this fucker are there?

The first comment I heard was "Well, after all he is the Flash!" The second one was "They are they, so there is a lot of them." :D

SPOILER (Hover over section below to view.)

Yeah, they could reshoot the movie, that would mean they are confident enough it will make well over 800 million.

Have you seen the hit pieces for the cancellation of superlatinx? Can you imagine the media shitstorm if they cut Miller from the movie?

Well, given the ammount's of crimes he is commiting, it sure looks like there's a ton of them.
Clearly, the public is crying out for a classic Latino superhero. One who needs no introduction, no backstory to fill in.

Summer 2023...

SPEEDY GONZALES.

I'm all for it, but it would never be made, or it would be changed to not offend the white gringo progressives.

There's a clear option they could use, one that has a cult following even in europe and that would rope in all the Wrestling fans: Santo El Enmascarado de Plata.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Trond on August 10, 2022, 08:20:20 PM

I'm all for it, but it would never be made, or it would be changed to not offend the white gringo progressives.


Of course not because they are called gringos, they would be offended on behalf of all the imaginary intersectional "Latinx folks".
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Omega on August 11, 2022, 12:23:07 AM
all of the El Santo/Blue Demon movies...

What about Super Argo?  8)
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 11, 2022, 12:47:52 AM
all of the El Santo/Blue Demon movies...

What about Super Argo?  8)

Who?
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 11, 2022, 02:06:01 PM
Meanwhile Ezra is the gift that keeps giving...

https://people.com/movies/police-looking-for-woman-and-her-kids-who-were-staying-with-ezra-miller/

...Which could finally have some consequences for "The Flash".

https://gizmodo.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-film-cancelled-release-date-1849400194

The money quote:

"The Hollywood Reported additionally stated that Miller did participate in reshoots for the film over the summer, in between their arrests."

...Which for a moment made me think: they arrested... reshoots??
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 11, 2022, 03:04:41 PM
Meanwhile Ezra is the gift that keeps giving...

https://people.com/movies/police-looking-for-woman-and-her-kids-who-were-staying-with-ezra-miller/

...Which could finally have some consequences for "The Flash".

https://gizmodo.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-film-cancelled-release-date-1849400194

The money quote:

"The Hollywood Reported additionally stated that Miller did participate in reshoots for the film over the summer, in between their arrests."

...Which for a moment made me think: they arrested... reshoots??

Someone should have locked this loon the moment the video of him slamming and choking the woman appeared.

Praying the kids are found safe and sound and taken away from their loon mother.

Edited to add:

Never give the likes of Gizmodo clicks, use archive dot is

https://archive.is/FWixa
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: FingerRod on August 11, 2022, 11:47:03 PM

The money quote:

"The Hollywood Reported additionally stated that Miller did participate in reshoots for the film over the summer, in between their arrests."

...Which for a moment made me think: they arrested... reshoots??

Well done, sir.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 13, 2022, 01:42:58 AM
Looks like the new DC/Discovery directives are just as spineless and/or drunk with the koolaid as the previous.

Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 13, 2022, 11:51:18 AM
Looks like the new DC/Discovery directives are just as spineless and/or drunk with the koolaid as the previous.



Here they talk about an article on MovieWeb that says how the test audiences though that Leslie Jones was fine as Batgirl. Considered that the article lied on everything, I'm not sure even about that. Things I know that are lies after reading it:

"Although, some reports suggest that the test audience score of Batgirl was the same as that of Black Adam and Shazam! Fury of the Gods, but WBD just didn’t want to spend any more money on the film to tweak it..."

No, "Batgirl" scored very badly, the other two movies scored fine. If I know this, MovieWeb knows this. Also, they are the first to admit that "some reports suggest..." You can say this and then write like if it is Truth Revealed.

"The unprecedented move has shocked not only the fans but also the film industry, with everyone wondering how a studio could scrap a movie as big as Batgirl and still keep its financials intact. WBD will apparently receive a tax write-off for Batgirl."

Not "apparently". It is known that the opportunity to receive tax write-offs is allowed by the merger and it will close at the end of August. Even I mentioned it here. Also, you wonder how a studio can "shockingly" scrap a movie this big and then you explain how they can.

"But as the studio continues to clean house, its controversial decisions have taken a hit on its reputation, and WBD seems to be in damage control mode now."

Simply untrue. The Twatterati are screaming, no one else bothers. No, this is unfair. A lot of people do bother. As in "Maybe we are seeing the beginning of the end for woke Hollywood."

As reported by Variety, new Warner Bros. Pictures Group chiefs Michael De Luca and Pam Abdy are "seeking to mend fences with Batgirl star Leslie Grace." They want her to continue playing Batgirl/Barbara Gordon in future DC projects or at least star in another Warner Bros. production.

Click on that "Variety" link and you will find another article that lies about everything. Interestingly, they also say that the test scores for "Batgirl" were not good. MovieWeb didn't bother to even read what hey linked. This is how you catch people lying.

And what are we saying here? "We would be happy to work with Leslie Jones again." This is normal bureauspeak. Maybe they are even honest and it will be Leslie Jones who will say "After the last time, no, thanks."

"Grace probably won’t star in any other movie either or work with the studio again, nor should she, especially after such horrible treatment."

Lo?! You are the first who understands the situation?

"In the unlikely case that Grace decides to play Batgirl again, it would have to be in a supporting role or a cameo since greenlighting another solo movie could take years and frankly isn’t a viable option either. [...] So, it’s safe to say that Batgirl won’t be making her live-action film debut anytime soon."

...Which is the most amazing part, as, at the end, not only they finally tell the truth but prove that they knew the truth from the beginning. The rest is gaslighting.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: DocJones on August 13, 2022, 04:47:51 PM
Here they talk about an article on MovieWeb that says how the test audiences though that Leslie Jones was fine as Batgirl.
I think I know why they cancelled it.
(https://celebnetworth.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Leslie-Jones-Bio.jpg)
 8)
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 13, 2022, 07:57:30 PM
Here they talk about an article on MovieWeb that says how the test audiences though that Leslie Jones was fine as Batgirl.
I think I know why they cancelled it.
(https://celebnetworth.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Leslie-Jones-Bio.jpg)
 8)

Too much Leslies in my life right now :(

I was lucky. I didn't write "Grace Jones"...
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 18, 2022, 02:28:27 PM
Ezra Miller says he's truly sowy he got caugh being a violent mysogynist, groomer, thief and probably pedo.

So of course Warner is going to release The Flash and the violent nutjob will take part on promoting it.

Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: hedgehobbit on August 22, 2022, 12:00:48 PM
Supposedly, Zazlab said that cancelling Batgirl will save them $20 million in taxes. Can anyone explain how this work?

I don't see why the costs associated with the movie wouldn't be tax deductible in the first place. The only thing I can think of is that since the movie was scheduled for 2023, cancelling the movie in 2022 means they put all the loss on their 2022 returns. I've seen other companies do this. When you know that you are going to take a loss, moving losses from next year to this years means you have one really bad year, but the following year will look better.

IOW, better to lose $70 million in 2022 when you have tons of losses already than lose $50 million next year when you are supposedly recovering.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 22, 2022, 12:43:16 PM
Supposedly, Zazlab said that cancelling Batgirl will save them $20 million in taxes. Can anyone explain how this work?

They didn't say much. Basically, since there has been a merger the new management can cancel projects born under the previous management and take a tax deduction (or something similar: this is not my field). They also said that the "window" for doing this will close at the end of August.

Zaslav, for sure, is cutting things left and right. There is an ongoing bloodbath at Warner.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Visitor Q on August 22, 2022, 01:38:22 PM
Supposedly, Zazlab said that cancelling Batgirl will save them $20 million in taxes. Can anyone explain how this work?

I don't see why the costs associated with the movie wouldn't be tax deductible in the first place. The only thing I can think of is that since the movie was scheduled for 2023, cancelling the movie in 2022 means they put all the loss on their 2022 returns. I've seen other companies do this. When you know that you are going to take a loss, moving losses from next year to this years means you have one really bad year, but the following year will look better.

IOW, better to lose $70 million in 2022 when you have tons of losses already than lose $50 million next year when you are supposedly recovering.

Hollywood accounting is a notoriously dark art anyway but apart from that I am guessing the tax write off for a movie that made literally nothing is considerably more than one which is balancing that against some revenue.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 22, 2022, 01:46:09 PM
Supposedly, Zazlab said that cancelling Batgirl will save them $20 million in taxes. Can anyone explain how this work?

They didn't say much. Basically, since there has been a merger the new management can cancel projects born under the previous management and take a tax deduction (or something similar: this is not my field). They also said that the "window" for doing this will close at the end of August.

Zaslav, for sure, is cutting things left and right. There is an ongoing bloodbath at Warner.

And the REEEEEEEEEEEING is glorious.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Banjo Destructo on August 22, 2022, 05:09:52 PM
Nice, now if only some other stuff would get cancelled or put under new management.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: hedgehobbit on August 25, 2022, 10:09:33 AM
Recently, the director commented that Batgirl was "far from finished". They still had some scenes to film (reshoots?) and none of the special effects had been completed. This confirms what most of us thought anyway and makes the cancellation a little less extreme.

In related news, Shazam 2 was pushed to 2023 and Aquaman 2 was delayed by nine months.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on August 25, 2022, 11:32:44 AM
Recently, the director commented that Batgirl was "far from finished". They still had some scenes to film (reshoots?) and none of the special effects had been completed. This confirms what most of us thought anyway and makes the cancellation a little less extreme.

Well, no :) While it is known that the movie still needed some last minute polishing, it was basically 95% finished. This kind of polish usually involves tighten the edit a bit or maybe reshoot some bit scenes to clarify some plot point.

The director is "amazed, bitter, contemplating suicide" so to better rally the Twitter mobs. Same the actors. But "far from finished" is a flat out lie. Even if it was true, Zaslav told the investors that for the movie Warner already spent $90 millions. It would be illegal to lie about that in an investor conference. And the test audiences confirmed that it sucked badly. Zaslav sunk it because it literally damaged the DC brand - which is already ailing.

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In related news, Shazam 2 was pushed to 2023 and Aquaman 2 was delayed by nine months.

These are news to me but I'm not surprised. It is known that Aquaman 2 needed reshoots due to Ben Affleck returning as Batman (but that part is already done) and the whole "Amber Heard situation" still up in the air. I know that Shazam 2 tested fine and anyway it is separated from the main DCEU. Maybe Zaslav wants to restart with a slate of good movies coming out not widely spaced in time, or do some reshoots that will actually bring Shazam closer to the DCEU.

And we still have the whole The Flash problem. Recently Ezra Miller wrote a message to the fans where he said "Sigh, sob, I recognise that I did horrible things, I have mental health problems, I'll check into a facility". Interestingly enough, this weepy confession was put out by Warner, not by Ezra...

There are some things we know for sure: the old management wanted a new "holy trinity" composed by Batgirl, Supergirl and Wonder Woman. Zaslav wants to make money. Since the two things are not compatible a lot of things are changing behind the scenes - both in the people involved and in the upcoming movies themselves.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Lurkndog on August 27, 2022, 09:20:07 AM
The latest word on the housecleaning at DC concerns DC Comics itself. Seems that heads may roll there as well.

That would be long overdue, IMHO.

And if Jim Lee has to go back to drawing comic books, well, win-win.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 27, 2022, 01:34:14 PM
The latest word on the housecleaning at DC concerns DC Comics itself. Seems that heads may roll there as well.

That would be long overdue, IMHO.

And if Jim Lee has to go back to drawing comic books, well, win-win.

Any real fix necesitas firing all the HR people and any D.I.E. related departments, if they don't aby "fix" will be at best temporary and pretty soon the allegations of istophobia, sexual misconduct etc will start.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 27, 2022, 09:44:08 PM
These are real actual comic book covers, if I were Zaslav I would stop ALL publishing, fire al the woke from the top down including HR and all D.I.E. related departments.

https://twitter.com/travisbhill5/status/1563583215746830336 (https://twitter.com/travisbhill5/status/1563583215746830336)
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 28, 2022, 12:20:12 AM
These are real actual comic book covers, if I were Zaslav I would stop ALL publishing, fire al the woke from the top down including HR and all D.I.E. related departments.

https://twitter.com/travisbhill5/status/1563583215746830336 (https://twitter.com/travisbhill5/status/1563583215746830336)
Good lord, those are stupid.

First pic: Kyle Rayner, carrying a green flag reading VIVA MEXICO and a bag of tamales. First off, I wasn't aware Rayner is Hispanic to start with, and second, boy, is that half-assed if he is.

Second pic: Jessica Cruz standing over several defeated villains and... eating a burrito. Um. OK. A little puzzled at the theme I'm seeing here...

Third pic: Blue Beetle III (Jaime Reyes) in what looks like a bizarrely uncomfortable pose (wouldn't surprise me if that stance was repurposed from a Spider-Man cover)... holding TWO burritos. GUYS WE KNOW, HE'S HISPANIC.

Fourth pic: Hawkgirl and... what? She's waitressing in a Hispanic restaurant? Why?

It's not JUST that it's idpol, it's garbage. I was listening to a friend whimper about 'all the cool projects Zaslav is killing'. If this is indicative of the quality of work coming out, then he should keep swinging that axe, by all means.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 28, 2022, 12:27:36 AM
These are real actual comic book covers, if I were Zaslav I would stop ALL publishing, fire al the woke from the top down including HR and all D.I.E. related departments.

https://twitter.com/travisbhill5/status/1563583215746830336 (https://twitter.com/travisbhill5/status/1563583215746830336)
Good lord, those are stupid.

First pic: Kyle Rayner, carrying a green flag reading VIVA MEXICO and a bag of tamales. First off, I wasn't aware Rayner is Hispanic to start with, and second, boy, is that half-assed if he is.

Second pic: Jessica Cruz standing over several defeated villains and... eating a burrito. Um. OK. A little puzzled at the theme I'm seeing here...

Third pic: Blue Beetle III (Jaime Reyes) in what looks like a bizarrely uncomfortable pose (wouldn't surprise me if that stance was repurposed from a Spider-Man cover)... holding TWO burritos. GUYS WE KNOW, HE'S HISPANIC.

Fourth pic: Hawkgirl and... what? She's waitressing in a Hispanic restaurant? Why?

It's not JUST that it's idpol, it's garbage. I was listening to a friend whimper about 'all the cool projects Zaslav is killing'. If this is indicative of the quality of work coming out, then he should keep swinging that axe, by all means.

Yeah, Kyle is of Mexican descent IIRC.

Dude he should shut down the comics division and clean house, then restart it with sane people only.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Lurkndog on August 28, 2022, 08:22:40 AM
With DC and Marvel at present, it's not just the creative side of the business that is bankrupt, their business model doesn't work either.

The direct comics market is a creepy inbred failure, and circulation for "mainstream" titles is down below what an indie comic would have pulled in the 1980s.

There was a time around the 2010s when Archie Comics was pummeling Marvel and DC, because Archie still had mainstream sales of things like their Comics Digest titles, which were in regular stores and sold through a modest but steady mail order business. Archie has since gone woke and lost a lot of customers, I'm not sure where they are at now.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Chris24601 on August 28, 2022, 08:51:33 AM
Kyle Rayner was a true American blend back in the day; (legal) Mexican immigrant father and an Irish mother.

And at this point; burn the comics parts of DC and Marvel to the ground. They’re nothing but trademark holding bins until the parent companies can get around to using them in other media.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Lurkndog on August 30, 2022, 11:29:24 AM
Kyle Rayner was a true American blend back in the day; (legal) Mexican immigrant father and an Irish mother.

And at this point; burn the comics parts of DC and Marvel to the ground. They’re nothing but trademark holding bins until the parent companies can get around to using them in other media.

They're also a cheap way to develop new storylines and characters, if they're done well. As well as an income stream in their own right.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Omega on August 30, 2022, 09:46:21 PM
Kyle Rayner was a true American blend back in the day; (legal) Mexican immigrant father and an Irish mother.

And at this point; burn the comics parts of DC and Marvel to the ground. They’re nothing but trademark holding bins until the parent companies can get around to using them in other media.

They're also a cheap way to develop new storylines and characters, if they're done well. As well as an income stream in their own right.

Only till the rights holders completely ruin the IP. Which seems to happen like clockwork. And even the ones that succeed rnd up getting dragged down eventually.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 30, 2022, 11:41:26 PM
Due to the backlash DC recanted the Kyle Rainer with tamales cover and will use the original that pays homage to La Patria.

LOL.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: Reckall on September 11, 2022, 02:15:00 PM
For the curious, the trailer was just leaked. If it is legit, it exudes cringe.



Edit: apparently it is actually a deepfake. If so, it is very well done. It is how I expected the movie to be (well, even better).

According to the director, the whole Batgirl movie was literally destroyed. No copy survives unless someone made an illegal one.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: zircher on September 11, 2022, 04:13:48 PM
True, this was made by the Corridor Crew, they're actually a pretty talented bunch of creators.  Some times they do things for the LOLs.  Other times they'll create a deep fake so good that it is scary.

Here is the 'making of' video.
Title: Re: Completed Batgirl movie gets cancelled - for real! - and why it is important
Post by: GeekyBugle on September 11, 2022, 04:54:06 PM
True, this was made by the Corridor Crew, they're actually a pretty talented bunch of creators.  Some times they do things for the LOLs.  Other times they'll create a deep fake so good that it is scary.

Here is the 'making of' video.


The crew is as cringe as the "trailer" they produced.