Quote from: David RJames, as we are repeatedly told, mods here don't have any power to ban or close threads. So I don't think we have anything to worry about if JimBob becomes a mod*. I was thinking about the time Curt was made a mod on tBP. The reason given was that "he cared about the site". The Pundit stated that if this was the reason, he too should have been made a mod. I took this to mean that even though his ideas for tBP did not mesh with popular sentiment, he also cared about the direction tBP was heading.

Now, I think (know?) the principle of freedom of speech is pretty much set in stone here. JimBob's role would be to provoke discussions. He would act as the devil's advocate, much like the role the Pundit describes in one of his numerous rants against tBP.

Like I said, sanctioned shit stirring. I mean all the other mods are more or less in tune with what this site is supposed to be. JimBob's role as a mod could be to challenge conventional thought. He's outnumbered and surely outgunned, but I think he could play a useful role in provoking discussion about board policies.

I think you really don't fucking understand what the role of a mod, or of a regular poster here is.  In what fucking way could making Jimbob a mod make him any more capable of doing any of the things you mentioned than he is now, as a regular poster.

"mods" here do a single job, which is to check for problems with posts, usually from Spammers. "Tech mods" check for problems with the technology.
REGULAR FUCKING POSTERS are the ones who do shit like "play devils' advocate" here. I ask them to all the time.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Christmas ApeIn truth, this can only apply if you were not in any way involved in his banning from rpg.net, which is clearly not only Serious Fucking Business (like all drama) but apparently the focal point in his life. There is "Before Pundit Was Banned from tBP", which was the height of an age of brutal intellectual honesty (:killingme:) and quality discussion, and there is "post-Ban", a dark age where the internet, and indeed all of gaming, is under attack by the twin forces of hyper-focused minigames and moderation ("But now I can't call Vampire players goth fags! You're crippling internet discourse about RPGs!) and only by lashing out from his bunker at the symbols of his banning, that most heinous of crimes, can Pundit possibly secure the world for HIS kind of gamer. Which is a shame, because it's possible that hounding people across the vastness of the internet in a self-pitying crusade is fucking pathetic.

Hey, Ape?
2005 called. It says it doesn't want its anti-pundit rant back, you can keep it, it was a stupid-ass rant to begin with.

Look around you. You're IN my fucking "bunker". You and nearly 3000 other dudes. The whole "Pundit is just one lame lone nutjob, no one supports him and he'll never amount to anything" was pretty much put to rest when my blog readership went through the roof (specifically, the roof of most of the blogs belonging to the stupid fucks who were making those kinds of claims).  And now, given the fact that I turned around a dead RPG site and turned it into what you see today, what you fucking post in today as a matter of fact, contrary to all the claims of the Swine who were just fucking desperate to see me fail and bring me down, the whole "pundit in the bunker" rant makes you look utterly retarded.  Especially if you write said rant on the very fucking Site That Pundit Built.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Christmas ApeIn truth, this can only apply if you were not in any way involved in his banning from rpg.net, which is clearly not only Serious Fucking Business (like all drama) but apparently the focal point in his life. There is "Before Pundit Was Banned from tBP", which was the height of an age of brutal intellectual honesty (:killingme:) and quality discussion, and there is "post-Ban", a dark age where the internet, and indeed all of gaming, is under attack by the twin forces of hyper-focused minigames and moderation ("But now I can't call Vampire players goth fags! You're crippling internet discourse about RPGs!) and only by lashing out from his bunker at the symbols of his banning, that most heinous of crimes, can Pundit possibly secure the world for HIS kind of gamer. Which is a shame, because it's possible that hounding people across the vastness of the internet in a self-pitying crusade is fucking pathetic.

Quote from: David RI don't think so, Sett. I think there are some folks here, some poor pathetic folks who can't get over they were banned from tBP. It was they who had man crushes on Cessna and needed some satisfaction.

Edit: There are so many folks you feel inferior to, very sad.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: fonkaygarryChristmas Ape's simian wisdom shines like a star. The only war here is between Pundit's ego and reality; the only casualty is this site's credibility.

Part of me was worried, back when I joined, that this place would turn into "NotRPGnet".  I think it's safe to say that ship sailed a good while back. Now the question is if all the Nox/TBP/Pundit bullshit will keep away new blood until this site stagnates and drops off the face of the earth.

Of course, it will all be worth it because Pundy got to rub his "victory" in the faces of two men he will never even lay eyes on.

My opinion has been expressed far better than I would have. I will say it again: it's time for people to stop flogging RPG.net's dead horse. Some of you were banned from there: life sometimes sucks. Get over it.

We seem to have different ideas of "built". But don't worry, I won't try to bring you down with reality.

I'll settle for pointing out that many other people here seem to have read my post with some degree of comprehension, rather than ignoring it and rubbing one off while screaming "I'M THE GREATEST EVAR! I WIN THE INTERNETS!", and that they agree with my actual point.

Site owners can be trolls too.

Quote from: RPGPunditThing is, I was defending him against others on here, when he'd stated that RPG.net had become a "boring and inane" place, I thought "FUCK, yes! Awesome! Cessna has finally seen the light of reason, and now welcome aboard and more power to you!".
Only now, he turns back around.

This is BS. If this was the case...hell if you said anything like this I doubt he would have left. Yeah he said "boring and inane" (I can't be sure but I don't doubt it) but as far as "admitting" his role.... come one. As usual you were trying to gain some ammo out of him being here to use against your war with tBP. Light of reason...Jesus, I (and I'm sure many others) are here because we find the posters interesting, not because we have seen the fuckin' light of reason.

QuoteAnd on top of that, you guys act like I just kicked the living shit out of Gandhi or something; like this fucker should be treated with kid gloves or something, just to have him around?

Nope, nobody was asking for special treatment for Cessna. If you had done this with with anyone else I'm sure you would have gotten the same response. The way you treated Cessna is directly connected with your (and others...Sett take a bow) feud with tBP. You wanted to use him as ammo and he said by leaving - "Fuck that"

QuoteIf he wants to be here to talk RPGs, that's great. But if he chooses to start talking about his experience at RPG.net, then he'd better get ready for some reactions for good and ill; and if he suddenly flip-flops on it, then all the moreso.

True, but notice he didn't have a problem with Seanchai or Sett dogpiling on him. But he did have a problem when the owner of this site started implying/distorting what he said as evidence of something....

QuoteIt doesn't mean he's going to be banned on here. I'm not going to speak in my modvoice and write in red lettering and suspend him, I'm just going to accuse him of hypocrisy. He doesn't have to run away like little girly-man; he could have responded, or he could have ignored me and just gone back to posting on the gaming forums of this site. Its not like I'd have gone onto the "other games" forum and interrupted his thread about Memoir '44 or something to keep going with the argument.

Yeah or maybe he just doesn't want to put up with this BS anymore. Ever think he may have wanted to leave all this BS politics behind and just talk about games. He was wrong if he thought that he could do it here. There are a few of you - Seanchai not included - who would use his presence here as some kind of win for this site. When really there is no real war.

And maybe just maybe he thought behind all this internet BS, therpgsite was really the place to talk about rpgs without censoring yourself. For most of the posters here it's true but for him, because of who he was, this will never be the case. And for fucks sake, cut out the girly man shit. Sett uses it often, the last thing you want is to start sounding like him.

About my suggestion of making JimBob a mod. Yeah "this machine kills facist" deals* only with tech problems and spammers. Okay, I suppose these problems could be considered facists. But fuck that, considering what they do here it was a dumb idea.

*For the record when I have had to deal with the mods about these problems they have been very professional and helpful, all of them. The Pundit, UmaSama and Jrients.

Regards,
David R

QuoteYeah or maybe he just doesn't want to put up with this BS anymore.

Maybe it´s because it was BS he did or supported back in the day?

Quote from: SettembriniMaybe it´s because it was BS he did or supported back in the day?

Maybe. And maybe you knew what tBP was when you signed up. Maybe you behaved like a dick on purpose. But this is today. This is therpgsite. Maybe it's time you let it go.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David RYeah or maybe he just doesn't want to put up with this BS anymore. Ever think he may have wanted to leave all this BS politics behind and just talk about games. He was wrong if he thought that he could do it here. There are a few of you - Seanchai not included - who would use his presence here as some kind of win for this site. When really there is no real war.

And maybe just maybe he thought behind all this internet BS, therpgsite was really the place to talk about rpgs without censoring yourself. For most of the posters here it's true but for him, because of who he was, this will never be the case. And for fucks sake, cut out the girly man shit. Sett uses it often, the last thing you want is to start sounding like him.

I think on reflection this is what particularly bugged me. That Cessna was just so fucking tired of rpg.net, he stepped down as admin on a permanent basis, he doesn't appear to chat there at all any more, and he wanted to talk about some fucking roleplaying games somewhere he didn't have to be Commissar Emeritus, you know? Somewhere that we didn't give a shit what his avatar used to look like, didn't give a damn what he'd done for tBP, where we'd just talk Traveller and wargames and shit. Somewhere that he was another gamer, who liked to talk games.

His mistake, I think, was either making it clear that it really was him or trying to actually engage Pundit in genuine conversation. When the dog barks, you bark back, then walk away.

Quotewhere we'd just talk Traveller and wargames and shit.

Nobody, nobody shitted in his game-talk with his past.
And nobody will.

Talk about games, he could.

Did he?

Not much.

So...he brought this on himself then Sett?

He invited it by posting to a thread about him, in response to Pundit's "HAHAHAH I WIN INTERNETS" bullshit?

Repeat:

Has anybody shitted on him in any On-Topic thread?
Did Pundit stalk him into his other discussions?

No. The drama erupted in a drama thread, only one participant couldn´t handle the drama.

Quote from: SettembriniRepeat:

Has anybody shitted on him in any On-Topic thread?
Did Pundit stalk him into his other discussions?

No. The drama erupted in a drama thread, only one participant couldn´t handle the drama.

So it's just a "poisoned well" argument?  Fuck that, Sett.  It's bullshit.

He tried to offer a bit of advice and Pundit twisted his comments to use in his fucking retarded "war."  That'd piss me off, too.  So yeah, he left.

Pundit was a dickhead.  That's all there is to it.

QuoteHe tried to offer a bit of advice and Pundit twisted his comments to use in his fucking retarded "war." That'd piss me off, too. So yeah, he left.

If you don´t see the ridiculousness in that...

Quote from: SettembriniIf you don´t see the ridiculousness in that...

I totally do.  That's why I said he was a dickhead.

Quote from: RPGPunditThing is, I was defending him against others on here, when he'd stated that RPG.net had become a "boring and inane" place, I thought "FUCK, yes! Awesome! Cessna has finally seen the light of reason, and now welcome aboard and more power to you!".

There's a clear line between gloating and offering an olive branch. You should have stuck to the latter.