My daughter is a feisty little thing, and when I asked her if she'd like to learn to fight she said "YEAH!"
I have my own ideas (which are probably stereotypes derived from popular culture), but I wondered if there are any practitioners out there who have an opinion on a good introductory art for a 5-year-old.
I'm leaning towards Thai kickboxing or pentjak silat, for cultural reasons. My wife likes capoeira. Feel free to criticise these choices.
I dunno, Droog. I think Martial arts are fine, even for five year olds. Specific styles are debateable, but largely a personal choice. Given the feild you've offered, I'd suggest Caopeiria, in the chance that when she grows older and may be less interested in fighting, she can always chose to focus on the dance side of things....
But what do i know? I zap motherfuckers with my tail.
I dunno, coming from the gallery of the unexperienced, if I was gonna learn a martial art, I would be most interested in one that's practical and could teach me the most useful self-defence skills. Then again, I haven't been five for a long time, that might have bored the crap out of me then.
Yeah, I thought she might like to punch and kick bags.
SAVATE!
Ok not really I just like it myself. I'd probably go with Kickboxing or Tae Kwon Do mostly for health aspects.
If you can find someone to teach Capoera its dance style might be useful if she chooses to go into acrobatics/gymnastics or dance, or just kick ass.
There is a capoiera association here. I've seen them strutting their stuff at festivals. It seems like lots of gymnastics, but that would be good for an active kid, I thought. Her mum did gymnastics as a kid and so did I.
IMO martial arts for children is much less about the art itself and much more about the philosophy of the dojo. I'd rather my kid learn Stooges-fu from Mister Miyagi then Dragonball-Z-jitsu from Cobra Kai.
Well ... uh ... not to put to fine a point on it, but are you sure you want to burden your five-year-old daughter with the ability to deliberately break bones and otherwise permanently injure her school-friends?
My recollection is that rough-housing at that age (particularly certain forms of boys vs. girls) can be all part and parcel of getting socialized. They can get away with a lot of that precisely because they have no skills whatsoever, and are bouncy enough to generally escape grievous harm. Kit out your daughter with even the rudiments of practical self-defense, and suddenly you've exiled her from that type of rough-housing. Either she wisely restrains herself, or else she jumps in and brutalizes someone.
I really don't know what capoeira (or, for that matter, kickboxing or pentjak silat) are teaching their youth classes. Maybe they've toned it down to a level of general fitness that won't add a burden of knowledge. But I'd recommend asking.
I was six when I started taking karate. If the child is the type to start fights then definitely don't do it, but generally speaking it should be ok, assuming a teacher that emphasizes respect over power.
Quote from: James McMurrayI was six when I started taking karate. If the child is the type to start fights then definitely don't do it, but generally speaking it should be ok, assuming a teacher that emphasizes respect over power.
Oh, hey, a test case! James, would you satisfy my curiosity (particularly as my eldest son is coming up on this age himself) and talk a bit about how you viewed the rough-housing I talked about, given the skills you'd picked up?
For some kids, 5 is a little young. The main thing is that they have to be old enough to pay attention and do what they're asked without goofing off.
The style wouldn't be important as finding a school/teacher who has experience teaching kids and whose outlook is compatible with yours.
It didn't really cross my mind much. When we wrestled I'd sometimes to a hip toss or something, but for the most part I was just like the rest of the kids. Of course, it wasn't some sort of intense training camp of how to brutalize your enemey, the classes were extremely focused on self defense. My sensei knew that kids needed a chance to use this stuff though, so we usually sparred a little each week. It gave us a chance to practice with people that knew how to fall down instead of looking for bullies on the playground.
I may not be a typical case though. I went to my uncle's dojo, although I never learned from him directly. I'm not sure if it was because our classes didn't mesh up or if he was avoiding a conflict of interests. If I had to wager I'd say the latter.
In any case, my dad knew from years of my uncle's experience that my sensei was good with kids and knew exactly how to teach them. When I go looking for a class for my son I won't have that benefit, so I expect to interview quite a few senseis and then spend some time watching them teach kids before I pick anyone.
Quote from: TonyLBWell ... uh ... not to put to fine a point on it, but are you sure you want to burden your five-year-old daughter with the ability to deliberately break bones and otherwise permanently injure her school-friends?
Any kid can do this by default.
On the other hand, any legitimate formal training in self-defense includes valuable lessons on the proper use of force.
Damn straight. If they're only being taught what to do and not when to do it, the teacher is bordering on the criminal IMO.
Capoeira would be a lot of fun for a little kid: loads of dancing and spinning and movement.
Something like judo might have a lot of use later in life, should she get interested enough to make her study lifelong.
Combat Sambo, Piper and 52 Blocks would be just dandy for making her into a pint-sized, preteen assassin. :D
Quote from: fonkaygarryCapoeira would be a lot of fun for a little kid: loads of dancing and spinning and movement.
Something like judo might have a lot of use later in life, should she get interested enough to make her study lifelong.
I agree with these two and for the reasons given. If there's one thing that Judo teaches you, it's how to fall over without hurting yourself and every five year-old would find this useful
Another advantage of capoeira is that it's difficult to hurt someone with it ;)
However, the most important thing is being able to trust the instructor
Quote from: James McMurrayI expect to interview quite a few senseis and then spend some time watching them teach kids before I pick anyone.
This is the best advice - watch a class at a place and consider if your kid would fit in and if you'd be comfortable with it.
Quote from: droogI'm leaning towards Thai kickboxing or pentjak silat, for cultural reasons. My wife likes capoeira. Feel free to criticise these choices.
Honestly, I'd consider Goju-Ryu Karate, though this particular Ryu is far harder to find instructors for than the more contemporary martial arts erroneously promoted as Karate (such as Kenpo, which is
not a recognized Okinawan Karate Ryu).
The one possible downside of Goju-Ryu Karate is that its instructors are typically not unlike Chiun from the Remo Williams novels in that they demand nothing less than 100% commitment. . .
I recall being denied a belt test, as my family was going on vacation at the time that my I was deemed 'ready' for said test. I was given a choice -- either present myself for testing, or go on vacation and be denied my test for another year.
I was 11 or 12 at the time. I had to wait a year to be tested for my brown belt.
James, I'm an actual, honest-to-god martial arts teacher, so I hope I know a little bit about dedication to the art ... and those people sound like jerks to me. "Vacation means no brown belt for you" indeed. How about "Cool! Send us a post-card. We'll test when you get back." Sheesh :rolleyes:
I'd fall back on previous advice: There are lots and lots of solid martial arts styles out there. It's hard to go wrong on that score. Go find a teacher you like and trust. For me, anyone who penalizes a student for having a life outside the dojo wouldn't fit that bill. YMMV.
Quote from: TonyLBJames, I'm an actual, honest-to-god martial arts teacher, so I hope I know a little bit about dedication to the art ... and those people sound like jerks to me. "Vacation means no brown belt for you" indeed. How about "Cool! Send us a post-card. We'll test when you get back." Sheesh :rolleyes:
To be honest, I would have rather gone for the belt test. Family vacations were the thing I would have rather avoided ;)
No worries, guys. Thanks for the advice. We're now leaning towards capoeira, especially since there's a couple of places near her new school. I'll be sure to check them out thoroughly as advised.
Quote from: TonyLBI'd fall back on previous advice: There are lots and lots of solid martial arts styles out there. It's hard to go wrong on that score. Go find a teacher you like and trust.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. It's just like gaming - If the GM rocks and the group rocks, the system doesn't matter
I've always been a fan of the oldest of martial arts...running.
Quote from: GunslingerI've always been a fan of the oldest of martial arts...running.
Now now, Gunslinger... can't outrun a bullet and all that!
But you can Kung Fu that bullet into submission. :D
Late to the thread, but here goes:
At the little kid level, martial arts adds up mainly to exercise and discipline. A couple of hours a week on the mats for little kids isn't going to turn them into something dangerous, and it's likely to make them more comfortable with conflict while teaching a little self control.
Attitude makes the killer.
Quote from: Divine HammerAttitude makes the killer.
Well, she does keep talking about cutting peoples' heads off....
Quote from: droogWell, she does keep talking about cutting peoples' heads off....
Um, keep her away from weapons forms, then.
I used to do a lot of (organized) fighting. I did boxing and kickboxing at a local, competitive level, and I got any full-contact work I could. I loved the contact and competition, and I genuinely enjoyed laying leather into an opponent, even if he was a good friend.
Later, I picked up some grappling styles and started doing mixed-art work. That was fun, too, even if there wasn't as much pure hitting going on.
Now, I'm comparatively out of practice, older, and slower. But I'm more dangerous in a real fight, because I don't fight for sport now. My mental conditioning is about incapacitating someone. I set aside a little time each day to keep a little bit of aggression burning in case I need it.
A few moves and some sparring will be good for your daughter. If she really seems to be conditioning herself to kill, something a little weirder is going on. I wouldn't get my daughter going that way until she's about 11.
Quote from: Divine HammerIf she really seems to be conditioning herself to kill, something a little weirder is going on.
It's just 5-year-old stuff. I'm not worried....yet....