Ant-Business Attitude of Gamers

jgants · September 13, 2007, 02:21:55 PM

Quote from: Christmas ApeYes, but here's your OP from this thread: Which, coming as it does with no quoted post you're replying to with it, seems to make this an entirely new thread about globalization, rather than in any way related to gaming. This may be the most on topic thread on the whole site and you're complaining?

And really, if you go back to my original quote that started the OP, you'll see that what I was suggesting is that perhaps the under-35 demographic may have an aversion to big businesses in RPGs because they have a bias against them in general due to all of the things going on in the world.

Christmas Ape · September 13, 2007, 02:33:32 PM

Quote from: jgantsAnd really, if you go back to my original quote that started the OP, you'll see that what I was suggesting is that perhaps the under-35 demographic may have an aversion to big businesses in RPGs because they have a bias against them in general due to all of the things going on in the world.

Sure, bring your facts into this.

Though I would like to note I didn't bother with the thread for a couple days because of the subject typo - "ant-business attitude" made no sense to me. Wasn't until I found the thread you refer to that I figured out what this was.

RPGPundit · September 13, 2007, 03:49:33 PM

Quote from: Pierce InverarityJesus. Have you not read up on what's going on in China? The work conditions? The environmental ravaging that's happening? People cry their eyes out when a handful of US miners die on CNN. In China, several thousand of them die every year. Several thousand. And that's just one detail of the industrial revolution they're undergoing which makes Liverpool circa 1850 a warm and fuzzy place.

*That's* the real terror of outsourcing--not that we get lead content in Mattel toys but that China managed to invent Stalinist Capitalism: provide a docile workforce for foreign-contracted or foreign-owned factories.

People would have died by the thousand in Maoist Chinese mining operations too; the only difference is now the workers in those foreign-owned mines are being paid 20 times what chinese workers are normally paid, and will be able to actually afford to give their children the chance to be something other than miners in the future.

The bleeding-heart fashionable-lefties in the states always seem to ignore that little detail, and would clearly prefer that those theoretical mineworkers have to work in a state mine, for 1/20th what they currently earn, and with no opportunity for advancement.

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RPGPundit · September 13, 2007, 03:50:16 PM

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaNo problem. I am, however, upset that globalised trade is ultimately non-sustainable from an economic, environmental, and social perspective. I will feel sorry for all of those poor third worlders when it's no longer profitable to outsource work to their nations and they're left high and dry.*

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(*...or dead)

By then, the big corporations will be Indian and Chinese, and its North America that will be left high and dry...

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RPGPundit · September 13, 2007, 03:54:56 PM

Quote from: Pierce InverarityHere's hoping they will finally sock it to their oppressors and kick out the parasites sometime soon.

Um, I do believe that's how China got into this mess in the first place? You know, the People's Republic and all that?

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RPGPundit · September 13, 2007, 03:58:38 PM

Quote from: walkerpOr South America, where some of the larger and previously more succesful economies have been driven into the ground by "globalism" (i.e. IMF and World Bank market manipulation and political extortion).

Please name one. I could name you lots that like to BLAME the IMF and World Bank, and I certainly don't think those two particular organizations are very nice groups with the concern of the average latinamerican coming first in their hearts, but I do believe that any economy that was "driven into the ground" around here (like Argentina, which I'm guessing is your example) was done so by the massive corruption and theft commited by its own high officials.

Argentinians drove Argentina into the ground. The fact that Menem got a medal from the IMF while he was also stealing his own country blind doesn't stop the fact that it WAS Menem who was doing it, and that it was the Argentine people who elected him.

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Drew · September 13, 2007, 03:59:09 PM

Regarding the under 35 hatred for big business-- I always thought it was my lot (Generation X) who were supposed to be violently opposed to corporations and globalisation.

Generation Y aren't supposed to give a shit. They're defined by apathy, or at least that's my understanding of it. These days I need an ear trumpet just to make out what the little blighters are on about. 'Gangsta' this and 'shizzle' that, it's all greek to me etc.

RPGPundit · September 13, 2007, 04:02:07 PM

Quote from: jgantsAnd really, if you go back to my original quote that started the OP, you'll see that what I was suggesting is that perhaps the under-35 demographic may have an aversion to big businesses in RPGs because they have a bias against them in general due to all of the things going on in the world.

I think that its just because a lot of Nerds in general (including gamers) like to imagine that they're very well informed, when in fact they aren't, and are simply very attentive to whatever is ideologically "in fashion". And it is certainly ideologically "in fashion" to have a leftist-hate-on for anything capitalist.

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Ian Absentia · September 13, 2007, 04:22:25 PM

Quote from: RPGPunditUm, I do believe that's how China got into this mess in the first place? You know, the People's Republic and all that?

And it's high time they did it again, by golly.

!i!

TonyLB · September 13, 2007, 04:40:07 PM

Quote from: RPGPunditBy then, the big corporations will be Indian and Chinese, and its North America that will be left high and dry...

I'm honestly not concerned by a future where the big corporations are (nominally) Indian or Chinese, any more than I am comforted by a present where the big corporations are (nominally) American. The whole lesson of globalizations is that corporations don't do patriotism. Doesn't matter what country they sprung from, they are true citizens of the world.

Now America may well be screwed if American workers deliver less value for the dollar (or rupee or lira) than their counterparts elsewhere in the world. But that's the case whether the corporation that's buying from Estonia rather than Peoria is American, Indian or Martian.

J Arcane · September 13, 2007, 04:40:11 PM

Quote from: DrewRegarding the under 35 hatred for big business-- I always thought it was my lot (Generation X) who were supposed to be violently opposed to corporations and globalisation.

Generation Y aren't supposed to give a shit. They're defined by apathy, or at least that's my understanding of it. These days I need an ear trumpet just to make out what the little blighters are on about. 'Gangsta' this and 'shizzle' that, it's all greek to me etc.

What you miss is that the reason behind such apathy is often because of a general feeling that the previous generation lost, and there's nothing really they can do about it.

Much like how the rising voter apathy in the US is not because people don't care, but because people have realized it doesn't really matter when the candidates are all crooks across the board, with the few genuine standouts usually drummed out of the running.

Drew · September 13, 2007, 04:55:24 PM

Quote from: J ArcaneWhat you miss is that the reason behind such apathy is often because of a general feeling that the previous generation lost, and there's nothing really they can do about it.

Much like how the rising voter apathy in the US is not because people don't care, but because people have realized it doesn't really matter when the candidates are all crooks across the board, with the few genuine standouts usually drummed out of the running.

Actually I am aware of that. My slight confusion was over activism and political passion being ascribed to a generation whom are typically identified in terms of apathy. Not that I necessarily agree with that, it just struck me as interesting.

But what do I know? I'm 35, and the music is starting to sound more like noise these days...

James J Skach · September 13, 2007, 05:16:09 PM

Quote from: DrewActually I am aware of that. My slight confusion was over activism and political passion being ascribed to a generation whom are typically identified in terms of apathy. Not that I necessarily agree with that, it just struck me as interesting.

But what do I know? I'm 35, and the music is starting to sound more like noise these days...

Welcome, my son. Welcome. Let me show you where we keep the fibercon and the reader's digest....

jgants · September 13, 2007, 05:50:49 PM

Quote from: J ArcaneWhat you miss is that the reason behind such apathy is often because of a general feeling that the previous generation lost, and there's nothing really they can do about it.

Much like how the rising voter apathy in the US is not because people don't care, but because people have realized it doesn't really matter when the candidates are all crooks across the board, with the few genuine standouts usually drummed out of the running.

Yep. To paraphrase Micheal Moore, "The rich have two political parties, we don't have any."

This year we have more people running for president than I can ever remember being the case. And what do I see? A couple of nut jobs and a whole bunch of bland clones that may as well have come off an assembly line.

I suppose it doesn't matter anyways. It's pretty clear that the average American voter is dumber than a box of rocks (much like our president) and bases their vote on the dumbest, most transparent ploys by these crooks.

Drew · September 13, 2007, 06:08:57 PM

Quote from: James J SkachWelcome, my son. Welcome. Let me show you where we keep the fibercon and the reader's digest....

Corking idea, old bean. Throw in some menthol lozenges and I'll be all set for a quiet afternoon in front of the telly watching the classics of yesteryear. Halloween, Jaws, The Exorcist... by gum they knew how to build suspense in those days, wot wot? Now it's all jumps and scares and MTV editing etc....