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Author Topic: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.  (Read 1647 times)

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #45 on: November 03, 2021, 11:03:27 PM »
I do feel for BCT though. Trying to watch 80's Transformers cartoons nowadays is kind of wince-worthy, except for a few notable ones.

A lot of 80's cartoons are wince. I loved Robotech, but I can't watch it nowadays. The inane, repeating dialog just drives me insane now.
Dude, do you like have a grudge or something? Did Starcraft steal your girlfriend?

Seriously, the last time I saw this much salt over a video game was this one fellow who was absolutely assblasted about Darkest Dungeon and couldn't shut the fuck up for five minutes about how it was a walking simulator.
Sorry. I used to love StarCraft as a kid because kids are stupid and can't critically evaluate fiction. As an adult, I came back to StarCraft, started evaluating it critically

That was your first mistake.

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and grew disgusted and frustrated with the world building and writing. When I tried talking about this on the fan forums, around the time that SC2 LotV was in full swing, I got deeply burned by flame wars. I'm still healing.

And your second.

I say this not to mock, but to actually put it into perspective. Sometimes you outgrow the things you loved as a kid. You can either turn off your adult brain and enjoy them as a kid-at-heart again, or move on. I have my nerdy nitpicks that get me going on message forums, but they'll never be resolved.
Different stories age differently. I don’t feel the same way about other RTS franchises like Command & Conquer. There are many genuine children’s shows that I can watch and turn my brain off with. Or appreciate without turning my brain off.

And as I said, my problem is more that the fans who didn’t leave in disgust are idiots with shit taste who take criticism of the bad writing as a personal attack. Fuck those guys.

... am I going to point out the hypocracy in calling people idiots with shit taste because they didn't agree with you, guilty of taking criticism as a personal attack?
I guess I just did.
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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2021, 06:08:41 AM »
If Lucas had stuck to tidying up the SFX in the original trilogy, and slotted the cut scenes into a 'deleted scenes' section in the DVD, there would've been no problems.

But Lucas really ISN'T a great filmmaker. He's a good one, but at the end of the day, remember that A New Hope is a retelling of Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress.

Especially the part at the end of Hidden Fortress where Toshiro Mifune goes on a bombing mission in World War 2.</sarc>

You can see the influences of Hidden Fortress on parts of Star Wars, but it is not a carbon copy. If Toshiro Mifune is Obi-Wan, then he basically wins the lightsaber battle on the Death Star, and the movie ends right there.

You can say the two peasants are R2D2 and C3PO, but there are no equivalent characters for Luke, Han, Chewie, or Darth Vader. There is no equivalent for The Force. Hidden Fortress is a much simpler story told on a much smaller scale.
Don't take my word for it.

https://www.starwars.com/news/the-cinema-behind-star-wars-the-hidden-fortress

And Magnificent Seven is a retelling of Seven Samurai. Way more of a copy than Star Wars and Hidden Fortress.
I don't understand why that necessarily means Lucas isn't a good storyteller.

Lets see, what all did Lucas borrow from and then trademark and copyright?

Hidden Fortress is one. But they both share some aspects with Flash Gordon which Lucas wanted to make into a movie. Chewbacca is a very obvious Thun the Lion Man.
Theres a music cue and especially the title crawl from the Buck Rogers serial.
The Death Star run is inspired by a movie called Dam Busters.
R2 and 3PO share some elements with Laurel & Hardy and other comedic teams as does the two in Hidden Fortress. Nothing new there and both are probably drawing from classical sources in film or stage even.

And so on. I have seen Hidden Fortress and yeah theres some obvious inspiration there. But Star Wars borrows from alot of different things. Alot.