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Author Topic: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.  (Read 1655 times)

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Lets start by destroying the hopes of all Dr. Who fans (me included)

"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Russell T. Davies is a frothing madman. #RIPDrWho

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2021, 01:59:50 PM »
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Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2021, 09:16:14 AM »
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It feels like shit.

It feels like freedom. I'm no longer chained to nostalgia. It is easier for me to look at new stuff in its own context, rather than constantly comparing to the old franchises.

Granted, that exposes even more how much a lot of the new stuff sucks...

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2021, 10:29:29 AM »
I'm working on my own Star Trek-like setting & scripts since it's obvious that Abrams, Kurtzman et. al. will never acknowledge their works are incompatible with the spirit of ST or relinquish control of the franchise.

Feels good.

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2021, 07:42:40 PM »
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Lets start by destroying the hopes of all Dr. Who fans (me included)

"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Russell T. Davies is a frothing madman. #RIPDrWho

I'm not saying Russel T. Davies is not woke gay madman. But his seasons of DW were way better than Moffats and Chibnalls, and he was already raging gay leftist then. Just way better showrunner (Moffat best episodes are within Davies season spun narratives, Moffat unleashed turned into nonsensical farce - now one could say DW was always nonsensical farce. That's true. Trick is to make me believe during watching it's not.
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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2021, 08:22:12 PM »
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Lets start by destroying the hopes of all Dr. Who fans (me included)

"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Russell T. Davies is a frothing madman. #RIPDrWho

I'm not saying Russel T. Davies is not woke gay madman. But his seasons of DW were way better than Moffats and Chibnalls, and he was already raging gay leftist then. Just way better showrunner (Moffat best episodes are within Davies season spun narratives, Moffat unleashed turned into nonsensical farce - now one could say DW was always nonsensical farce. That's true. Trick is to make me believe during watching it's not.

Even raging ideologues can have talent and put their ideals into the perspective of telling a good story.
Ones that don't tend to make the dreary anvilicious woke crap.
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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2021, 10:08:18 PM »
Keep in mind that <CurrentYear> isn't <PriorYear>. Reality of living in <CurrentYear> is that many formerly-sane people are now wildly deranged.

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2021, 10:19:48 PM »
Keep in mind that <CurrentYear> isn't <PriorYear>. Reality of living in <CurrentYear> is that many formerly-sane people are now wildly deranged.
Iterate at least a dozen times.

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2021, 04:49:16 PM »
I'm working on my own Star Trek-like setting & scripts since it's obvious that Abrams, Kurtzman et. al. will never acknowledge their works are incompatible with the spirit of ST or relinquish control of the franchise.

Feels good.
I'm doing something similar with franchises that were ruined by incompetent studios before the wokeness took over.

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2021, 08:55:55 AM »
I never hated Abrams, but it was painfully clear he was a fan -- and fans are not always the best people to put in charge of a franchise, whether it's film, game, or book.

It was as if you let a highly enthusiastic fanfic writer tackle things. Sure, they mean well, but you've got a better chance of getting My Immortal than you do The Last Ringbearer.

And that's with someone who LIKES the franchise. Get someone in there who's got ulterior motives (using the franchise to push their agenda) and to quote a certain annoying actor, "Oh my."

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2021, 11:52:34 AM »
I never hated Abrams, but it was painfully clear he was a fan -- and fans are not always the best people to put in charge of a franchise, whether it's film, game, or book.

It was as if you let a highly enthusiastic fanfic writer tackle things. Sure, they mean well, but you've got a better chance of getting My Immortal than you do The Last Ringbearer.

And that's with someone who LIKES the franchise. Get someone in there who's got ulterior motives (using the franchise to push their agenda) and to quote a certain annoying actor, "Oh my."

Fan of what though. ST 09 was superficially Star Trek, in the way the sequels were superficially Star Wars. Lots of people running around and things whizzing around and emotional gloss over dumb storytelling.

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2021, 01:13:34 PM »
I never hated Abrams, but it was painfully clear he was a fan -- and fans are not always the best people to put in charge of a franchise, whether it's film, game, or book.

It was as if you let a highly enthusiastic fanfic writer tackle things. Sure, they mean well, but you've got a better chance of getting My Immortal than you do The Last Ringbearer.

And that's with someone who LIKES the franchise. Get someone in there who's got ulterior motives (using the franchise to push their agenda) and to quote a certain annoying actor, "Oh my."

Fan of what though. ST 09 was superficially Star Trek, in the way the sequels were superficially Star Wars. Lots of people running around and things whizzing around and emotional gloss over dumb storytelling.
That's kind of the point. Abrams may love ST and SW, but he's not competent enough to kindle the same spark that past movies and TV showings did. Just like most fanfic writers.


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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2021, 02:09:13 PM »
Fan of what though. ST 09 was superficially Star Trek, in the way the sequels were superficially Star Wars. Lots of people running around and things whizzing around and emotional gloss over dumb storytelling.

That's kind of the point. Abrams may love ST and SW, but he's not competent enough to kindle the same spark that past movies and TV showings did. Just like most fanfic writers.

I haven't liked pretty much any of Abrams' work - though Regarding Henry and Super 8 were ok. I for sure hated his Star Trek reboot and his Star Wars sequels.

However, even someone who is competent is *still* likely to screw up a franchise. Many of the franchises I like were messed up by their own creators -- like how George Lucas messed up Star Wars with the prequels, or how Peter Jackson messed up the Tolkien films with the Hobbit films, or how Spielberg messed up Indiana Jones with Crystal Skull.

The idea of a franchise that proceeds without being messed up seems mostly like a pipe dream to me. I prefer to see franchises as having upturns and downturns, rather than dying and resurrecting. Doctor Who has had lots of upturns and downturns through its history over the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and on.

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Re: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here," Your Beloved franchise is dead.
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2021, 02:38:47 PM »
Fan of what though. ST 09 was superficially Star Trek, in the way the sequels were superficially Star Wars. Lots of people running around and things whizzing around and emotional gloss over dumb storytelling.

That's kind of the point. Abrams may love ST and SW, but he's not competent enough to kindle the same spark that past movies and TV showings did. Just like most fanfic writers.

I haven't liked pretty much any of Abrams' work - though Regarding Henry and Super 8 were ok. I for sure hated his Star Trek reboot and his Star Wars sequels.

However, even someone who is competent is *still* likely to screw up a franchise. Many of the franchises I like were messed up by their own creators -- like how George Lucas messed up Star Wars with the prequels, or how Peter Jackson messed up the Tolkien films with the Hobbit films, or how Spielberg messed up Indiana Jones with Crystal Skull.

The idea of a franchise that proceeds without being messed up seems mostly like a pipe dream to me. I prefer to see franchises as having upturns and downturns, rather than dying and resurrecting. Doctor Who has had lots of upturns and downturns through its history over the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and on.

Lucas' greatest mistake was the changes he made to the films in the Special Editions. I can ignore the sequels, and think the prequels are flawed but still in the spirit of Star Wars, but I can never watch the originals again, except as poor quality transfers on some box set's extras disk.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
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