Quote from: HinterWeltI am not talking about using a pseudonym, I am talking about lying about who you are. You may see it differently. I find it intellectually dishonest and cowardly. I would not debate with such a fabrication.

YMMV,
Bill

How the fuck do you know that Pundit is a liar when it comes to who he says he is? Do you think he might be Ron Edwards himself doing some kind of weird PR stunt?:rolleyes:

Quote from: Alnagand Pundit to anticipate the outcome... and honestly, I don't think that is necessary to spill that much blood and hate around here.

Although on the other hand... it is a bit tempting... a bit.

Ok. Have my vote than... I want to see if that "guy" is brave enought to come here...

Some of you seem to have rushed over my proposal. The arbiter referees the debate and enforces a respectful attitude. It would,hopefully, not be a bloodbath but something close to talking to each other. It would give some insight into the participants characters as well as clear up who is the K Fed and who is the Britney!:D

Quote from: James J SkachSecond: You'd have to ask yourself: What would Mr. Edwards get from it?  Let's face it; this entire debacle has always been about what Mr. Edwards could get from it.  How can Mr. Edwards market the kind of games Mr. Edwards likes?  How can Mr. Edwards build an exclusive club to further his marketing goals?  How can a pseudo-intellectual approach be used to further sales of Mr. Edwards' games and other games he likes in order to diminish the negative impact of network externalities?  If you can't provide Mr. Edwards with some significant compensation for his effort, he won't be here. And let's be clear, I don't think that's wrong.  Selfishness is a virtue.

I agree on your opinion. It will at least show RE's personality a lot clearer, and the "train wreck" will be arbitrated to become a slow shunt.

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaGuys.  Coming from someone who lurks for months, and only resurfaces to resurrect dormant threads with two-month-late witty retorts, how can anyone take Anthrobot's proposal as "serious"?

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Go and take some SSRIs Ian, instead of being a troll. In this proposal I'm serious for once. I'm guilty of a lot of things, including necromancy. It still doesn't invalidate this proposal.

Quote from: J ArcaneI was wondering if someone was going to bring that up.

This is likely just a pathetic attempt at sabotage.  He's seen the deleterious effects the recent Forge invasions and press conferences have had on traffic here, and hopes to con us all into somehow submitting to the same thing again.

I'm frankly rather angry about the way things have been going lately, and don't see any reason to exacerbate the situation with more of the same shit.

No I'm being serious. Why not have a moderated debate. If you are scared of what we might find out, then run off and hide from it.

See, the problem with a troll like this, is you actually have to have SOME credibility left with the audience.

Really, what the fuck is with people today?  The performances have been pathetic.  It's like no one's even trying on this board anymore.  Rambling irrelevancies, rehashed arguments from 30 years ago, and the world's most transparent troll.

This place has really jumped the shark ever since the goddamn Forge invasion, and the damn Poison'd nonsense.

Quote from: AnthrobotGo and take some SSRIs Ian, instead of being a troll. In this proposal I'm serious for once. I'm guilty of a lot of things, including necromancy. It still doesn't invalidate this proposal.

"Kettle?"   "Here, meet black"


- Ed C.

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaWell, I had to.  He made fun of me in another thread that he dug up from months back, and Pundy closed the thread before I had a chance to post a scathing reply. :mad:

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So I peed in your wheatos! Big deal. You're perfect in your track record on this site I take it? If you had proposed this debate I'd be writing that it was a good thing and we might get something out of it.
At the least that RE is pretentious.

Quote from: Kyle AaronI'm not neutral, no. But I am impartial. Ron Edwards and RPGPundit are both crazy. I did call the latter "Mirror Ron", remember. And I have mocked and scorned RPGPundit's lack of debating skills every time he's had a "Pistols at Dawn" thread.

However, none of the other threads had a "referee", why would this thread get one?

The difference between the two is not their level of madness, but that Edwards has an actual theory you can critique or praise as you see fit; RPGPundit offers abuse but not criticism of the theory, and offers none in its place. So RPGPundit gets less criticism himself, there's less actual substance to knock down. Ron Edwards may have built a house of cards, but RPGPundit is just hot air.

But the others are correct that Edwards would never come here. He never ventures out of his own little backyard Forge, except for brief visits to particularly supportive blogs. He won't even discuss his ideas with his supporters anymore, having closed his Theory subforum - why would he discuss his ideas with his detractors?

Finally some sanity. I aso agree that RE lacks the guts to actually have a proper debate about his "theories" with the Pundit.
Detractors please note that I'm being civil to Kyle. Theres jesting and then theres being serious.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron"You had fun, therefore you are playing Narr," and "You didn't have fun, therefore you don't understand TBM" does not count as "discussion" in the sense that I meant it.

You will find me trying out Burning Wheel, HeroQuest, and at the same time, Forward! To Adventure. I have played Sorcerer and Dogs, and still have my copy of AD&D from my first year of gaming in 1983. So I think it's fair to say that I'm impartial and open-minded about things in terms of the Swine Wars (such as they are). I don't see a similar open-mindedness in either Ron, or Mirror Ron. Though Mirror Ron, to his credit, will leave alone discussions of things he thinks are crazy. That is, though he's crazy, he is at least willing to live and let live.

 Detractors please read Kyle's posts to gauge his fitness as arbiter. He calls some of Pundit's ranting "absurd" for heaven's sake!
Kyle is no lap dog or yes man for Pundit's view of things. Plus Kyle believes that RE should be able to come here and talk about his "crappy games".
The refereed limited thread of my proposal would bind the excessive influence of Ronist bullshit and tone down some of Pundy's hyperbolic ranting.

There's such a thing as overselling the con.  Especially when the game was up before it really began.  

I hate seeing idiots try to be clever.  It's just so pathetic.  Like watching the retarded kid try to respond to insults from his classmates.

Quote from: RPGPunditKyle is a joke, who couldn't debate his way out of a wet paper bag.  He has no business criticizing anyone's debate skills, much less mine. Thus, the idea that he'd have any business actually moderating a debate is patently absurd.

Edwards is a coward and a control freak, who has set up his forum as his own little cultish-kingdom specifically so he never has to be in a situation where he isn't in absolute control of the conversation.
So the very idea he'd debate here is absurd.

RPGPundit

You're a joke sometimes Pundit. At least Kyle has the cohones to have an opinion and not be afraid to debate that opinion.If he was the arbitrator in such a debate it would be to keep some of the more firey name calling in check.Ron Edwards could still be asked if he called D&D players brain damaged/ retarded/idiots or whatever.
 I agree that Ronny boy won't turn up. But there is a small chance that he just might.
And who is to say that he might be lurking, reading these posts at this present time?

Quote from: J ArcaneSee, the problem with a troll like this, is you actually have to have SOME credibility left with the audience.

Really, what the fuck is with people today?  The performances have been pathetic.  It's like no one's even trying on this board anymore.  Rambling irrelevancies, rehashed arguments from 30 years ago, and the world's most transparent troll.

This place has really jumped the shark ever since the goddamn Forge invasion, and the damn Poison'd nonsense.

Please calm down. This proposal isn't a Forge invasion. The thread would be a cordoned off zone where only Pundy and RE and the referee could post. If you don't like debate, then please go off and relax. Shoot up some scag, take some fluoxetine,take some E, smoke some dope, relax and come back to this proposal with a fresher mind.
If I'm guilty of trolling, in the past, it does not invalidate my proposal. I want you to take me seriously on this. I know that the debate is unlikely to occur. But stranger things have happened. All of us who read or participate in these forums deserve to get a decent reasonable debate on the RE/Pundit differences. It probably won't reconcile each of them to the others point of view. But it might give us some deeper insight into the protagonists and help us all to confirm or alter our ideas about the whole debacle.

Quote from: AnthrobotSo I peed in your wheatos! Big deal.

What are wheatos?

Quote from: jeff37923What are wheatos?

 Thats when a Cheeto and a wheatie get friendly in that very special way....
then a little while later you get a  "Wheato"



- Ed C.