Quote from: Christmas ApeNothing Pundit does with people he considers enemies even borders on coherent, let alone an actual useful debate.

Dude, read the 'pistols At dawn' thread in the game theory section. Are you seriously proposing that Pundit's replies are not coherent useful replies in that debate?
Lack of coherency, being incoherent...Where have I read that kind of accusation before.....
From Forgeites!:eek:

Quote from: Kyle AaronThat's just their schtick, and they've made their reputations on it, so won't be changing it now. As Ape-Boy said, it'd just be a poo-flinging exercise. And Edwards wouldn't come, and if he did come, would leave after a few posts of being abused by RPGPundit.

I hate to say it, but you are probably right about this.
But it wouldn't hurt to put your hypothesis to the test.

Quote from: AnthrobotDude, read the 'pistols At dawn' thread in the game theory section. Are you seriously proposing that Pundit's replies are not coherent useful replies in that debate?
Lack of coherency, being incoherent...Where have I read that kind of accusation before.....
From Forgeites!:eek:

I'm saying Levi wasn't an enemy. On the wrong side, but not an enemy.

Quote from: Christmas ApeI'm saying Levi wasn't an enemy. On the wrong side, but not an enemy.

So where does the lack of coherency come in?:confused:

Even when he is in full rant, Pundit retains more coherency per square inch than a gaggle of Forgeite fools.
Any debate would show Forge "theory" for the utter sham it is. It would also show that far too many folks have gullibly fallen for shit with fake gold wrapping.
Forge "theory" deserves to be publicly destroyed using terse rational argument. We might have to blindfold and tie up Pundit, to give Ron Edwards a fighting chance in the debate because RE is nothing but a "Glass Jawed Joe" masquerading as a heavyweight!

Quote from: Anthrobotbecause RE is nothing but a "Glass Jawed Joe" masquerading as a heavyweight!

"Watch the jaw!! Don't hit my jaw!"





:haw:

(I couldn't allow to let this perfect assist for a geek reference pass away.)

Quote from: Skyrock

"Watch the jaw!! Don't hit my jaw!"





:haw:

(I couldn't allow to let this perfect assist for a geek reference pass away.)

Danke, I'm glad that someone caught my game geek reference.:cool:
If I'm not mistaken there is only one day left to vote for, or against the debate. If you haven't voted, then please consider doing so.

Quote from: AnthrobotSo where does the lack of coherency come in? :confused:

Go back and read the ostensibly similar thread with TonyLB. It's pretty much Pundit having a fit and declaring victory.

QuoteEven when he is in full rant, Pundit retains more coherency per square inch than a gaggle of Forgeite fools.
Any debate would show Forge "theory" for the utter sham it is. It would also show that far too many folks have gullibly fallen for shit with fake gold wrapping.
Forge "theory" deserves to be publicly destroyed using terse rational argument. We might have to blindfold and tie up Pundit, to give Ron Edwards a fighting chance in the debate because RE is nothing but a "Glass Jawed Joe" masquerading as a heavyweight!

You know, your pressing need to give him a big sloppy blowjob of praise aside, I think it's already been handily destroyed by its own jargon. The three CAs are the only parts of it people on the rest of the gaming internet ever talk about, barring a few die-hard advocates and apologists who'd tell you it was a good sound theory full of practical utility while Big Uncle Ronnie pounded their hams, and they're generally using the words in a way that makes GNS cops shit their pants in fury. NOBODY knows what it means, which is as good a way to defeat an idea as any. It's basically dead theory, but Pundit seems to want to keep fibrillating it so he can punch it in the face a few times on live TV (if you'll excuse a ham-handed metaphor). Even assuming it looked more like the cogent discussion with Levi, rather than the "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU SO I WIN THE THREAD" episode Tony got, it'd be redundant.

Quote from: Christmas ApeGo back and read the ostensibly similar thread with TonyLB. It's pretty much Pundit having a fit and declaring victory.

You know, your pressing need to give him a big sloppy blowjob of praise aside(Is that jealousy I detect?), I think it's already been handily destroyed by its own jargon. which is as good a way to defeat an idea as any. It's basically dead theory, but Pundit seems to want to keep fibrillating it so he can punch it in the face a few times on live TV (if you'll excuse a ham-handed metaphor). Even assuming it looked more like the cogent discussion with Levi, rather than the "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU SO I WIN THE THREAD" episode Tony got, it'd be redundant.

Can you please put a link to this Tony LB debacle so that I can see it for myself?
"A big sloppy blowjob of praise",hardly(you have to praise your whippet before the race, to encourage it  to run!). Pundit retains more coherence than most Forgeites I've read. And he can argue coherently when the mood takes him. Pundit's down side is a cringeworthy plagiarism of Monty Python that is totally unfunny and nerdworthy in the extreme. Also his liking for John Lennon and spanish poetry leaves me feeling queasy. Ron Edwards might be a total wanker but I bet his taste in music is a hell of a lot better(only joking)!
Is this the "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" quote from Pundit  to Tony LB:
"Because these assumptions are built into GNS theory, this mentality would end up being true of anyone who is basing their ideas about gaming on GNS/Big Model theories, yes.
There's no way you can use GNS/Big Model stuff WITHOUT these things, they are built into the fundamental assumptions of the theory."

Yep. Pundit certainly is incoherently ranting and evading the issue in this quote.NOT.

Looks like I'm a little late for the party, eh?

Have the debate. It's a great idea. I wouldn't try to enforce politeness though. Let the discussion flow organically. Furthermore, I'd let other posters join the fun. A baseball game is not half as fun without the stadium full of people around it.

I'd have an interviewer post a few general questions though to get the ball rolling, and then Pundit, Ron, and the rest of the crowd can run with the ball from there.

Nice, wholesome entertainment! :haw:

Quote from: Sacrificial LambLooks like I'm a little late for the party, eh?

Have the debate. It's a great idea. I wouldn't try to enforce politeness though. Let the discussion flow organically. Furthermore, I'd let other posters join the fun. A baseball game is not half as fun without the stadium full of people around it.

I'd have an interviewer post a few general questions though to get the ball rolling, and then Pundit, Ron, and the rest of the crowd can run with the ball from there.

Nice, wholesome entertainment! :haw:

As much as I'd fucking well love the totally entertaining flame war that would ensue in the free for all you propose:D , my idea was for something more considered.Only the two debators and moderator would be allowed to post (see the excellent 'Pistols at Dawn' in the theory section of this site).
I'd be inclined ( if you asked my opinion) to let Pundit have the first questions seeing as it is his site and his accusations against RE appear to carry much weight.
Since voting is over and those who want to see a debate have won....who do we have as moderator of this debate? Kyle Aaron or Thjafi? Or someone else? And who gets to ask RE if he is up to defending the steaming pile o' crap that is his "theory"? It will have to be someone who knows or respects RE and wants to see his pretentions actually tested in the light of day. Then the request just might entice RE to the arena ( I'm not holding my breath over this, though).