Quote from: J ArcaneDude, guilty pleasure as it once was for me, even I can admit that SG-1 really just isn't that great.  It was decent for syndicated schlock in it's middle years, but it hasn't been good in a long time, what with SciFi doing it's level best to run it into the ground.

I dunno. 10 seasons long, very few bad episodes.

More'n I can say about your X-Files.

Can't say I have too many problems with their choices, outside of The Matrix taking the top spot, but lists like these are always biased in one direction or another.

Quote from: J ArcaneWTF kind of crack are you smoking that you'd put that above DS9?

The same kind of crack that's going to make me go psychotic and bust a cap in your bitch ass, yo!  Seriously, though, DS9 was slow out of the gates, but finished well.  I personally thought it told a better story than TNG, but I can understand why they didn't choose it for the list.  Hey, I think we can at least agree that leaving Voyager and Enterprise off the list was a step in the right direction.

Quote from: SosthenesAnd yep, Wrath of Khan was actually included.

I was going to point that out as sort of your consolation prize.  If anything, I think it merited a spot higher up the list.

Oh, and Rotwang -- when I wrote "Okay" in reference to The Matrix, I meant that it was "okay" that they put it at the top of the list, not that it was merely an "okay" movie.  It was a great movie, which, like Highlander before it, has two straggling little dingleberries on its shiny ass that need to be cut loose and forgotten.

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QuoteThe same kind of crack that's going to make me go psychotic and bust a cap in your bitch ass, yo! Seriously, though, DS9 was slow out of the gates, but finished well. I personally thought it told a better story than TNG, but I can understand why they didn't choose it for the list. Hey, I think we can at least agree that leaving Voyager and Enterprise off the list was a step in the right direction.

I tihnk we can come to some agreement then.  Voyager and Enterprise are just bad TV, in addition to being bad Star Trek.

DS9 is, in my view, the absolute best of Star Trek, and the best TV of the lot, really.  Great acting, great characters, great stories.  It had a very different structure and focus than the rest of the franchise, being as it was, so focused on the people over the monster/spatial anomaly of the week.

TNG had good points, to be sure, and definitely has more visibility with the general public.  But by and large as quality of TV, it's really only held up primarily by the strength of Patrick Stewart.  Brent Spiner's a fun actor, and Data had more personality than most of the human cast, but at the same time his writing was often outright atrocious and cheesy in the extreme.  

I like the show, but it should definitely be taking second place to DS9.

First, Starship Troopers 90210 is on the list.

Then...

Quote from: SosthenesNo Red Dwarf, either.

Nor B5
Nor Farscape.

This list is dead to me.

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Quote from: Caesar SlaadFirst, Starship Troopers 90210 is on the list.

I don't think it deserves to be on a 'Top 25' list, but I agree with their assesment of it as a sly piece of satirical anti-propaganda.

Then again I haven't read the book, and a lot of the arguments I've seen seem to be about the difficult relationship the film has with it.

No Farscape means this list isn't even worthy of consideration.

No 1 American/British SF Movie - Bladerunner

No 1 American/ British SF TV Show - Saphire & Steel

Couldn't be bothered to read the list, but I'm sure these two are the number ones.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: Caesar SlaadFirst, Starship Troopers 90210 is on the list.

Oh, oh!  That's right.  I totally meant to hash on Starship Supermodels.  Blech.

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Quote from: RedFoxNo Farscape means this list isn't even worthy of consideration.

Whoo, I'm not the only Claudia Black fanboy

Quote from: RedFoxNo Farscape means this list isn't even worthy of consideration.

Thats true

Quote from: JongWKThey missed Babylon 5. Babylon 5.

And what the fuck is V doing on the list? Or Starship Troopers?

Why the fuck didn't they mention the Sci-Fi Channel version of Dune? Or the best dinosaur killing comet movie of all, Deep Impact?

Gah, swine wrote this list...

Quote from: DrewThen again I haven't read the book, and a lot of the arguments I've seen seem to be about the difficult relationship the film has with it.

The film and the book share the same name and that's the only relationship between the two.

Quote from: jeff37923The film and the book share the same name and that's the only relationship between the two.

Oh it shares a relationship with the book, just not the relationship fans of the book expect.

It's a parody.  Verhoeven hated Heinlein's politics, and the movie is more of a piss take than an adaptation.

I think it's hilarious, and that people just don't "get" the film, because they're expecting it to be something it's not.

Well, if you call the movie "Robert Heinlein's Starship Troopers" but then deviate from the book so much that almost nothing remains, people have the right to be disappointed.

I wasn't actually expecting a true adaption after hearing who directed it. I _was_ surprised that there's no rape scene in it.