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Author Topic: New Assault Weapons Ban has TEETH!  (Read 2812 times)

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« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2007, 11:25:43 pm »
Ha! You people think fascism isn't coming to america? What makes you think it isn't already here in large part?

My god the things that big business and government have imposed om people already would have been considered fascism in the 50's. if you told people in the 50's that employers could force employees to be tested for tobacco, a legal product, and fired if they used it at home, they's have said that could never happen in america.

Mandatory seat belt laws? Mandatory smoke detector laws? No knock warrants? The ability to sneak into someone's home while they're not there and never let them know it was searched? The ability for the pres to order people held without trial, evidenmce or contact forever?

All would have been called fascism and impossible a few decades ago, now they're here.
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« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2007, 11:52:18 pm »
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Ha! You people think fascism isn't coming to america? What makes you think it isn't already here in large part?

My god the things that big business and government have imposed om people already would have been considered fascism in the 50's. if you told people in the 50's that employers could force employees to be tested for tobacco, a legal product, and fired if they used it at home, they's have said that could never happen in america.

Mandatory seat belt laws? Mandatory smoke detector laws? No knock warrants? The ability to sneak into someone's home while they're not there and never let them know it was searched? The ability for the pres to order people held without trial, evidenmce or contact forever?

All would have been called fascism and impossible a few decades ago, now they're here.



Yup, and not a shot fired. So it seems the Right to Bear Arms is useless for its intended purpose. Bread and circuses FTW.
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« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2007, 11:55:44 pm »
Oh yeah, don't forget that cure supreme court ruling which lets the state or city take your property and sell it to walmart, shutting you out of the profits generated from the sale.

If you'd told people the state could do that in the 70's, there would have been a wave of disbelief.
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« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2007, 12:47:59 am »
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Oh yeah, don't forget that cure supreme court ruling which lets the state or city take your property and sell it to walmart, shutting you out of the profits generated from the sale.


Well, let's be fair - I don't think Wal-Mart was specified in the Kelo decision.

Wait, who am I talking to... fair? Heh.
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« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2007, 01:59:57 am »
Henry Ford used to spy on his employees; entire divisions of FoMoCo specialized in it.  Evidence of alcohol use (among a list of violations) led to termination.

Habeas Corpus was suspended in the Civil War.  I've yet to see anything we have currently that rivals the Alien and Sedition Acts.

The Republic stands, and will long after George Bush and his boys are just faded pictures on the walls of history classrooms.

Try again.
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« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2007, 05:12:25 am »
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Henry Ford used to spy on his employees; entire divisions of FoMoCo specialized in it.  Evidence of alcohol use (among a list of violations) led to termination.

Habeas Corpus was suspended in the Civil War.  I've yet to see anything we have currently that rivals the Alien and Sedition Acts.

The Republic stands, and will long after George Bush and his boys are just faded pictures on the walls of history classrooms.

Try again.


Bush has basically declared himself above the law, openly stating he is not bound by deciscions congress makes. Even lincoln didn't go that far.

Try again.
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« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2007, 10:52:08 am »
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Bush has basically declared himself above the law, openly stating he is not bound by deciscions congress makes. Even lincoln didn't go that far.

Cite?

And this IS the same Lincoln that suspended Habeas Corpus, improsioned or exiled members of Congress, shut down newspapers, and had Federal troops fire on his own citizens - right? Tall guy, scraggly beard?

You sure you wouldn't be more at home on democraticunderground or the Daily Kos?
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« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2007, 11:14:09 am »
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All would have been called fascism and impossible a few decades ago, now they're here.


There was plenty of stuff that would curl your toes going on just a few decades ago.  For example, see this 1938 article about Jersey City Mayor Frank "I am the Law!" Hague.
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« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2007, 11:24:51 am »
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Habeas Corpus was suspended in the Civil War.  I've yet to see anything we have currently that rivals the Alien and Sedition Acts.

And what most people who complain about Lincoln (and Bush, for that matter) suspending Habeas Corpus is that the Constitution explicitly allows the suspension of Habeas Corpus "in cases of rebellion or invasion" when "the public safety may require it".  While it may be a stretch to call 9/11 an "invasion", it's no stretch to call the Civil War a "rebellion".  In fact, most people who wax poetic about rights seem to have never actually read the Constitution or they'd realize that many of it's provisions are qualified like that.  (ADDED:  And, for the record, the 1st and 2nd Amendment rights are not qualified, except that the 1st is specifically directed to apply to Congress).
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« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2007, 02:13:04 pm »
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Cite?
A quick Google brings up this headline at the very top:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/

It was the talk of the nation about a year ago.  Individual interpretations are, of course, welcome.  This is a free country after all. :)

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« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2007, 08:42:24 pm »
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A quick Google brings up this headline at the very top:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/

It was the talk of the nation about a year ago.  Individual interpretations are, of course, welcome.  This is a free country after all. :)

!i!


So this means he's not bound by ANY decisions by Congress? Bit of a stretch.

Again, this whole impending Bush Empire thing is the most fevered of dreams from the wacko Left. He'll be gone soon enough, then we can have 4 - 8 years of someone else blaming all their failures on Bush's incompetence. He's done a service to the NEXT president, at least.
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« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2007, 03:45:48 am »
Bush seems to think he can do anything he wants to in iraq now that the 'war' is won.

he forgets that after ww2, the president went to congress to get the marshall plan to rebuild germany and europe approved, he did not act unilaterally as bush seems to feel entitled too.

It's time the democrat controlled congress yanks bush's leash a little, and demands he start doing something constructive over there or get our people out.

Also, I want to pull the troops out of iraq because I still believe they're over there just to pump more taxpayer money into halliburton, and to train US troops to surpress US citizens when, hopefully, they start to become disatisfied with the current "Pick which meat puppet you want to rubberstamp the laws and policies big business wants imposed on you" political system/social order we have in america now.
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