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Werekoala

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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2007, 04:44:21 PM »
Lawyers have single-handedly laid the foundations of our destruction. I really, REALLY have heaping buckets of contempt for all of them, without exception, especially the ones who end up running our country.
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2007, 04:49:24 PM »
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5 million dollars for 220 degrees F coffe that permanently damaged a woman's genitalia seems pretty goddamn reasonable to me.

Yup, same here.  There's a problem with frivolous litigation in this country, but that case keeps getting bandied about and it is far from a poster child.

The problem was less about the label itself, and more about improperly seated lids and coffee that was served at such high temperature so as to cause third degree burns and permanent damage if exposed to human skin.  That the coffee containers had little warning about the nature of the java lava was just part of it.
 

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2007, 04:52:33 PM »
http://www.overlawyered.com/2005/10/urban_legends_and_stella_liebe.html

It wasn't $5 million, either the initial suit or the settlement.
It wasn't 220 degrees.
There was a warning on the cup.
The lid was wasn't to blame, it was secure. She opened it towards her (who the hell does that?!) and spilled the whole thing.
It burned her because she sat in it for 90 seconds instead of getting out of the car.
She was 79 years old and unlikely to use her genetalia again anyway (snark).
Coffee from many other places are served as hot or hotter than the average McDonald's coffee.


It was stupid, and excessive, and another brick in the wall that'll crash on all our asses one day. Do something stupid and get paid for it! What a concept! What's next, reality TV shows?

Oh... well...
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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2007, 05:05:41 PM »
Ah, well...  I certainly can't argue with facts taken from overlawyered.com about that case.
 

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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2007, 05:09:37 PM »
Now that I think about it, I think I've had Pants Guy in an arena game once. That sort of extreme lawyering seems incredibly familiar.

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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2007, 05:11:37 PM »
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Ah, well...  I certainly can't argue with facts taken from overlawyered.com about that case.


If they're wrong, how about showing us a set of accurate facts? Or is it just easier to hand-wave because it dosn't fit your preconceived notions? Also, some explaination as to why you feel they are inaccurate in their facts would help us understand the dismissiveness of your statement.

I can wait - this is the intarweb. We've got all day.
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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2007, 05:13:35 PM »
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If they're wrong, how about showing us another set of accurate facts? Or is it just easier to hand-wave because it dosn't fit your preconceived notions?

I can wait - this is the intarweb. We've got all day.


It's more entertaining just staring at your dick slapped out on the table there than to pull mine out, too.
 

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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2007, 05:14:53 PM »
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It's more entertaining just staring at your dick slapped out on the table there than to pull mine out, too.


Mmm... kay. Glad to see you've got a solid basis for dismissing the facts of the case, then.
Lan Astaslem


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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2007, 05:15:34 PM »
Yeah, clearly no bias...
 

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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2007, 05:17:04 PM »
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Yeah, clearly no bias...


If the information presented is, in fact, accurate, then what's the bias? If the information is not factual, prove it. Simple. I fail to see what difference the source of factual information has to do with the merits of the case.
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2007, 05:18:19 PM »
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Mmm... kay. Glad to see you've got a solid basis for dismissing the facts of the case, then.


If it makes you happy.
 

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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2007, 05:24:00 PM »
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If the information presented is, in fact, accurate, then what's the bias? If the information is not factual, prove it. Simple. I fail to see what difference the source of factual information has to do with the merits of the case.


As if the web site proved it. I can quickly come up with another web site "debunking" that. Prove they're wrong...

This is rather complicated and I neither got the training nor the time to sift through case files or law journal articles. McDonalds using a unreasonable high temperature so that they can save money doesn't sound to unbeliavable. Snarky remarks about Mrs Liebecks privates certainly don't get us far in this discussion...
 

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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2007, 05:26:15 PM »
How does serving extra-hot coffee save money? Seems if it got cold faster, people might need more refills, so it'd make more sense to serve it colder, eh?

As to the snarky comment, it was identified by ME as being snarky, so it could safely be ignored. Ignoring the facts of the case because they don't fit your preconceived notions, however, can't. There IS no "debunking" of a court case. Facts are facts, and they're the same no matter what side you're on - or that's how its supposed to work, at least. The coffee either WAS or WAS NOT 220 degrees. The settlement either WAS or WAS NOT $5 million dollars. There either WAS or WAS NOT a warning on the lid. These are verifable facts. If they're in dispute, then the people disputing them are tasked with providing the actual facts.

So again, if the information presented from the website is inaccurate, then present the actual facts of the case that "debunk" the information presented.
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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2007, 05:35:21 PM »
You're getting awfully worked up over this.  It's safe to say that few posters here are interested in digging up information to refute some "facts" reported by your laughably biased website.  It's not even worth refuting, and nobody seems to have as much investment in this as you do. Why're you grinding such a big axe here?

Can you show us on the doll where the bad lawyers touched you?
 

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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2007, 05:38:53 PM »
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You're getting awfully worked up over this.  It's safe to say that few posters here are interested in digging up information to refute some "facts" reported by your laughably biased website.  It's not even worth refuting, and nobody seems to have as much investment in this as you do. Why're you grinding such a big axe here?

Can you show us on the doll where the bad lawyers touched you?


My axe is people making unsupported assertions and then dragging out a big bag of ennui when they can't be bothered to support their claims.

You again say its a biased website. Why?
Lan Astaslem


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