Quote from: Nexus;939018I think some of the contention in these threads might be coming from that you seem to be asking for advice on how to get a broader appeal then rejecting or arguing with the advice given based on personal preferences. And that's being taken as arrogance or possibly trying to troll and pick fights.

This.

Quote from: Nexus;939018There appears to have be misunderstanding regarding the purpose of your threads and its ballooned in a general hostility.

That's one possibility.

Another is that there is understanding and that's generated general hostility.

Quote from: CRKrueger;939062Oh please, let's not pretend Grove isn't attacking back...


So in other words...Grove understands the shallow "convention stuff" games Tenbones refers to(which are really more like military miniatures, doncha know ), he just likes something with more depth.

Except that's not what Tenbones was saying, was it?  Did he say that's the only type of GMing he did?  No, in fact he said the exact opposite, that he purposely expanded his GMing into conventions to try and gain other experiences.

So deliberately misinterpret what was being said (because you don't want to engage that point), and give it a nice passive-aggressive twist into an attack.  "Oh I just needed to see where he was coming from...now it all makes sense..."  fuck's sake.

Granted, Grove has every right to be on the attack, but that's no excuse for being a little bitch about it while simultaneously claiming that you're taking the High Road.

Yes, I know, Grove will marvel at how off the interpretation is, and we'll probably get a "laugh" to boot.

You're not fooling anyone, not even Nexus, he's just playing pretend because he likes narrative stuff too.

Your analogy of how I percieved tenbones is completely off base. Your just trying to foment more unrest. Give it a break.

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Quote from: CRKrueger;939062Yes, I know, Grove will marvel at how off the interpretation is . . .

Your analogy of how I percieved tenbones is completely off base.

I think it's time for OG's archers-and-coal-oil.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;939173I think it's time for OG's archers-and-coal-oil.

Predicting my response doesn't make it any less appropriate. It only proves you were posting to antagonize all along. Now who's the Troll?

Quote from: rgrove0172;938997This - Yang is great, tactless yang with a combative bent less so.

I find that post highly amusing, because Yang is, by its/his own nature, tactless and with a combative bent.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;939131Nobody gives a fuck with Grove does at his table; the reason he's getting so much shit is his unceasing tone of "I am a NARTIST!, not like you crude plebians", and, as you say, claims of taking the High Road.

At least in my case,that's completely true,and if it wasn't for the underhanded comments, I'd rather be sharing wit Grove tips on the parts of Refereeing that we agree on.

Quote from: rgrove0172;939174Predicting my response doesn't make it any less appropriate. It only proves you were posting to antagonize all along. Now who's the Troll?

No, it proves that your response is easily predictable even when other people don't appreciate it and it's not working in your favour.

Quote from: Sommerjon;939085Nah, this puts you into that subset of pretentious gamers out there with their over inflated sense of self importance.  
You know the type,  they have an opinion on nearly every topic and have no issues climbing onto that soapbox to let everyone know just how important their opinions are.

So...everyone who has ever posted on an rpg forum ever?

Quote from: Sommerjon;939119There are two distinct definitions of 'roleplay' used here that have very different meanings, yet noone ever acknowledges which one they are referring to.

Version One Roleplay: playing the role of (i.e. Cris is playing the role of the Magic User)

Version Two Roleplay: playing the distinct character (i.e. Brother Bunion Bethel, Bürgermeister of Battenberg)

Can you name on poster here who adheres to your first stated notion? Because that seems very potentially strawmanesque, ar least on this forum. Maybe you're thinking of another forum that was very big on 4e or something?

Quote from: Tristram Evans;939200So...everyone who has ever posted on an rpg forum ever?

Quote from: AsenRG;939193At least in my case,that's completely true,and if it wasn't for the underhanded comments, I'd rather be sharing wit Grove tips on the parts of Refereeing that we agree on.

This is what annoys me so much. It totally undermines viable points in his threads.

Quote from: Omega;939214This is what annoys me so much. It totally undermines viable points in his threads.

I give up guys. Seriously this is rediculous. No matter what I say it only serves to invite further rebuke. UNCLE! You win!

Suffice it to say that whatever slights I have been guilty of were certainly not intentional.  I just want to discuss gaming, not ME for Christ's sake.

Quote from: rgrove0172;939215I give up guys. Seriously this is rediculous. No matter what I say it only serves to invite further rebuke. UNCLE! You win!

Suffice it to say that whatever slights I have been guilty of were certainly not intentional.  I just want to discuss gaming, not ME for Christ's sake.

As I noted in other threads. Im pretty sure some of it is unintentional. Some of it on the other hand is obviously not. And it doesnt matter if it is conscious or unconscious.

And its not just you. We dont cut Chris any slack when he yet again sticks his foot in his mouth about AD&D. Or Arsen or anyone else, not even Gronan or Pundit when they say something blatantly stupid or are being offensive just to be offensive.

Back on topic.

Sounds like your players really enjoy oration. Do they attend (or participate in) stage plays or other like performances as well?

Quote from: rgrove0172;939215I give up guys. Seriously this is rediculous. No matter what I say it only serves to invite further rebuke. UNCLE! You win!

Suffice it to say that whatever slights I have been guilty of were certainly not intentional.  I just want to discuss gaming, not ME for Christ's sake.

If it's unintentional, but the underhanded comments persist, what conclusion do you want us to draw, other than that you believe yourself superior and it shows at times?
If you don't want that, monitoring yourself would be a great idea.

Quote from: Omega;939223As I noted in other threads. Im pretty sure some of it is unintentional. Some of it on the other hand is obviously not. And it doesnt matter if it is conscious or unconscious.

And its not just you. We dont cut Chris any slack when he yet again sticks his foot in his mouth about AD&D. Or Arsen or anyone else, not even Gronan or Pundit when they say something blatantly stupid or are being offensive just to be offensive.

I can confirm, but it's time for you to learn that AsenRG isn't the same as Arsen Lupin despite the similarities in the style;)!

This thread had gone completely off the rails and appears to be, gratefully, in its death throws. While it may still garner a bit of interest to a few that have posted here I wanted to try and render a brief but sincere explanation.

Ive spent the last couple of days reading not only my threads here but a few previous from the purple site. I can readily see how some of my posts came off arrogant or at least presumptuous. I will blame this on a choice of words rather than my intent. Often when referring to some element of gaming counter to my own preferences my tone has come off degrading or dismissive. This was unintentional I assure you and flies in the face of my assertions that my threads were aimed at learning about alternative gaming practices, not berating them. HOWEVER.. I will stand by my assessment that I have responded negatively or 'snarky' only when confronted by those who have expressed the very same attitude of dismissal, superiority and close mindedness that I have been accused of. One cannot help but notice a bias in many of the posts and some are worded in a most unfriendly and confrontational form. Perhaps as a veteran of these forums I would have handled these better but as a novice, I didn't. I fell prey to emotion and responded in turn, serving to only escalate the hostility. I have been advised by several well meaning members privately how best to address the more predatory posts and their seemingly hostile authors and hope to do better in the future.

I have also been advised to insert "IMHO" behind every matter of fact, by GOD, opinionated declaration of certainty posted by the members here in order not to become outraged by their audacity. Rereading the posts and practicing this suggestion really did make a difference and I intend to make it common practice in the future as well as include it in every post I make.

In summary I will admit my part in turning what should have been several constructive and interesting threads on Gamemastering into meaningless dick-measuring and name calling. I wasn't alone in my culpability certainly but I will be first to accept my share. Its embarrassing to have a thread dissolve into a rant about my perceived personality and assumed gaming practices - who the hell cares anyway?

I hope to continue to enjoy the benefits the open-minded nature of this forum extends and will try, TRY, not to be the cause of any future mud-slinging. I hope those that had an equal part in the unpleasantness will do the same. I have admitted readily that although I have gamed for a very long time, my experience has been somewhat sheltered by a narrow window of opportunities and limited player diversity. Its this very reason I joined the forum. It is understandable that I am protective of what I have accomplished in such an environment over the years but in no way would I ever reject or belittle the wide array of options out there I haven't embraced or perhaps am even knowledgeable of. I only ask that when highlighting my perceived limitations one does so with a little tact.

Thanks and good gaming!

Quote from: rgrove0172;939281This thread had gone completely off the rails and appears to be, gratefully, in its death throws.

"throes."

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;939296"throes."

Seriously? Give the guy a break, gramps.