Quote from: Sommerjon;598953And like I said his playstyle is different so it has to be wrong?  We have no earthly idea how he roleplayed and since this thread never got to that stage we will never know.  But to shit on someone who cannot respond is so the adult thing to do right?  Isn't that one of the typical defense shields that people here use,  "I play with adults I don't know about you"


No that wasn't his stance.


So you can continue taking pot shots at someone no longer here to make yourselves feel better?  So typically gamer of you.

I dont take issue with the guy's playstyle. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the challenge of the game and focusing on making optimized characters. Sme people prefer that stuff.

I think where I strongly disagreed with McGuy was his hostility to people who dont optimize, and his characterization of them as gimps and basketweavers. He also went on a weird tangent where he said if you are not optimizing you are not role playing or paying D&D.

Quote from: Sommerjon;598682He talked about roleplaying.  We have no idea if his vision of roleplaying is equal to yours, so why condemn the man for something you have no earthly idea is close or far apart?

Apparently you didn't read the threads I did. I have no idea why you'd assume that I don't know something simply because you don't. Look at the sample adventure he posted online in one of the previous "basketweaver threads".

Quote from: Sommerjon;598953And like I said his playstyle is different so it has to be wrong?  We have no earthly idea how he roleplayed and since this thread never got to that stage we will never know.  But to shit on someone who cannot respond is so the adult thing to do right?  Isn't that one of the typical defense shields that people here use,  "I play with adults I don't know about you"

I'm not doing that.  I'm talking to you, and disagreeing with you

QuoteNo that wasn't his stance.

Uh, yeah it was.  One he said over and over.  Seriously dude, almost all of his posts were reinforcing that mindset.  Where have you been?

QuoteSo you can continue taking pot shots at someone no longer here to make yourselves feel better?  So typically gamer of you.

Only I'm not doing that.  What I'm doing is telling you to stop revising his post history into something it clearly wasn't for no other reason that I can tell other than to argue with someone.  He made his bed.  What you hope to accomplish by pretending he didn't say what he said is beyond me.

Quote from: StormBringer;598760After that is done, I would gladly do the same thing with 1st Edition AD&D rules for the comparison.

I don't know that its really going to be that controversial for 1E; it may be a bit harder without a cleric, but as long as there's a few hirelings and you can burn troops to solve the problem the party is probably ok? The difference being that player skill in-game is going to be more important than the character building game..
 
I'm getting a little overcommitted on things to do, but maybe. Of course if you just want to run an online AD&D game you can always do that and I'm sure some of the old-schoolers around might be persuaded to grab their 10-foot poles

Quote from: Bloody Stupid Johnson;599016I don't know that its really going to be that controversial for 1E; it may be a bit harder without a cleric, but as long as there's a few hirelings and you can burn troops to solve the problem the party is probably ok? The difference being that player skill in-game is going to be more important than the character building game..
 
I'm getting a little overcommitted on things to do, but maybe. Of course if you just want to run an online AD&D game you can always do that and I'm sure some of the old-schoolers around might be persuaded to grab their 10-foot poles

Well, I do have a Castle Amber game that could use some finishing up...  

Quote from: Sommerjon;598682He talked about roleplaying.  We have no idea if his vision of roleplaying is equal to yours, so why condemn the man for something you have no earthly idea is close or far apart?

No, he didn't talk about roleplaying. He only talked about the part of the game that had less to do with roleplaying. Character development or personality, setting detail, all that stuff was anathema to him. This was not a discussion about if it's OK to roleplay using the 1st or the 3rd person, it was the guy saying that all that mattered was the precise combo of skills/feats/ etc because everything else was magical tea party and basketweaving.

No conflict, no drama, no intrigue, nothing. Only standard adventuring days and CR appropriate encounters. Dude, I know you like to play contrarian but to pretend that the guy has ever roleplayed a character is fucking ridiculous.

Aaaaaaaaand just as I finish my characters, the DM gets banned.



Well, here they are, if Sir Wulf still wants to run something.
Akali, the daring scout, whose audacity in and out of combat knows no bounds
Poppy, the powerful fighter, whose spears guard her comrades and skewer her enemies.
Soraka, the stubborn healer, who refuses to let her allies stay down.
Victor, the devious warlock, whose trickery confounds even the cleverest foes.

Quote from: The Noobiest Noobie;599123Aaaaaaaaand just as I finish my characters, the DM gets banned.

Noobiest, I know it won't be the same as discovering what Mr. GC had in mind, but would you like to try your wits against something of my devising?  I hate to see your efforts wasted.  

I'd be "firm, but fair", challenging the characters as best I can.

Quote from: Imperator;599110No, he didn't talk about roleplaying. He only talked about the part of the game that had less to do with roleplaying. Character development or personality, setting detail, all that stuff was anathema to him. This was not a discussion about if it's OK to roleplay using the 1st or the 3rd person, it was the guy saying that all that mattered was the precise combo of skills/feats/ etc because everything else was magical tea party and basketweaving.

No conflict, no drama, no intrigue, nothing. Only standard adventuring days and CR appropriate encounters. Dude, I know you like to play contrarian but to pretend that the guy has ever roleplayed a character is fucking ridiculous.

He didn't believe roleplaying saved classes from(his ideas of) gimphood.   He never said he didn't roleplay.  Now was his concepts of roleplay different than from others here, most assuredly.  That doesn't say much.   His fault was having ideas too vastly different from others here.

No I'm not trying to rewrite his posts, what I am saying is;
The guy is no longer here so people are shitting all over him.   Grow some fucking balls and let the matter drop.  That wont happen here cause he hurt  'feelings'.

Quote from: Sir Wulf;599128Noobiest, I know it won't be the same as discovering what Mr. GC had in mind, but would you like to try your wits against something of my devising?  I hate to see your efforts wasted.  

I'd be "firm, but fair", challenging the characters as best I can.

Mr GC is actually running his scenario elsewhere, and I am going to do that one. But if you want to DM, I'll definitely run yours too. I do have a hypothesis to examine, so multiple tests are great. Plus I love me some D&D.

Quote from: Sommerjon;599136He didn't believe roleplaying saved classes from(his ideas of) gimphood.   He never said he didn't roleplay.  Now was his concepts of roleplay different than from others here, most assuredly.  That doesn't say much.   His fault was having ideas too vastly different from others here.

No I'm not trying to rewrite his posts, what I am saying is;
The guy is no longer here so people are shitting all over him.   Grow some fucking balls and let the matter drop.  That wont happen here cause he hurt  'feelings'.

I don't disagree with people just dropping it, but what you're doing is the same as arguing that B.T. wasn't racist.  Like I said, GC made his bed, and if people make reference to that, then oh well.  Stop trying to change what he actually said into something far less stupid than it was.

Quote from: Sommerjon;599136He never said he didn't roleplay.  

No, but he demonstrated it.

QuoteHis fault was having ideas too vastly different from others here.

His fault was that he lied consistently, was blatantly ignorant, and tried to pick fights with imaginary conspiracy groups.

QuoteNo I'm not trying to rewrite his posts, what I am saying is;
The guy is no longer here so people are shitting all over him.

that's very obviously NOT the reason people are shitting on him, as blatantly evidenced by the fact that we all shat on him plenty while he was here.

Damn it. I missed the show! Real life cockblocks me yet again, making it impossible to participate on this forum lately, and so I missed the chance to accept this ridiculous challenge. I only noticed this thread two days ago, and it took me hours and hours to read through all 30 pages...

The problem here is that the very premise of this thread is horribly flawed and subjective. The victory conditions are so incredibly narrow, and Mr. GC basically admitted that he might say "you lose", even if you win. In that case, what is the point?

It also didn't help that this thread was pure troll bait from its inception. I still would have liked to take that challenge though, if only to prove that the OP does not understand the game as well as he thinks he does. But what's done is done...

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;599209Damn it. I missed the show! Real life cockblocks me yet again, making it impossible to participate on this forum lately, and so I missed the chance to accept this ridiculous challenge. I only noticed this thread two days ago, and it took me hours and hours to read through all 30 pages...

The problem here is that the very premise of this thread is horribly flawed and subjective. The victory conditions are so incredibly narrow, and Mr. GC basically admitted that he might say "you lose", even if you win. In that case, what is the point?

It also didn't help that this thread was pure troll bait from its inception. I still would have liked to take that challenge though, if only to prove that the OP does not understand the game as well as he thinks he does. But what's done is done...

You can always prove your mettle by helping start the Castle Amber thread up again...  

Quote from: StormBringer;599217You can always prove your mettle by helping start the Castle Amber thread up again...  

Which thread is that? :confused: