Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057790Doesn't matter that they don't own it. They are its biggest exhibitor.

WOTC is the "biggest" presence in just about every third party RPG-related function.  

You would like WOTC blacklists to be de facto global RPG-related event blacklists?  Wherever WOTC goes, those they don't approve of should be banned?

Quote from: EOTB;1057805WOTC is the "biggest" presence in just about every third party RPG-related function.  

You would like WOTC blacklists to be de facto global RPG-related event blacklists?  Wherever WOTC goes, those they don't approve of should be banned?

  They are the Premier of the Hobby. Paizo seems to be the Party Secretary.

I have never once said the attack was justified.

It's my belief that the attacker belongs behind bars for the attack.

However. The situation is and was made more complex by Hambly's being banned from their events by WOTC. GenCon should have been made aware of that by WOTC. And GenCon should have acted far before the violence had a chance to happen.

The fact that they allowed the attacker to still attend GenCon after his history of violence there was grossly negligent on their part.

And I flat out refuse to discuss whether Hambly's ban from WOTC events was justified or not. The fact the ban exists at all is enough for me.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057809I have never once said the attack was justified.

It's my belief that the attacker belongs behind bars for the attack.

However. The situation is and was made more complex by Hambly's being banned from their events by WOTC. GenCon should have been made aware of that by WOTC. And GenCon should have acted far before the violence had a chance to happen.

The fact that they allowed the attacker to still attend GenCon after his history of violence there was grossly negligent on their part.

And I flat out refuse to discuss whether Hambly's ban from WOTC events was justified or not. The fact the ban exists at all is enough for me.

"I am not blaming the victim I am just saying if they weren't there it couldn't have happened!"

Quote from: EOTB;1057805WOTC is the "biggest" presence in just about every third party RPG-related function.  

You would like WOTC blacklists to be de facto global RPG-related event blacklists?  Wherever WOTC goes, those they don't approve of should be banned?

If this policy were ever to go into effect then ten seconds later every independent RPG company who isn't pushing WotC tie-in products goes onto WotC's banned list.

You've got an up-and-coming game product that might pull away customers from WotC? You are banned from WotC events for [insert made up reason here... ex. you mentioned peanut butter in a YouTube video and that's hate speech... somehow."] and banned from all conventions in which they have a presence.

I know once my game is done I'm going to need to get booths at these big cons to promote it, but I am NOT look forward to it at all because I am positive I will eventually catch flak for not once mentioning how special it is to play a non-binary, transsexual or homosexual character in my book (nor do I discuss any other type of sexuality beyond the raw biology of which species are close enough to each other to produce viable offspring)... and probably for discriminating against necrophilia by making the undead  irredeemably evil.

The saddest part is I can't even tell if the above will still be jest or considered deadly earnest by this time next year.

Quote from: Chris24601;1057811If this policy were ever to go into effect then ten seconds later every independent RPG company who isn't pushing WotC tie-in products goes onto WotC's banned list.

You've got an up-and-coming game product that might pull away customers from WotC? You are banned from WotC events for [insert made up reason here... ex. you mentioned peanut butter in a YouTube video and that's hate speech... somehow."] and banned from all conventions in which they have a presence.

I know once my game is done I'm going to need to get booths at these big cons to promote it, but I am NOT look forward to it at all because I am positive I will eventually catch flak for not once mentioning how special it is to play a non-binary, transsexual or homosexual character in my book (nor do I discuss any other type of sexuality beyond the raw biology of which species are close enough to each other to produce viable offspring)... and probably for discriminating against necrophilia by making the undead  irredeemably evil.

The saddest part is I can't even tell if the above will still be jest or considered deadly earnest by this time next year.

That is absolute hogwash. Where the hell are you getting your information from?

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057809And I flat out refuse to discuss whether Hambly's ban from WOTC events was justified or not. The fact the ban exists at all is enough for me.

Even if you are using that ban as the basis for your argument that Hambly should have been pre-emptively banned from GenCon?

"She was wearing a sexy dress, so obviously she was going to be raped!"

Quote from: Chris24601;1057811insert made up reason here... ex. you mentioned peanut butter in a YouTube video and that's hate speech... somehow.

Peanuts were part of the plantation economy.  The plantation economy is part of colonialism.  Peanut butter is racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!

I SJW GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057783It has been their central showcase for decades. That's why.

Dude, WTF, why are you still pretending to not know that WOTC withdrew from GenCon years ago?

THEY LITERALLY NO LONGER EVEN HAVE A BOOTH AT GENCON. THEY DO NOT RUN EVENTS ANYMORE AT GENCON. THEY DON'T HAVE A SEMINAR ANYMORE AT GENCON. WOTC HAS NO MORE OFFICIAL PRESENCE AT GENCON. THEY DROPPED GENCON AND SHIFTED TO A DIFFERENT SET OF CONVENTIONS, AND THIS HAPPENED YEARS AGO.

The only remaining WOTC stuff at Gencon takes the form of either: 1) individuals from WOTC who go there, but not in an official capacity and with no events booths or other scheduled items with GenCon, or 2) Baldwin games has run D&D games at GenCon with some stuff they got from WOTC. That's it as far as I know, all that's left.

Here are the Conventions that WOTC goes to now: Winter Fantasy (February, Fort Wayne, IN), Gary Con (March, Lake Geneva, WI), PAX East (April, Boston MA), Origins (June, Columbus OH), and PAX Prime (August, Seattle WA).

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057790Doesn't matter that they don't own it. They are its biggest exhibitor.

Jesus fuck Darrin. WOTC DOES NOT EXHIBIT AT ALL AT GENCON ANYMORE AND HAS NOT FOR YEARS.

Damn, you are thick.

GenCon's "blame the victim" stance isn't surprising.

Hambly should troll GenCon. A huge amount of GenCon happens off site these days as gamers host their own events at local hotels. Just because Hambly was banned from GenCon means nothing about his annual visit to Indiana where he can shitpost on social media. Of course, he could buy a badge for "Joe Smith" and wander the con himself.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057789jeff, that is bullshit. And you know it.

Hambly had been banned from all WOTC events. He was a known provocateur. He definitely was not an innocent party.

No, actually, that's exactly the same thing.  This is blaming the victim, nothing more.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1057802I'm not your encyclopedia. And I am not your servant.

If you want information on the whole situation, it's been detailed endlessly through this very thread.

So you have nothing and don't care enough to even make sure your statements are true?

I am sure this is exactly precisely what Gary had in mind when he held GenCon 1 in his basement in the early 1970s.

So was the guy ever charged?

I wasn't there, I don't know the people involved, and I don't want to invest 2 hours into tracking all of that down; but the thread title alone is great click bait.  If the victim was a decent person, then I'm on their side.  Or, if they didn't initiate the stressful interaction; I'm on their side.

Throwing punches at me because you disagree with me about gaming would be silly, and I wouldn't just stand there and take it.  It would become wide open craziness pretty quickly.  Keep your hands to yourself.  That's just inviting a whoopin', right there.