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Where's the line?

Started by JongWK, October 17, 2008, 06:43:53 PM

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walkerp

So arguing for rehabilitation of criminals and freedom to behave as you please in your own home are considered retarded or vile views?

I guess the subject of child abuse energized the intolerant crew of therpgsite. Same thing happened with furries a month ago.  You guys will probably disappear in a week or two and we can all sort of breath again.
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RPGPundit

We're done with this subject, as I consider that it is disrupting the functioning of theRPGsite. Fritzs in particular has been warned not to continue his obsession with this subject.  I did a topic ban for Mythusmage, I see no reason why it shouldn't also apply to Fritzs.  Its no better in this case that I don't really think Fritzs is actually a pedophile, it only makes it more of a disruption of the site, because he's not posting this stuff because he can't help it (the way Mythusmage apparently couldn't help himself), he's posting this stuff because he WANTS to disrupt this site.

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EDIT TO ADD: After seeing Walker's thread on Off-topic, this topic ban now extends to Walker too. I don't care whether its because they can't help themselves, because they're revealing their true desires; or because they simply want to harm this site and think this is their latest and best way of doing it. Either way, there's no reason this subject should be discussed in this way on this site.  Its disruption, pure and simple.
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walkerp

I feel like I responsibly took the issue off the main page and brought it down to Politics where other disruptive topics are discussd.  In no way am I motivated by trying to disrupt the site and I have been actively starting rpg topics (and getting barely any responses) and contributing to rpg threads.  I don't really care about defending myself, because I think my motives are clear in my actual posts and posting behaviour.  But I stick this here for the record.

Because this sounds a lot like the admin of the site doesn't agree with certain users' positions and will thus use his admin powers to restrict their ability to participate.  Something that has already happened to me over at rpg.net (which is what brought me to this place initially).

"Topic ban"?!  I mean come on, what the fuck.  I thought we were above that.
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David R

walkerp you were being intentionally disruptive. There was no need for this particular topic to be dragged across the various sections of this board. I for one support the Pundit's mod ruling.

Regards,
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Fritzs

I know this will get me banhammered, so farewell to those few people around there, who don't hate me.

So, Pudny just send me this via PM:

Quote from: RPGPundit
Quote from: My awesome selfI am not defending child molesters, I am defending pedophiles, who haven't molested any child. I't you know paraphilia, which means deviation from common sexuality,

Yes, and now its time you stopped. Mythusmage was topic banned because he couldn't shut up about this very topic.
The topic has been established as disruptive to the forum.

Whether you're saying this because you are sincerely pro-pedophilia or because you're just trying to disrupt this forum in a particularly grotesque way, you're done now.

Consider this a topic ban. ONE more fucking post where you even so much as mention pedophilia, and you get banned. Please, please, motherfucker, give me an excuse.

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You know, if you type: "therpgsite" into google you get this result:

Quote from: googletheRPGSite - [ Přeložit tuto stránku ]A forum for discussing roleplaying games. Speak your mind here without fear!
//www.therpgsite.com/ - 47k - Archiv - Podobné stránky

This line is pretty important I think and quite possibly the reason I spend so much time there. But obviously, it's not true, so it would be really nice, if you admins changed it afterwards I get banned into something more apropriate, like: "Forum for the prude and righteous" or "We suffer no witch to live"

The fact, that Pundy is worried about me distrubing his creation is actually quite bad excuse for baning me and it was bad excuse for baning that Mythusmage guy, because everyone could just add me into their ignore lists. But I am not angry at him, this is his forum and like I've said many times, do as you wish at your home.

Anyway I spend probably too much time there and as I got banned I could spend more time playing RPGs.

If you want to contact me for whatever reason, you can send me mail at: fritzs@seznam.cz

So, motherfucker, here you go:

Pedophilia FTW!

Bye!
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CavScout

You missed the context:
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David R

Fritz you should just accept the topic ban and move on. You got yourself into a fucked spot and a topic ban is the best possible way out. For what it's worth, unlike some, I do think you make interesting comments but the whole Carcosa fiasco, did you no good.

Regards,
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walkerp

Quote from: CavScout;258266You missed the context:
A forum for discussing roleplaying games. Speak your mind here without fear!

I don't feel like I can speak my mind here without fear.  I thought I made some valid and interesting questions in the thread in politics.  My goal was not to be disruptive but to question the assumptions that some people were making.  It's clear that RPGPundit doesn't like my presence here because of positions I take on games and other things and is looking for an excuse to be rid of me.
Quote from: RPGPundit
Quote from: walkerp
Quote from: RPGPunditThis thread is closed. You, Walker, have earned yourself a topic ban identical to Fritzs. You're only talking about this to try to intentionally disrupt this site. Talk about pedophilia again, and you're gone.

Here's our PM exchange so you can see that.  At the very least, he is being honest with me.

RPGPundit

Did you see the thread I already started in politics?

I agree that the topic may be considered disruptive, but then it should be kept isolated down in politics.  Topic ban is stolen right from the rpg.net pagebook.  I guess that even the most idealistic of us start to default to mod-control tendencies when the topic is one that one feels strongly about.  Too bad.  I was enjoying the site and generally appreciative of your moderation policies, even if I think you are and insane megalomaniac when it comes to your actual beliefs.

So I'm going to keep on talking about pedophilia down in Politics (though not for long, because I don't have that much of an attention span for these kinds of things).  Ban me if you will.  I think you are making a mistake.

You brought this on your fucking self. You don't give a flying fuck about pedophiles or their rights. You start the thread in the off-topic section, make it as inflammatory as possible, and then go into the Help forum thread Jong started and talk about how "intolerant" we are.

That's site disruption, fuckhead. And like I said, just give me a fucking excuse. Just one. I would love to have an utterly legitimate reason for getting rid of you.  It will please me far more than with Mythusmage or Nox, both of whom I feel a little sorry for.  I think both of them have serious problems, and can't help what they do.
Whereas you, you're just an asshole.  Give me a reason; you will not be missed.

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I'd like to say that I had some great conversations here and really enjoyed the overall level of discourse, both when it was intelligent and reasoned and when it was humourous and even when it was ugly and excessive.  I'm kind of bummed because therpgsite does have value to me, but I really can't participate in a place where I feel my voice is going to be checked.  I weathered the gang-up tactics of the intolerant minority, but mod manipulation is just going too far for me.

Happy gaming everyone!  May your dice roll well.

later,
WalkerP
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out, fuckhead.

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Idinsinuation

Quote from: walkerp;258280but I really can't participate in a place where I feel my voice is going to be checked.
Seriously?

This subject is that important?

Really?
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CavScout

Quote from: walkerp;258280I don't feel like I can speak my mind here without fear.  I thought I made some valid and interesting questions in the thread in politics.  My goal was not to be disruptive but to question the assumptions that some people were making.  It's clear that RPGPundit doesn't like my presence here because of positions I take on games and other things and is looking for an excuse to be rid of me.

   "A forum for discussing roleplaying games. Speak your mind here without fear!"

You can speak your mind about RPGs without fear. Doesn't say, nor does it imply, that you can speak your mind about how much you like pedophiles and the like.

If he wanted to get rid of you for your positions on RPGs he would "topic ban" you on the topics of RPGs. That you think you need to be able to promote pedophilia to talk about RPGs is not only strange, it is sad.

Not sure why you think you will become, or why you want to try, a martyr.
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Quote from: Idinsinuation;258294Seriously?

This subject is that important?

Really?
Some people's priorities are really out of whack.

After most of Evil Avatar's regular userbase made their exodus to Colony of Gamers, a small group of rather embittered and vocal individuals went off to another site entirely instead solely because there wasn't a dedicated politics forum yet.

This on a site about video games.  I just don't get that mind set at all.
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Hope you're satisfied, Jong. You got walker banned instead of Fritz.

For the record, I've never seen so much geek hysteria in one small place, and I think walker's banning was entirely unmerited. Good on you, grannies.
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#28
walkerp and Fritzs are undoubtedly cocksmocks, but should not have been banned [Edit: is that Czech idiot banned? I could have sworn I saw it under his nametag, but now...?] Give the topic ban a day or two to settle in before stomping on them when they break it.

This is a bit like when at the gaming table players are angrily arguing about something, and the GM says, "alright you two, stop right now!" Of course they usually won't, there'll be a minute or two while they settle down and the last bursts of babble dribble out.

So, give walkerp and Fritzs a day or two for the topic ban to settle in, and only if they continue to break it should they be banned.

At the moment it's all heated and confrontational, plus there's a bit of the old anti-Pundit macho pride stupidity, they seem to want to boast about being banned from therpgsite. But that'd be forgotten in a couple of days, and maybe they'd go back to talking about rpgs. Now me, I wouldn't miss their contributions - but others would, and a discussion forum is worth nothing more nor less than the contributions of its members.

Leave the topic ban, remove the bans.
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#29
I'd say keep the ban in place.

FritzS was smart enough to shut the fuck up about the subject he was asked to shut the fuck up about, no ban that I can see beyond a topic ban.

Walkerp decided that a request to shut the fuck up about a subject was an invitation to become a martyr, and he has been banned as far as I can tell. This is not new for him since he has done this same behavior pattern twice on tBP (and then came here to bitch about the trouble he'd gotten himself into). The only one responsible for the results of his stupidity is himself. Tough shit, let him live with it.
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