Quote from: ArrozConLeche;813932If you want people to post exclusively about games, it would make more sense if there wasn't  an off-topic forum where members can open threads. Problem solved.
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There isn't an off topic forum and never has been.

Quote from: CRKrueger;813969I find it funny that someone who just said "suck my Dick, punk" to a mod with no mention of it  is screaming censorship.  To redline the Irony meter he used cognitive dissonance in the same post. :rolleyes:

In most forums that aren't fucked up, mods don't ban people for responding to insults in kind. That's quite a low bar you've got there.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;813970There isn't an off topic forum and never has been.

So the Pundit's forum is not an off topic type of forum. Yeah, sure.

And this is not a pipe.

The pundit sub forum is very specifically only for stuff that interests Pundit.

Quote from: Will;813926You don't see why 'I think Pundit would find this topic interesting' might be a valid reason to post something?

Because if it ACTUALLY means 'discussing the Pundit or things he decides to post about,' then that's what the title should be.

Edit: But rereading 'what this forum is about,' I guess I'm just wrong. My bad.

It was a valid thing to post, you did nothing wrong.  It is also the case that topics can be closed if they end up not being of sufficient interest to me.

In any case, if you wanted to re-open a thread (even on the main forum) that was about how to incorporate gaming into education, that would be totally cool.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;813932If you want people to post exclusively about games, it would make more sense if there wasn't  an off-topic forum where members can open threads. Problem solved.

Oh, but I forgot, "it's the Pundit's forum, so we get to do what we want. 'Free Speech!' But only when we say so. But free speech, totally!! "

Close all the threads you want, but don't pretend you're all about free speech if you don't want people to call bullshit.

If you don't want 'fucksticks', then ban them. Otherwise, suck my fucking dick, punk.

Dude, free speech doesn't over-rule topicality.  It's not a 'repression of free speech' to close a thread about sword-fighting in a knitting forum, or a thread about race cars in a Jane Austen fan forum.

What Free Speech here means is that you can post whatever you want ABOUT RPGs.

Quote from: One Horse Town;813928You lot are hilarious. Put as much effort into the main forum as you do into the crap in this sub-forum and the front page of the RPG forum wouldn't have 5 day old threads on it. We used to have threads from 'yesterday' as the oldest threads on the front page here. Then the fuck-sticks came (yes, i'm talking about you if you think i'm talking about you, obviously) ably abetted by some folk who should know better and we're stuck with a bunch of folk who are more interested in talking about anything but fucking games.

That's what toy throwing looks like folks.

Don't like it - tough, go post about games. If you don't want to do that then what the fuck are you doing here?

Yeah, not to burst your pretentious little bubble here, but Will's thread WAS pretty on-topic, even if not explicitly stated for the hard-of-head.

He posted a story about kids getting kicked out of school for roleplaying. Not with dice and rules, mind you, but that is essentially what the story came down to.

Granted the discussion up to the point you closed the thread didn't take on that angle, and I'm not here to whine about you closing the thread, but your tone here is patronizing enough that its worth pointing out the lack of reading comprehension behind your sarcasm.

Myself, I offer a simple solution to these conundrums:

We kill the Pundit forum.

Thanks, Pundit, I was a bit taken aback by the reaction and thinking I had really misunderstood things.

But next time I'll try to work harder at good framing and context for more out there topics.

Well, in all fairness to Dan, even though the video eventually got around to specifically tying in gaming, the overall tone of the discussion of the thread was based around the gender politics aspect of the talk, namely the feminisation of scholastics and academia.  Threads get closed for more then just the OP.

Quote from: Rincewind1;814010Myself, I offer a simple solution to these conundrums:

We kill the Pundit forum.

It would remove confusion - both mine and posters. Then again, since Pundit is now a big-boy political correspondent, he might want to clarify what is and isn't allowed in his forum.

Yesterday, threads on his forum were clearly taking people away from the main forum. There were about 3 active threads in the RPG section from 7am to 4 pm, meanwhile loads of crap in Pundies playhouse. That was my frustration and i vented it. People are free to disagree, of course.

Quote from: RPGPundit;814006Dude, free speech doesn't over-rule topicality.  It's not a 'repression of free speech' to close a thread about sword-fighting in a knitting forum, or a thread about race cars in a Jane Austen fan forum.

What Free Speech here means is that you can post whatever you want ABOUT RPGs.

Had Will's post been about necrophilia, I wouldn't have even made a stink about it being closed, but you can't even say that the discussion that followed was off topic. You have discussions like that peppered all over this forum, and more than a few posts on feminism which have gone untouched by moderation.

Yet OneHorseClown swooped in to close that thread with a brainless quip about RPGNet...while acting like a dumbass mod from RPGNet.

Anyway, the thread might be reopened, so whatever. I already said this place is much better than other forums. Just don't think that the contradictions between grandstanding about free speech and this kind of mod crap aren't apparent.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;814037Had Will's post been about necrophilia, I wouldn't have even made a stink about it being closed, but you can't even say that the discussion that followed was off topic. You have discussions like that peppered all over this forum, and more than a few posts on feminism which have gone untouched by moderation.

Yet OneHorseClown swooped in to close that thread with a brainless quip about RPGNet...while acting like a dumbass mod from RPGNet.

Anyway, the thread might be reopened, so whatever. I already said this place is much better than other forums. Just don't think that the contradictions between grandstanding about free speech and this kind of mod crap aren't apparent.

These kinds of posts are not the norm for therpgsite though. We've generally tried to avoid having threads that get into the identity politics (or any politics) of gaming. It wasn't until recently that we started having more of them. We don't want to have the constant tangency nonsense you get at rpg.net where every thread is about some other issue and only superficially tied to RPGs (especially in the main RPG forum). The purpose of the RPGsite is not to have that kind of politics+RPG discussion but to simply allow a wider range of voices. If you thought this site was supposed to be rpg.net but more friendly to conservative views or something, you are incorrect. When threads like this do open up in Pundit's forum or when he allows topics to veer into them in the RPG forum, then yes we allow a broader range of voices. But the goal here is a site where the focus is on gaming.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;814039These kinds of posts are not the norm for therpgsite though. We've generally tried to avoid having threads that get into the identity politics (or any politics) of gaming. It wasn't until recently that we started having more of them. We don't want to have the constant tangency nonsense you get at rpg.net where every thread is about some other issue and only superficially tied to RPGs (especially in the main RPG forum). The purpose of the RPGsite is not to have that kind of politics+RPG discussion but to simply allow a wider range of voices. If you thought this site was supposed to be rpg.net but more friendly to conservative views or something, you are incorrect. When threads like this do open up in Pundit's forum or when he allows topics to veer into them in the RPG forum, then yes we allow a broader range of voices. But the goal here is a site where the focus is on gaming.

If I thought it was that, I would have expected Will and JHKim to be banned long ago for not having the "right" views. So that's not it.

You can have whatever policy you want, but when the site owner regularly breaks that policy, while the policy is inconsistently applied to others, it sounds less like supporting free speech and more like "Do as we say, not as we do."

You can run it however you like, but don't act like it isn't hella inconsistent, and don't expect people to take the free speech rants too seriously.

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;813974And this is not a pipe.

I don't think you understood René Magritte's point about the Treachery of Images. The representation of the pipe is not ironic, as you seem to have used it here.

Go surrealist semiotics!

//Panjumanju

Quote from: Panjumanju;814049I don't think you understood René Magritte's point about the Treachery of Images. The representation of the pipe is not ironic, as you seem to have used it here.

Go surrealist semiotics!

//Panjumanju

Expressionism and modern discourse

JEAN-MICHEL VON LUDWIG
DEPARTMENT OF DECONSTRUCTION, UNIVERSITY OF OREGON


 
1. Stone and semiotic theory

The primary theme of de Selby's[1] critique of modern discourse is the common ground between class and sexual identity. However, in Natural Born Killers, Stone reiterates subconceptualist objectivism; in Heaven and Earth, although, he denies modern discourse. The characteristic theme of the works of Stone is the role of the participant as poet.

It could be said that the subject is contextualised into a expressionism that includes language as a whole. Baudrillard's analysis of modern discourse implies that consciousness has intrinsic meaning.

But the subject is interpolated into a deconstructive posttextual theory that includes art as a reality. Foucault uses the term 'expressionism' to denote a self-falsifying whole.

It could be said that any number of narratives concerning modern discourse exist. Sargeant[2] states that the works of Stone are not postmodern.

2. Expressionism and Lyotardist narrative

If one examines Lyotardist narrative, one is faced with a choice: either accept material discourse or conclude that the raison d'etre of the participant is significant form, given that narrativity is distinct from reality. Thus, if expressionism holds, we have to choose between Lyotardist narrative and the neosemanticist paradigm of context. The subject is contextualised into a modern discourse that includes truth as a totality.

In the works of Burroughs, a predominant concept is the concept of conceptual narrativity. It could be said that Buxton[3] implies that we have to choose between subsemioticist deconstruction and cultural sublimation. The within/without distinction depicted in Burroughs's Nova Express emerges again in Queer, although in a more mythopoetical sense.

In a sense, many discourses concerning not narrative, as Debord would have it, but neonarrative may be revealed. In The Ticket that Exploded, Burroughs examines modern discourse; in Queer, however, he analyses expressionism.

Therefore, premodernist dialectic theory states that sexuality is used to exploit the Other. Sartre suggests the use of modern discourse to analyse and deconstruct sexual identity.

However, the example of Lyotardist narrative which is a central theme of Burroughs's Port of Saints is also evident in Naked Lunch. The subject is interpolated into a Baudrillardist hyperreality that includes culture as a whole.

1. de Selby, K. S. P. (1996) The Collapse of Culture: Expressionism in the works of Cage. University of North Carolina Press

2. Sargeant, Y. B. ed. (1974) Modern discourse in the works of Burroughs. University of Oregon Press

3. Buxton, T. (1993) Forgetting Sontag: Sartreist absurdity, expressionism and capitalism. University of Illinois Press