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Quote from: JimBobOz, in another threadtherpgsite's forums are very friendly to all sorts of approaches to gaming, but they are very unfriendly to women and homosexuals.

Do people agree or disagree?  Do we have female and/or gay members who feel less-than-completely-welcome around here?  If so, what can be done to make the site friendlier?

Certainly, I don't see many posters with obviously female handles.  And that has concerned me for a while.  I think part of the problem has to be the amount of local hostility towards some of the more traditionally girl-friendly games like the World of Darkness and LARPs.

I think it's abject nonsense from beginning to end.

I've not seen anything here to indicate sexism and anything to indicate homophobia, had I noticed it, I would have jumped on with huge hobnailed boots.

Like I said in the original thread this came from; the only people this place is specifically unfriendly toward is thin-skinned "sensitive" people.  Unless you're suggesting that Homosexuals or Women are more "sensitive" than straight men, more delicate, and will break easier from any kind of rough conversation, I don't think there's anything specifically unwelcoming to them.  I certainly think that a homosexual mainstream gamer who digs, say, Traveller, would feel more welcome here than a 100% straight heterosexual who loves universalis and thinks that the Forge is like the modern version of Beat Poets.

As for why we don't have too many women; well, the actual demographic for mainstream RPGs tends to be male.  When you're specifically dealing with real RPGs, it wouldn't be surprising that you'd have less female gamers.  Any woman who was tough enough and didn't expect special treatment or that moderation would be done on her behalf would be more than welcome to post here.

I guess it is possible that women are more "delicate", or believe that you need social control. Or, more likely, that's what they've been conditioned to think. In either case, I really don't care if we get women here or not. Any who want to come here and play by the same rules as everyone else is more than welcome; but I'm certainly not going to change anything to bring them in.

RPGpundit

In my experience, the kind of women who hang around on internet forums can mix it up with the boys the same as any other poster can.  In fact, on the forum I oversee my discipline problems are far more likely to be with women.

We've got nothing to worry about.

I haven't felt targeted, discriminated against, or singled-out due to my sexual orientation here.

If I did, I'd give the bastard what-for.  *shrug*

I've kind of wondered where the ladies are.

See, I dunno if any one of you is gay or not, and frankly I don't really think it matters -- I just kind of assumed some gay folks post here, but it's never come up that they're gay.  Okay, RedFox is, but I just read that and I think I knew, but I must've forgotten.  No offense, man, but  to me, it's not an issue.

Girls?  I'm not sure how we're unfriendly to women.  I know I'm not; I married one, after all, and one who games, at that.  

I guess I'm kind of dull and uncontroversial, then, because I just wanna talk games, trade tips, ask questions and goof off with whoever shows up.

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!See, I dunno if any one of you is gay or not, and frankly I don't really think it matters -- I just kind of assumed some gay folks post here, but it's never come up that they're gay.  Okay, RedFox is, but I just read that and I think I knew, but I must've forgotten.  No offense, man, but  to me, it's not an issue.

Man, we homogays dream of having it not be an issue.  ;)  I'm not offended in the least.

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I guess I'm kind of dull and uncontroversial, then, because I just wanna talk games, trade tips, ask questions and goof off with whoever shows up.

Word.

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I guess I'm kind of dull and uncontroversial, then, because I just wanna talk games, trade tips, ask questions and goof off with whoever shows up.

That's my answer in a nutshell, and far better articulated at that.

Quote from: RPGPunditAs for why we don't have too many women; well, the actual demographic for mainstream RPGs tends to be male.  When you're specifically dealing with real RPGs, it wouldn't be surprising that you'd have less female gamers.

Roughly a third of all the roleplayers I've ever known have been female, but I'm quite frankly not sure why they don't frequent this site. It can't be an issue of "sensitivity" because most of them could probably hold their own even in an actual brawl (verbal or otherwise) better than I would.

In regards to discrimination, I've felt little of that on the basis of my sexual orientation. A little on the basis of race and religion, but none on sexual orientation.

As for the femal gamers... I can't say their minority status is so overwhelming in my experience. I know plenty. I taught a bunch how to play. But not seeing female gamers on forums is nothing new to me. I see more of those on blog sites than on forums. No idea why.

Well beejazz, I can speak for myself -- I don't care if you're a hot-pink My Little Pony who worships Ator the Mighty.  As long as you don't try to eat my brains or my loved ones' brains, I'm cool with you and anyone else who is not trying to eat my brains or my loved ones' brains.

'Cause you know about brain-eaters.

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Well beejazz, I can speak for myself -- I don't care if you're a hot-pink My Little Pony who worships Ator the Mighty.  As long as you don't try to eat my brains or my loved ones' brains, I'm cool with you and anyone else who is not trying to eat my brains or my loved ones' brains.

'Cause you know about brain-eaters.

Aw, poo! And I woke up so hungry this morning!

There's noatloads of unfriendliness rolling around here, but I've never seen it directed at a woman or homosexual simply because they were a woman or homosexual. The closest I've seen was the discussion of whether Borgstrom is a transexual or not, and that was a bunch of people asking questions and one guy being a putz, not a lynching. Hell, the people that were actively lynching Borgstrom in another thread were quick to point out that it didn't matter in the slightest.

I think there is a lot of unfriendliness--but its kinda equally spread out against everyone. I know I won't talk about my religious beliefs HERE (or RPG.net much), because of my perception of ongoing bias. It simply isn't worth the effort to discuss it or bring it up (other than you know HERE *L*)

However, I want to talk about games--not the other stuff.  I could care less someones gender, sexual persuasion (as LONG as it involves consenting, sentient adults...I have great rage at people who abuse children.), and so on and so forth.

I don't see this site as being hostile to homosexuals.  My opinion is that one would only consider it hostile to homosexuals if they identified themselves by their sexuality first and who they are second or later.  And I think that's the core of the reason why it's an "issue" at RPGnet.  It was never really an issue before it was artificially made an issue.  Ironically, RPGnet is more open to attacks based on sexuality than any other forum I've ever been to.  

In fact, RPGnet's attitude about it is much more hypocritical than anywhere else I've ever seen.  If you are straight, your voice is actually less relevant.  Whereas I see no such distinction here.  I sincerely doubt that a homosexual would be told their words on RPGs mean nothing purely because of their sexuality.  (Although there has been one cry of "pedophilia" in order to discredit a poster)

I imagine a sexualized furry wouldn't be very comfortable here.  That's about it.

Quote from: GabrielMy opinion is that one would only consider it hostile to homosexuals if they identified themselves by their sexuality first and who they are second or later.

  What does that even mean?  I mean, I know that bigots say that kind of thing quite a bit, but what does it actually mean?

Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalWhat does that even mean?  I mean, I know that bigots say that kind of thing quite a bit, but what does it actually mean?

Being one of those limp-wristed flamers who give the rest of us a bad name? Hooray steroetypes?

Quote from: GabrielI imagine a sexualized furry wouldn't be very comfortable here.  That's about it.

Think again.  :D

Quote from: GabrielIn fact, RPGnet's attitude about it is much more hypocritical than anywhere else I've ever seen.  If you are straight, your voice is actually less relevant.  Whereas I see no such distinction here.  I sincerely doubt that a homosexual would be told their words on RPGs mean nothing purely because of their sexuality.  (Although there has been one cry of "pedophilia" in order to discredit a poster)

Come on, this part is dodgy. I think you would have a better case if you said this about TO . But on RPGOpen this is not true. It's more of an Exalted/Wushu/ type thing :D

Regards,
David R

Not to make too big a deal about it, but I started this thread in hopes that we could discuss the issue without bringing RPGnet into the equation.

On an unrelated note, I am terribly unfriendly to children. Or something. They're always staring at me at restaurants*... it's creepy.













*Nowhere else though. I am invisible in all places except for restaurants and grocery-store checkout lines.

Well, I Googled "beejazz" and this was the first hit I got:

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Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Well, I Googled "beejazz" and this was the first hit I got:

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That is absolutely terrifying.

Well us gays don't get a private forum to discuss our gay agenda I think thats kinda unfreindly :-P

Quote from: James McMurrayThere's noatloads of unfriendliness rolling around here, but I've never seen it directed at a woman or homosexual simply because they were a woman or homosexual.

Ditto.

Quote from: BoyTypeRanmaWell us gays don't get a private forum to discuss our gay agenda I think thats kinda unfreindly :-P

Har har!

...asshat.

I'm not sure what I missed, but I missed something!














(Last I checked, this forum was about RPGs... if we make a different subforum or whatever for EVERY OTHER TOPIC, I think the least we can expect is some bloat. Not to mention a thinning-out of posts. I'm sure there's a forum for that somewhere... can't imagine what it discusses...)

I've said it before, but we're a pretty friendly bunch of intolerable assholes.

The RPG Site has what I'd call a fairly blokey atmosphere. You've got a bunch of outcasts and old Nutkinlanders – ie a feisty bunch. You've got the Pundawg talking about hos 'n bitches, and you've got the general frontier vibe.

That's what people mean. But you know, some people thought Story Games was too blokey.

Not that I've really noticed. I don't recall anyone's sexual orientation coming into conversation in any serious way, and Pundit's rants about soulless horrors that want only to change and neuter men was clearly talking about 'bitches', rather than 'women'. I've known both; women are wonderful creatures, but man, bitches is bitches, ya know?

That said, I guess this place exudes the sort of "boy's club" atmosphere that might make people whose identity is wrapped up in "Oh noes, protect me from teh ebil menfolk and their rampant cruelty!" uncomfortable. But then, I don't really care about them, so...*shrug* Whatever, man.

In the words of Frank Zappa: "You are what you is you is what you am."

You know, I can actually understand that a lot of gamers might have latent or active hostility towards women. After all a lot of gamers never have girlfriends and as such the lifetime of involuntary celibacy and basically no postivie interaction with women can make them bitter, angry and openly or passively hostile.

My respone is "So?". I mean, when women never date a guy or have anything to do with him  how do they expect him to feel when they essentially shut him out of dating, sex, romance, etc for his whole life?

Suck it up, ladies. You're not getting it as bad as the guys you've voted into the 'lifetime celibacy club".

Quote from: Dominus NoxMy respone is "So?". I mean, when women never date a guy or have anything to do with him  how do they expect him to feel when they essentially shut him out of dating, sex, romance, etc for his whole life?

"I only hate those bitches because they won't fuck me. Why won't they fuck me? The bitches!"

How's life in your parents' basement, mate?

Quote from: JimBobOz"I only hate those bitches because they won't fuck me. Why won't they fuck me? The bitches!"

How's life in your parents' basement, mate?

Hey, rejection hurts. You can't expect people subjected to a lifetime of rejection not to be hyurt, and being hurt leads to being angry.

Even catpissman has feelings, y'know.

Quote from: Dominus NoxHey, rejection hurts. You can't expect people subjected to a lifetime of rejection not to be hyurt, and being hurt leads to being angry.

Even catpissman has feelings, y'know.

Oh, well that makes it alright then.

Quote from: Dominus NoxYou know, I can actually understand that a lot of gamers might have latent or active hostility towards women. After all a lot of gamers never have girlfriends and as such the lifetime of involuntary celibacy and basically no postivie interaction with women can make them bitter, angry and openly or passively hostile.

My respone is "So?". I mean, when women never date a guy or have anything to do with him  how do they expect him to feel when they essentially shut him out of dating, sex, romance, etc for his whole life?

Suck it up, ladies. You're not getting it as bad as the guys you've voted into the 'lifetime celibacy club".

Those guys need to wash, maybe join a gym and learn to talk about some broader interests than Lord of the Rings.

The fault, dear Dominus, lies not in our women but in ourselves.

I would second (or third) that it's kind of blokey in here. That's not a bad thing, in and of itself, but it can lead to a rather curdled atmosphere. Grumbling about the fickle nature of love doesn't help matters.

Ned

Well at least we haven't got onto the misogynist's favourite "Why don't women like nice guys?".  Answer "Because they're far too busy shagging Mr. Analytical... huzzah!"

The term 'blokey' does seem to be a decent descriptor, but at the same time, aside from the occasional outburst of pure wacky (see Dom), I've never noticed a persistent or guided animosity toward ladies or gay folks. At the same time being here I've learned how to personally edit the useful thoughts from the ignorant dumbassery in our posts so this place has become a smooth read for me.

This place is about reading and discussing games, so people of all walks should give this place a try. If you're a decent person and talk only about the gaming love, I don't see how the rest will matter to 95% of us and as for the remaining 5%? We're not afraid to ignore or question them.

Quote from: Christmas ApeNot that I've really noticed. I don't recall anyone's sexual orientation coming into conversation in any serious way, and Pundit's rants about soulless horrors that want only to change and neuter men was clearly talking about 'bitches', rather than 'women'. I've known both; women are wonderful creatures, but man, bitches is bitches, ya know?

That said, I guess this place exudes the sort of "boy's club" atmosphere that might make people whose identity is wrapped up in "Oh noes, protect me from teh ebil menfolk and their rampant cruelty!" uncomfortable. But then, I don't really care about them, so...*shrug* Whatever, man.

Precisely.

I don't think we are unfriendly to any particular group here.

except to the forge or WW, but that is purely on gaming nonsense.

if anything if mught be more correct to say that "The RPG Site is no unfriendly to any particular group, we are equally unfriendly to everyone.";)

We're equal-opportunity misanthropes.  We hate everyone equally... including ourselves.

Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalWe're equal-opportunity misanthropes.  We hate everyone equally... including ourselves.

I hate you...but I hate myself even more for saying that.....;)

Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalWe're equal-opportunity misanthropes.  We hate everyone equally... including ourselves.

Works for me, indeed it gives us a new slogan.

Come to the rpg.site, whoever you are and whatever you play we'll dislike you just as much.

theRPGSite:  Come for the buffet, stay for the hate.

Quote from: rcsampletheRPGSite:  Come for the buffet, stay for the hate.

YUSS

Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalWe're equal-opportunity misanthropes.  We hate everyone equally... including ourselves.

I'll take it up one step further :

Therpgsite, where Schadenfreude is a lifestyle choice.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: rcsampletheRPGSite:  Come for the buffet, stay for the hate.

I'd rep you for that if I could.

I, for one, was hugely baffled by the hue and cry about sexual orientation discrimination at RPG.net, and I would be equally baffled by it here, or on any other internet fora.

Part of it must have something to do with being a Pika (and no one with an ounce of sense discriminates against a Pika... smiting HURTS!)...

But most of it has to do with this: If you are gay, bisexual, furry, transexual wonderGods from outer space...

No one will know about it online unless you chose to make an issue of it.  If you don't want people calling you out, don't mention it. Don't like the tone of a poster's comments about your sex life, ignore him/her/it.  

If you want to crusade about it, and change people about shit like that, take it up somewhere relevant. If the SITE proves totally hostile, I suggest you don't go to 'Puritans.com' or whatever the fuck wrong turn you took. This is a gaming site, and we will talk about gaming until some asshole decides to make it the 'gay freindly site'... which would probably halve the posting, as those who wanted to talk primarily about gaming, and are uncomfortable talking about crusades against intolerant straights will find little to say or do and move on.

If someone is an ass, say they are an ass, ignore them... but move on.  We don't need more moderation to make us more freindly or tolerant, and despite what JimBob says all the time, neither does 'the other site'.... no more than a conversation on a streetcorner or in a cafeteria or at a resteraunt does.  

And if someone has a mind to point out that resteraunts can eject overly disruptive asshole customers.... why, yes, I know.

Quote from: SpikeWe don't need more moderation to make us more friendly or tolerant

Just to be clear: when I started this thread a modding solution to this problem (if it exists, sounds like most folk don't think it does) was never what I had in my mind.

If you're gay or a woman on this site, I don't even KNOW it. Except for Red Fox, who just metioned it.

Quote from: YamoIf you're gay or a woman on this site, I don't even KNOW it. Except for Red Fox, who just metioned it.

S'what I was trying to say, but you did it with fewer words.

BECAUSE ROTWANG! LIKES TO TYPE.

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See?

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See?

That's just sexist, that is.

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Quote from: JimBobOz"I only hate those bitches because they won't fuck me. Why won't they fuck me? The bitches!"

How's life in your parents' basement, mate?

I love you man.  I know we've had our spats and all, but just for this post, I love you.

Of course, it could be the booze talking.

And on topic, can't say as I've seen anything that would jump out at me.  And as sensitive as I am to gay-bashing, I'd be all jumping all over it if I say it.

I'm no gay bahser, I find it repellant and odius when "good christians" do it and thus avoid doing it myself.

I think the worst thing is that many ignorant people link homosexuality with child molestation, despite the fact that the facts clearly show that most child molestation is heterosexual in nature.

But gay child molestor stories sell, so the media hypes those cases to the max...

OK, cards on the table up front — I'm a gamer ... and a lesbian.

A friend pointed this thread out to me a few days ago, and I had meant to reply earlier. I'm glad I didn't now that I've seen the interchange. I find it interesting that not a few of the posts in a thread which purports to be discussing whether the site is misogynistic and/or homophobic themselves evince one or both of those qualities. I mean, the post by Christmas Ape and Spike's spray about "crusades against intolerant straights" are merely misguided and puerile, but I really *do* find it offensive to read anything by a poster whose sobriquet is "Vaginal Sludge" (Suuuuuuuure it's a joke — I obviously lack a sense of humour; I should have called myself "Penile Pus"!).

Let's be honest — few human communities to this point in history have allotted women or homosexuals anything remotely approaching the status of absolute equality that some of us would like. Even when we're granted legal and financial parity, it seems that there will always be some residual social and psychological discrimination, and so it's no surprise that it occurs here as well. It is even less surprising in the "real world" of roleplaying games, given that many gamers are males in their adolescence to early-20s. Yet there are girls and women who roleplay, as well as men who are secure in their adulthood and no longer have any need to prove themselves, and both female and male homosexuals. All that we ask is that when we come here "to talk about gaming," as Spike puts it, we are allowed to talk about *gaming* and aren't subjected to innuendoes based on our sex or sexual preference, any more than on our age, ethnicity or religion. This is what *I* mean by "political correctness" — you and I can call one another an "ass" if either thinks the other is acting like one, but I promise not to accuse you of only thinking with your Male Organ if you promise not to call me a silly Female Organ. And as for "bitches" and "ho's" and whingeing that girls have hurt your feelings...!

Fortunately there are games and gamers out there that have moved beyond the simplistic dungeoncrawl followed by ritual humiliation of female PCs, NPCs and prisoners. I can ignore the rest!

Quote from: Sally AbravanelOK, cards on the table up front — I’m a gamer … and a lesbian.

A friend pointed this thread out to me a few days ago, and I had meant to reply earlier. I’m glad I didn’t now that I’ve seen the interchange. I find it interesting that not a few of the posts in a thread which purports to be discussing whether the site is misogynistic and/or homophobic themselves evince one or both of those qualities. I mean, the post by Christmas Ape and Spike’s spray about “crusades against intolerant straights” are merely misguided and puerile, but I really *do* find it offensive to read anything by a poster whose sobriquet is “Vaginal Sludge” (Suuuuuuuure it’s a joke — I obviously lack a sense of humour; I should have called myself “Penile Pus”!).

Let’s be honest — few human communities to this point in history have allotted women or homosexuals anything remotely approaching the status of absolute equality that some of us would like. Even when we’re granted legal and financial parity, it seems that there will always be some residual social and psychological discrimination, and so it’s no surprise that it occurs here as well. It is even less surprising in the “real world” of roleplaying games, given that many gamers are males in their adolescence to early-20s. Yet there are girls and women who roleplay, as well as men who are secure in their adulthood and no longer have any need to prove themselves, and both female and male homosexuals. All that we ask is that when we come here “to talk about gaming,” as Spike puts it, we are allowed to talk about *gaming* and aren’t subjected to innuendoes based on our sex or sexual preference, any more than on our age, ethnicity or religion. This is what *I* mean by “political correctness” — you and I can call one another an “ass” if either thinks the other is acting like one, but I promise not to accuse you of only thinking with your Male Organ if you promise not to call me a silly Female Organ. And as for “bitches” and “ho’s” and whingeing that girls have hurt your feelings…!

Fortunately there are games and gamers out there that have moved beyond the simplistic dungeoncrawl followed by ritual humiliation of female PCs, NPCs and prisoners. I can ignore the rest!

Welcome back Sally!

Hopefully our hooligans, don't put you off enough to leave the boards.:D

One of the down sides to a site like this ,where we try our hardest not to cramp anyones right to say what they want, is that it requires a relatively thick skin. Not saying you or anyone else is thin skinned, but that generally people are not going refrain from insulting someone here like they would elsewhere.

That said if you or anyone else feels like things have crossed the line, you are free to contact the mods and we will certainly take look and see if any action is required.

Thanks, for posting and hopefully you will stick around and post some more. :D

Welcome Sally. You ought to, ideally, find that you will be judged here based on what you write and argue about games.  Your sexual orientation, or gender, should be of no particular interest to anyone.

Of course, in practice, it may not be that way. But I'm sure that anyone who tries to make personal attacks on you on the basis of either of these things will find himself roundly criticized by other posters.

You can also feel free to insult right back.
Keep in mind we don't censor language here.  So its like others have said, you have to have a bit of a thick skin.

If you were to really feel that someone was exclusively and only trolling/webstalking you, and attacking without contributing anything to the site, please let us know.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Sally AbravanelOK, cards on the table up front — I'm a gamer ... and a lesbian.

A friend pointed this thread out to me a few days ago, and I had meant to reply earlier. I'm glad I didn't now that I've seen the interchange. I find it interesting that not a few of the posts in a thread which purports to be discussing whether the site is misogynistic and/or homophobic themselves evince one or both of those qualities. I mean, the post by Christmas Ape and Spike's spray about "crusades against intolerant straights" are merely misguided and puerile, but I really *do* find it offensive to read anything by a poster whose sobriquet is "Vaginal Sludge" (Suuuuuuuure it's a joke — I obviously lack a sense of humour; I should have called myself "Penile Pus"!).

Let's be honest — few human communities to this point in history have allotted women or homosexuals anything remotely approaching the status of absolute equality that some of us would like. Even when we're granted legal and financial parity, it seems that there will always be some residual social and psychological discrimination, and so it's no surprise that it occurs here as well. It is even less surprising in the "real world" of roleplaying games, given that many gamers are males in their adolescence to early-20s. Yet there are girls and women who roleplay, as well as men who are secure in their adulthood and no longer have any need to prove themselves, and both female and male homosexuals. All that we ask is that when we come here "to talk about gaming," as Spike puts it, we are allowed to talk about *gaming* and aren't subjected to innuendoes based on our sex or sexual preference, any more than on our age, ethnicity or religion. This is what *I* mean by "political correctness" — you and I can call one another an "ass" if either thinks the other is acting like one, but I promise not to accuse you of only thinking with your Male Organ if you promise not to call me a silly Female Organ. And as for "bitches" and "ho's" and whingeing that girls have hurt your feelings...!

Fortunately there are games and gamers out there that have moved beyond the simplistic dungeoncrawl followed by ritual humiliation of female PCs, NPCs and prisoners. I can ignore the rest!

I have to say that I don't give a shit about equality. I desire superiority and will take it by force. Expect lots of bad shit to happen over the next three hundred years. Muahahahaha and some stuff.

Furthermore, I do discriminate on the basis of age. Fucking baby-boomers.

Quote from: Sally AbravanelI should have called myself "Penile Pus"!).

-er, not to create a stir or anything, but if you chose to do so I doubt you'd actually offend anyone- except for possibly nox. Furthermore, I think that Mr. A's title is an example of self deprecating humor, not an attack on female genitalia or females in general- but whatever.

Quote from: Aos-er, not to create a stir or anything, but if you chose to do so I doubt you'd actually offend anyone- except for possibly nox. Furthermore, I think that Mr. A's title is an example of self deprecating humor, not an attack on female genitalia or females in general- but whatever.

I don't know about offended, but I was eating yogurt just then.

I think that everyone here is fairly confident of defending themselves, even if we were mean toward women or homosexuals. Mostly we're a bunch of guys, and guys are going to rip on each other and those around them every once in a while.

Its like JimBobOz himself said recently, "Aren't we men?"

I'd think yer right, but I'm too fucked up on hydrocodone to go into why.

Quote from: Sally AbravanelAll that we ask is that when we come here "to talk about gaming," as Spike puts it, we are allowed to talk about *gaming* and aren't subjected to innuendoes based on our sex or sexual preference, any more than on our age, ethnicity or religion.

Can you post a link or two to where you've been talking about gaming and someone leapt on you for your sex or orientation? Hell, I wouldn't have even known your orientation if you hadn't opted to share it, but I suppose if someone already knew from another source they might feel inclined to "use it against you."

But I've seen some really raunchy personal attacks here and none have ever been based on sex or orientation. In fact they're almost exclusively aimed at someone's intelligence or lack thereof. There's a couple posters that act like complete fourth graders, but that's what the ignore button is for.

I don't care who or what you are, I'm just here to steal cool ideas..unless you are someone who doesn't like it when your ideas are stolen...then I'll unleash the pain : :rolleyes:

Regards,
David R

Quote from: mattormegIts like JimBobOz himself said recently, "Aren't we men?"

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Hey, Sally.  What do ya play?

Heh.

Sally called me out twice and I haven't the foggiest if it's good or bad. :D

If she's calling me a closet homophobe, I should feel compelled to remind her that us Pika's are asexual and reproduce by budding.... and we eat the slow ones.

Since I can't do that here, I resort to rapid frothing of the mouth and hyperbole.  

Its a living.

:cool:

Quote from: SpikeHeh.

Sally called me out twice and I haven't the foggiest if it's good or bad. :D

If she's calling me a closet homophobe, I should feel compelled to remind her that us Pika's are asexual and reproduce by budding.... and we eat the slow ones.

Since I can't do that here, I resort to rapid frothing of the mouth and hyperbole.  

Its a living.

:cool:

Just out of curiousity, if you reproduce by budding how to you evolve?

Quote from: Dominus NoxJust out of curiousity, if you reproduce by budding how to you evolve?

How does anything else that evolves by budding? How did we get past unicellular life at all?

I don't know the answer, but judging by the current diversity of life it had to have happened (barring intelligent design, lamarckian evolution, or any kind of existencial self-creation wierdness).

Quote from: Dominus NoxJust out of curiousity, if you reproduce by budding how to you evolve?

There is a limited amount of genetic drift in any given generation. If you will each bud is a slight variation on the original genome, and largely unique in it's drift. The more successful buds survive those desperate first days and hours of cannabalistic feeding, sometimes... often, taking down even the original and consuming it. The most successful drifts accumulate over generation, producing nastier and nastier buddings until you get the near perfection that is the modern Pika.


Why do you ask?

Quote from: SpikeThere is a limited amount of genetic drift in any given generation. If you will each bud is a slight variation on the original genome, and largely unique in it's drift. The more successful buds survive those desperate first days and hours of cannabalistic feeding, sometimes... often, taking down even the original and consuming it. The most successful drifts accumulate over generation, producing nastier and nastier buddings until you get the near perfection that is the modern Pika.


Why do you ask?

I was just curious, a lot of hard SF writers believe that sexual or other multi-organism reproduction is necessary for advanced lifeforms to evolve.

Quote from: Sally AbravanelI really *do* find it offensive to read anything by a poster whose sobriquet is "Vaginal Sludge"

  Hurrah!  I'm a bad bad man!  The term vaginal sludge comes from a book I read quite recently.  At one point there's a vigorous sex scene and one of the characters is described as having his eyes glued shut with "vaginal sludge" and I rather liked the way the phrase sounded so I decided to use it.

  When I first read your post I took it to be a flat out troll... possibly one of the famous nutkinland trolls returning to post in a thread about how we apparently hate GLBTs AND women AS a lesbian.

  However, given that some posters recognise you, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and not interpret your characterisation of the word "vaginal" as inherently misogynistic as an attempt at annoying me but rather the result of some neurosis such as body dismorphia or possibly a vagina-centric case of self-loathing based upon the clash between your sexuality and your up-bringing.

  If you used as your tagline "penile pus" it wouldn't even register to me as anything worth dwelling on.  I certainly wouldn't find it offensive... this is because I don't consider the mention of the sexual organs to be some kind of attack on their bearers, which is evidently the case with you.

  Anyway... I'm going to put you on my ignore list now but I'd really look into some kind of therapy because your reactions to the word "vaginal" really aren't those of a sane and happy person.  Your sex life must be a nightmare, not to mention any visits to the gynecologist.

Quote from: SpikeThere is a limited amount of genetic drift in any given generation. If you will each bud is a slight variation on the original genome, and largely unique in it's drift. The more successful buds survive those desperate first days and hours of cannabalistic feeding, sometimes... often, taking down even the original and consuming it. The most successful drifts accumulate over generation, producing nastier and nastier buddings until you get the near perfection that is the modern Pika.

So nothing to do with thunderstones then?

Mr. A, you may not be a bad bad man but that was a pretty shitty thing to say, even if you're analysis was absolutely correct.

Quote from: jrientsMr. A, you may not be a bad bad man but that was a pretty shitty thing to say, even if you're analysis was absolutely correct.

  I agree... it was a pretty shitty thing to say but then she's the one who started reading things into my character on the basis of an innocent phrase.  I was merely returning the favour.

Quote from: Mr. AnalyticalI agree... it was a pretty shitty thing to say but then she's the one who started reading things into my character on the basis of an innocent phrase.  I was merely returning the favour.

I can understand that somewhat but are you really so surprised that someone would take offense at a term like "vaginal sludge?"  I mean, okay...  taking it as a whole sexual identity attack when it's devoid of context is a bit much but...  man, it's a pretty offensive term.

Your own reaction in taking offense seems as disproportionate as the original.

Not to start splitting hairs, but I always took "offensive" to represent an active offense against you or your ilk. An insult to you. A comment that disparages your religion, gender, etc. I don't think "vaginal sludge" actually says anything about anyone.

So while it may be gross, it hardly counts as offensive. Even passively so.

Quote from: beejazzNot to start splitting hairs, but I always took "offensive" to represent an active offense against you or your ilk. An insult to you. A comment that disparages your religion, gender, etc. I don't think "vaginal sludge" actually says anything about anyone.

So while it may be gross, it hardly counts as offensive. Even passively so.

Yeah that's a fucking retarded definition.

Offensive
1 a : making attack : AGGRESSIVE b : of, relating to, or designed for attack c : of or relating to an attempt to score in a game or contest; also : of or relating to a team in possession of the ball or puck
2 : giving painful or unpleasant sensations : NAUSEOUS, OBNOXIOUS
3 : causing displeasure or resentment

Note 2 and 3 there.  One can find a sketch of a pile of dead babies being fucked by a goat offensive without being personally attacked by it.

Quote from: Hastur T. FannonSo nothing to do with thunderstones then?

We don't talk about things like that in public. Its rather...

... embarassing.:o

Quote from: SpikeWe don't talk about things like that in public. Its rather...

... embarassing.:o

Like how Klingons gained forehead ridges?

Spike: Are you at all conversant with the reproductive methods of your fellow Pokemon?

I thought that every time a new kid decided he had to catch them all WotC squirted one of each pokemon out of whichever orifice was most convenient at the time.

I'm fine with it being gross.

There's a sense in which the vagina itself is depicted as a slightly sinister entity.  Oozing blood and other fluids at strange times, producing children and receiving sperm... full of strange buttons and levers that are Other to your average repressed man.  In fact, there's a train of critical thought that suggests that many of Lovecraft's descriptions of beasties are expressions of his own vaginaphobia.  It's part of what the whole "vagina monologues" thing is all about, reclaiming the vagina not as a sinister and mysterious thing but as a positive and life-affirming thing.

So yes... the term is going to gross out those people who are prone to that vaginaphobic impulse of disgust and revulsion (which is why I drew the conclusions regarding Sally's character from what she said).

  Needless to say, I don't find vaginas in the least bit objectionable.  In fact, I'm rather fond of them.  I certainly don't think there's anything objective, noxious or unpleasant about the word "vagina".


My reaction was completely proportionate with Sally's response.  My point in writing it was that it's not nice when people jump to snap judgements about your character based on no context whatsoever.  I'm not sure what I'd rather be; a vaginaphobic lesbian or a knuckle-dragging misogynist but either way they're not the kind of accusation you throw around lightly.


I used "vaginal sludge" as a tag line because it is a wonderful and mephitic turn of phrase.  I put no more thought into it than that and as such it says no more about me than I enjoy purple prose.

Umm yeah vagina...  so umm, nothing offensive about the idea of vaginal sludge, then?

It's not really offensive... it's just "that gooey stuff that stops sex from hurting".  I know in erotic fiction they call it "wetness" or something but sludge is quite a nice comic term for it.

Especially if you couple it with the original context which is apparently that one character engaged in cunnilingus for so long and produced such copious outpourings that when it dried on his face it solidified into sludge.

It's all good mephitic stuff.  "Vaginal sludge" is no worse than "man-goo" or "boy-butter" as someone i know once referred to it.  It's just a nice icky turn of phrase for referring to sex stuff.

Vaginal slime would be far worse than vaginal sludge.

Quote from: RedFoxUmm yeah vagina...  so umm, nothing offensive about the idea of vaginal sludge, then?

Uh... according to your defs 2 and 3, yes. But I really don't care as much about that as long as there are no pics.

Also... Lovecraft as vaginaphobe? WTF? I can see how some of his shiz could be seen as phallic. I can (with a bit of a stretch) some people issues in chitin and/or incorporeality. I don't know that fungus is anything more than fungus...

Perhaps you're getting this from some variety of bloodsucking mouthparts? Vertically oriented mouth of an insectiod? I've read some Lovecraft, but I've not read all of it.

Quote from: fonkaygarrySpike: Are you at all conversant with the reproductive methods of your fellow Pokemon?

What, you mean... food?

Why would I know about that?

:p

Quote from: beejazzAlso... Lovecraft as vaginaphobe? WTF? I can see how some of his shiz could be seen as phallic. I can (with a bit of a stretch) some people issues in chitin and/or incorporeality. I don't know that fungus is anything more than fungus...

Perhaps you're getting this from some variety of bloodsucking mouthparts? Vertically oriented mouth of an insectiod? I've read some Lovecraft, but I've not read all of it.

  If you read Lovecraft's letters you see that he applies the same style of prose he uses to describe his monsters for describing the people of the racially diverse New York.

  Lovecraft's an example though.  The idea is that men see women as something inherrently alien and other... and there's nothing so alien and other to a man than a woman's genitals.  It's completely unlike our genitals that are easy to grab hold of and to action, a woman's genitals are complex and hidden and you can't just grab hold of them and start yanking... you actually have to learn how to give pleasure.

  So Lovecraft's monsters with their dark moist glistening contours, their sucking mouthparts filled with teeth and their strange and alien motivations utterly adrift from the rational world of men CAN be seen as Lovecraft writing about women.  Similarly what is the Heart of Darkness or Apocalypse Now but a voyage up the long passageway where strange forces lurk out of sight and the air is thick with moist heat.

   It's how some feminists would characterise a lot of male literature.  That doesn't mean that it IS what Lovecraft or Conrad were writing about but it's an interpretation.

  My point was that there IS a belief whether it's real or not, that men view the vagina as this ugly and threatening thing.  That's kind of the belief that the phrase is playing off of.

Quote from: SpikeWhat, you mean... food?

It's a dark and grim, yet colorful world you live in, Spike.

Ok, I went reading before I made a reply to this post.

Frankly, what I see is a bunch of GAMERS trying to talk about what they like.

I will say, though, that some female gamers aren't really about the game. They play to get attention from the others, to make their boyfriends happy, or for many other fucked up reasons. This group will, from lots of personal unhappy experience, take everything personally! From the evil sorceress, to the barbarian wanting to hump all the girls in the tavern, even the damn goblens wanting to make them into stew...it's all because they are a girl.:crap:  You don't have to be prejudice against anyone or any group to have them go off!


Now, there are a lot of us out here that are about the game. I, for one, could care less if someone gives me crap. I am perfectly capeable of giving it right back :deviousgrin: . Hell, I give myself more crap than anyone else does most of the time.

Anyway, unless someone makes a simple straight forward slam on someone else about their gender or sexual preferences, it's all good. And if someone does make that kind of statement, just be sure everyone else lets them know what kind of a jerk they are.

I've only played with two females and both of them were as straight-up as any guy when it came to gaming. The first time I encountered female gamers who run and cry about being offended was on message boards, and even there they were a minority. I think the basic thrust of this board is going to keep the delicate types away... they'll stay on EN World or some similar site and that's fine. There's a place for everyone.

I married a gamer, and she's definitely a girl.  

There you go, Bob's your uncle.

Yo, Darkwolfess, welcome to the, the, the whatever we are here.

Quote from: darkwolfessOk, I went reading before I made a reply to this post.

Frankly, what I see is a bunch of GAMERS trying to talk about what they like.

I will say, though, that some female gamers aren't really about the game.

There are a lot of male gamers that aren't really about the game too.

This site is all about gamers of any stripe that ARE about the game.

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Quote from: RedFoxYeah that's a fucking retarded definition.

I have to say, that's the funniest thing I've read in this thread.

I could totally see you saying it...bot that I have any idea what you look or sound like.

I just kinda saw a murky smoke filled place with a dark silhouette who appeared pensive for a second and politely said, "yeah" pause, then deadpan: "that's a fucking retarded definition."

Just cracked me up!

I'm not a misogynist nor homophobe...I haven't seen much of that around here either.

I just wanted to add that I thought penile pus would have been funny, had anyone actually said it.

Actually I'm not so much unfriendly to women and homosexuals as I am...well...disappointing once they know I'm married.


:idunno:

Quote from: joewolzI have to say, that's the funniest thing I've read in this thread.

I could totally see you saying it...bot that I have any idea what you look or sound like.

I just kinda saw a murky smoke filled place with a dark silhouette who appeared pensive for a second and politely said, "yeah" pause, then deadpan: "that's a fucking retarded definition."

Just cracked me up!

It's this place.  It changes a man.

Quote from: joewolzI have to say, that's the funniest thing I've read in this thread.

I could totally see you saying it...bot that I have any idea what you look or sound like.

I just kinda saw a murky smoke filled place with a dark silhouette who appeared pensive for a second and politely said, "yeah" pause, then deadpan: "that's a fucking retarded definition."

That is because Red IS a pensive, polite, dark silhouette in a smoke filled room! Ask anyone from #rpgnet! :D

-clash

Ironically, some would react with the same disdain to someone saying "that's a fucking retarded definition", as others would to someone saying "that definition is gay".

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Quote from: RPGPunditIronically, some would react with the same disdain to someone saying "that's a fucking retarded definition", as others would to someone saying "that definition is gay".

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Yeah? Well, I think that's a freemasonic post.

I actually just read the whole ten pages of the thread, and it's just so funny. WHO actually said we were homophobes in the first place??? Shite, if I had done it, I'll be laughing my arse off right now.
Could we move back to the Amber thread, please?
And I must say that I was really sad when I heard about Spike. Asexual? Bloody hell!!! And here I was, totally turned on by the butt slaping...

Quote from: RPGPunditIronically, some would react with the same disdain to someone saying "that's a fucking retarded definition", as others would to someone saying "that definition is gay".

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I deeply apologize to all of our mentally challenged readers.

Quote from: RedFoxI deeply apologize to all of our mentally challenged readers.

Now, Nox, what do you say when someone apologizes to you?

;)

Quote from: RedFoxI deeply apologize to all of our mentally challenged readers.

  That'll take you a while.  I'll ask them to form an orderly queue.  Well, I say orderly... I'm sure they'll do their best.

Quote from: SunBoyYeah? Well, I think that's a freemasonic post.

I actually just read the whole ten pages of the thread, and it's just so funny. WHO actually said we were homophobes in the first place???

The Swine. Anytime they start losing an argument with me, out come the accusations that I'm racist, sexist, and homophobic.

This place gets tarred by association since they see it as "my place", and desperately want to paint it as a haven for the Neo-nazis or something, in order to keep people from checking it out and realizing that you can have a forum without fascistic moderation.

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Quote from: RedFoxI deeply apologize to all of our mentally challenged readers.

But the real question is: were you attacking "mentally challenged" people when you used that word? Were you literally mocking, insulting, or trying to create hatred for the retarded?

Cause, see, I don't think you were. I think you were only using that word in its common social function, as "stupid". It wasn't about the other group at all.

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Quote from: RPGPunditThe Swine. Anytime they start losing an argument with me, out come the accusations that I'm racist, sexist, and homophobic.

This place gets tarred by association since they see it as "my place", and desperately want to paint it as a haven for the Neo-nazis or something, in order to keep people from checking it out and realizing that you can have a forum without fascistic moderation.

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They probably have the impression that it's a diaspora / bitter hate-fest site.

Which might be true to a certain extent (there's undeniably an air of hostility towards rpg.net here, and there have been a few bitching threads oh yes).  However, that severely underestimates its utility as a gaming site in its own right.

They also overestimate the hostility here.  As you yourself might say, the safety cushions are removed here and that frightens them.  To a certain extent, they have to assume that this place is an anarchic cess pit, because to do otherwise undermines their authority.

Quote from: RPGPunditBut the real question is: were you attacking "mentally challenged" people when you used that word? Were you literally mocking, insulting, or trying to create hatred for the retarded?

Cause, see, I don't think you were. I think you were only using that word in its common social function, as "stupid". It wasn't about the other group at all.

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OK, I see where you're going with this (or think I do), in relation to that other thread.  That thread has, mostly moved on, so I didn't want to respond there.

I will thus give you my perspective, from what I see in the real world outside the nternet, here in America:  The comparison does not fucking apply.  

I see the excuse used over and over again online, but generally only by spineless cowards trying to back out once they've been called on something, that somehow "gay" as derogatory is seperated from "gay" as homosexual.

It isn't.  Pure and simple.  "Gay" is used as an insult, because it's about fuckign homosexuals, and homosexuals are bad.  That's it.  Everyone knows what the fucking word means, and knows why it's used that way.  The defense is just a BS semantic dodge, on the order of screeching "PC" at someone who just called you out for saying "nigger".  

Now obviously, this is a global site.  You yourself aren't from the US, so you only get your familiarity from out culture indirectly, through media and the Internet.  Which, frankly, are not a reflector of real life, and I should expect a reasonably intelligent grown man to realize that.

And Cartman was a REALLY bad example because his whole character is explicitly designed to be the biggest bigot you can imagine within the bounds of what is allowed on network TV.

So yeah, you're going to get some Americans who don't bat an eye at it, and some others getting pissed at you.  But they know exactly what the word means, and expect you're using it the same way they are: To mean that guy over there who likes other guys, whether in a positive or negative light.  And their reactions are going to come accordingly.

Quote from: RPGPunditBut the real question is: were you attacking "mentally challenged" people when you used that word? Were you literally mocking, insulting, or trying to create hatred for the retarded?

Cause, see, I don't think you were. I think you were only using that word in its common social function, as "stupid". It wasn't about the other group at all.

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Oh, I knew who and what the word denigrated.  I used it anyway, though.

Which is why I apologized.

If someone is truly offended here by my use of "retarded" in that manner, whether because they themselves are mentally challenged or (more likely) they have friends or family who are, I'm truly sorry and did not intend to slight them.

Everyone can be a shit at times.  Being a man (or woman) means facing up to it when you do it and reigning it in.

Topical humorous interjection, from Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=AaYJ-Fevoic)

Quote from: SpikeNow, Nox, what do you say when someone apologizes to you?

;)

Go fuck yourself.

Quote from: J ArcaneOK, I see where you're going with this (or think I do), in relation to that other thread.  That thread has, mostly moved on, so I didn't want to respond there.

I will thus give you my perspective, from what I see in the real world outside the nternet, here in America:  The comparison does not fucking apply.  

I see the excuse used over and over again online, but generally only by spineless cowards trying to back out once they've been called on something, that somehow "gay" as derogatory is seperated from "gay" as homosexual.

It isn't.  Pure and simple.  "Gay" is used as an insult, because it's about fuckign homosexuals, and homosexuals are bad.  That's it.  Everyone knows what the fucking word means, and knows why it's used that way.  The defense is just a BS semantic dodge, on the order of screeching "PC" at someone who just called you out for saying "nigger".  

Actually, I do accuse people of being PC pod people if they attack whites for saying 'nigger' while NOT attacking blacks for saying things like "cracker" or "Hawnkee".

I consider that to be a PC racial double standard, and I call people on it.

Quote from: Dominus NoxGo fuck yourself.

Now, now... Nox, that isn't right at all. Where are your manners?



One day, Nox, this site will propel you to a meltdown of epic proportions. With any luck you will do it via posting for everyone to enjoy.  You've done it to yourself.


Until then...

Quote from: Dominus NoxActually, I do accuse people of being PC pod people if they attack whites for saying 'nigger' while NOT attacking blacks for saying things like "cracker" or "Hawnkee".

I consider that to be a PC racial double standard, and I call people on it.

Umm... What does this have to do with ANYTHING?

My guess would be that it was a respones to the post he quoted. I know, hard to believe, but there it is just the same. :)

Quote from: James McMurrayMy guess would be that it was a respones to the post he quoted. I know, hard to believe, but there it is just the same. :)

Yeah, I got that much. I was more referring to the apparent disconnect.

That and who calls anyone cracker anymore?

Nobody. I believe the correct word is cracka.

Quote from: James McMurrayNobody. I believe the correct word is cracka.

In high school I had a buddy named Brandon, whom everyone called Brando.  Brando was a pretty cool cat, but he called everyone at school "cracka".  Everyone except me and this one kid he always called "Spaghetti-O".  He was one of less than ten black kids in the entire school.

We'd be at lunch: "Hey Brando, what's up?"
"Nothin', cracka."
"Man, you gotta quit callin people that.  It ain't nice, dude." We'd all be laughing at this point.
"Shut up, cracka."

We came up with all sorts of Brando sayings like "What the cracka?" and so on.  Fun times.  God, I miss him sometimes.

In Melbourne, the word for 'white Anglo-Celt' is 'skip'. As in Skippy the Bush Kangaroo.


(http://www.momofreaksout.com/media/2/20050330-skippy.jpg)


It's a funny thing, but I'd never heard it in Western Australia – which is full of skips.

Quote from: RedFoxThey also overestimate the hostility here.  As you yourself might say, the safety cushions are removed here and that frightens them.  To a certain extent, they have to assume that this place is an anarchic cess pit, because to do otherwise undermines their authority.

Specifically, it undermines their excuses for why their sites of choice "have to" be so authoritarian.

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Quote from: J ArcaneAnd Cartman was a REALLY bad example because his whole character is explicitly designed to be the biggest bigot you can imagine within the bounds of what is allowed on network TV.

Dude, ignoring the fact that EVERYONE on South Park uses "gay", the word is used all the time by other, non-bigoted people. You see it used on television constantly as something that is in no way meant to be a homophobic statement.

QuoteSo yeah, you're going to get some Americans who don't bat an eye at it, and some others getting pissed at you.  But they know exactly what the word means, and expect you're using it the same way they are: To mean that guy over there who likes other guys, whether in a positive or negative light.  And their reactions are going to come accordingly.

I don't agree; and I can't believe that you really believe this, that everyone who says "that's gay" is specifically saying "I hate and/or fear Homosexuals", anymore than anyone who says "that's retarded" is specifically saying "I hate the mentally handicapped".

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Quote from: RPGPunditDude, ignoring the fact that EVERYONE on South Park uses "gay", the word is used all the time by other, non-bigoted people. You see it used on television constantly as something that is in no way meant to be a homophobic statement.

Repeat after me now:  Television is not real life.  Television is not real life.  

QuoteI don't agree; and I can't believe that you really believe this, that everyone who says "that's gay" is specifically saying "I hate and/or fear Homosexuals", anymore than anyone who says "that's retarded" is specifically saying "I hate the mentally handicapped".

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I'm not saying that's what they're saying either.

I'm saying there is a stigma attached to being gay in our culture.  That stigma is the reason the word is used as a derogative.  Because gay people are icky and unnatural.

It doesn't necessarily make you or anyone else a raging bigot just because you used the word.  But it does mean that it holds a negative attachment, and that you used it negatively as a result, and that further attaching additional negative meanings to the word only reinforces this effect.

Quote from: fonkaygarryIn high school I had a buddy named Brandon, whom everyone called Brando.  Brando was a pretty cool cat, but he called everyone at school "cracka".  Everyone except me and this one kid he always called "Spaghetti-O".  He was one of less than ten black kids in the entire school.

We'd be at lunch: "Hey Brando, what's up?"
"Nothin', cracka."
"Man, you gotta quit callin people that.  It ain't nice, dude." We'd all be laughing at this point.
"Shut up, cracka."

We came up with all sorts of Brando sayings like "What the cracka?" and so on.  Fun times.  God, I miss him sometimes.

Did you get to call him nigga?

Hey, being called a cracker or a cracka doesn't bother me. It just means my ancestors were so much more advanced culturally and technologically over other groups that they ended up cracking whips across their backs.

So it's like "My ancestors had ships that could sail the world while yours had dugout canoes. My ancestors had cannons and flintlocks while yours had spears. My ancestors had nations and empires while yours had tribes. My ancestors had cities while yours had huts. So my ancestors ended up cracking whips across your ancestors backs thru massive technological and cultural superiority, and I'm supposed to be offended by that? Don't hold your breath."

Quote from: Dominus NoxHey, being called a cracker or a cracka doesn't bother me. It just means my ancestors were so much more advanced culturally and technologically over other groups that they ended up cracking whips across their backs.

My ancestors invented chess. Does that make me smarter than you?

QuoteSo it's like "My ancestors had ships that could sail the world while yours had dugout canoes. My ancestors had cannons and flintlocks while yours had spears. My ancestors had nations and empires while yours had tribes. My ancestors had cities while yours had huts. So my ancestors ended up cracking whips across your ancestors backs thru massive technological and cultural superiority, and I'm supposed to be offended by that? Don't hold your breath."

Firstly, your ancestors borrowed just about all of the above from my ancestors. Or from farther East via my ancestors' trade routes. We had all that pre-crusades.

That said, getting there first or developing it yourself doesn't actually give you the advantage necessary to conquer, etc (whip-cracking, as you call it) as evidenced by the fact that said developments have fuck all to do with the setting in which they were developed (or are you about to tell me that the Middle East is still a golden, prosperous empire?).

In the case of colonialism, slavery, etc. the thing that led to victory was as much ruthlessness (sometimes disease, too) as it was technology.

In conclusion, you are proud of your ancestors for conquering? So you're proud of your ancestors for breaking contracts, spreading illness throughout the world, and slaughtering innocents? Douche.

Also, by the logic that conquering means superiority, you discredit your ancestors for having lost said control.

Dominus has got issues that most of us abandoned/resolved when we were 13 years old.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: J ArcaneRepeat after me now:  Television is not real life.  Television is not real life.  

You know, there's a lot of sound strategies you could use to win this argument.  Pretending that something's not true when it is, that's not the way to do it.
You know that in reality a huge section of mainstream society uses the term "gay" as in "that's gay" to mean "that's lame", without any conscious homophobia.

To try to argue that its something that only happens on TV is really a bad rhetorical move on your part.

QuoteIt doesn't necessarily make you or anyone else a raging bigot just because you used the word.  But it does mean that it holds a negative attachment, and that you used it negatively as a result, and that further attaching additional negative meanings to the word only reinforces this effect.

See now, that would be a better argumental tact to take.

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Quote from: David RDominus has got issues that most of us abandoned/resolved when we were 13 years old.

Regards,
David R

Word. And he's also an idiot.

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Quote from: RPGPunditWord. And he's also an idiot.

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And an even bigger bigot than I thought, apparently.

Yawn.

Quote from: Dominus NoxYawn.

Dominus, given this, and the post you made in the Pundit's forum around the same time AND the lack of reading comprehension you showed in the 'Big purple love' thread...

I'd suggest getting a good night sleep.  You are obviously sleep deprived, and it's showing in your posts...

One dude I heard about in college would get drunk and scold his Chinese roommate for hoarding all the pandas.

They should be scolded. It's because of those guys that I can't gets me no sweet sweet panda lovin'.

Quote from: James McMurrayThey should be scolded. It's because of those guys that I can't gets me no sweet sweet panda lovin'.

No Ling Ling for you, pervo!:D

Quote from: James McMurrayDid you get to call him nigga?

  Don't even start dude.  A friend of mine was on-stage at a comedy club and he made this crack about how 40 years ago a black guy would have been upside down with a fork in his arse.  I said to him "You know... one of these days someone's going to say something like that and the media are going to go WILD!"

It was an honest question. Was it a situation where all racial slurs were allowed, and thereby had all their power negated, or was it one where the people who would typically be oppressed are allowed to do what they want as an apology for the oppression (whether it actually happened or not)? Or something in between.

I'm always fascinated by personal interactions, so I'd really love to know. It's not a judgement though. Unless the guy was offending people by calling them cracka his use of the word is meaningless. It didn't sound like anyone ws offended.

never mind... I was obliquely referring to Michael Richards.

Quote from: Mr. Analyticalnever mind... I was obliquely referring to Michael Richards.

Yes. It was very funny.

My shattered ego thanks you ;-)

Quote from: Mr. Analyticalnever mind... I was obliquely referring to Michael Richards.

I know. I just wanted to reiterate that I meant the question. So much of what I post is sarcastic that the person I was referring to may not realize I was asking a serious question.

To reply: No one took him seriously about any of that.  He was a total cartoon character with regard to so many personal habits (he carried around a Beanie Baby lion named George, wore a biohazard orange denim jacket whenever we were out of uniform, came up with mind-boggling nicknames like "Wheat and Cheese" and "Spaghetti-O" and thought Reba McEntyre was sexy) that we just saw it as part of a crazy, crazy whole.

For me, at least, race didn't play a big part in any of it.

Cool.

"I'm not prejudiced against homosexuals and women. Don't be such a whiny pussy fag."

As a heterosexual male I'm almost fine with that last statement. Unfortunately, you've also shown yourself to hate whiny people. And that's not fair! (stamps feet)

Quote from: JimBobOz"I'm not prejudiced against homosexuals and women. Don't be such a whiny pussy fag."

It is interesting to me that out of all the threads and posts I've read here, this is the only one I can see being percieved as hostile to said groups.

The whole tone of "anyone who thinks this is obviously a spineless crybaby", combined with the continuous implications that said groups are prone to be such, kinda doesn't help things much.

Well, I think there are just as many spineless crybabys who are heterosexual males.

RPGPundit

In America gay bashing seems to be on the rise. Last halloween we had a christian "house of horrors" featuring a 'gay wedding" presided over by a demon from hell as the minister, and of course the right in america is pushing thru bans on same sex marriages in as many states as possible.

I support gay rights both because it's the right thing to do, and because it pisses off people like the ones who bash gays all the time. The gay bashers tend to be the kind of conservative who wants to force his views on everyone thru legislation, and I really hate those people.

Let's see pundy blast THIS post based on some misinterpretation....:blahblah:

Quote from: Dominus NoxI support gay rights both because it's the right thing to do, and because it pisses off people like the ones who bash gays all the time. The gay bashers tend to be the kind of conservative who wants to force his views on everyone thru legislation, and I really hate those people.

Let's see pundy blast THIS post based on some misinterpretation....:blahblah:

Nah, too easy. So you do not actually think that people with different sexual preferences deserve equal rights, you're just trying to be an annoying fuck? Mate, you're good at it. Oh, and BTW, that's typical closet-fag-talk.
And, one more thing, do Islamites deserve equal rights, too?

Quote from: SunBoyNah, too easy. So you do not actually think that people with different sexual preferences deserve equal rights, you're just trying to be an annoying fuck? Mate, you're good at it. Oh, and BTW, that's typical closet-fag-talk.
And, one more thing, do Islamites deserve equal rights, too?

Uh... Islamite?

I'm laughing and I don't know why.

Quote from: beejazzUh... Islamite?

I'm laughing and I don't know why.

Don't feel bad man, so am I.

Why? Is that not a word? Sorry. I'm spanish-speaker. But you know what I mean. I just hate that signature. At first, I took it as a joke, but seeing subsecuent posts I'm not so sure anymore.

Quote from: SunBoyNah, too easy. So you do not actually think that people with different sexual preferences deserve equal rights, you're just trying to be an annoying fuck? Mate, you're good at it. Oh, and BTW, that's typical closet-fag-talk.
And, one more thing, do Islamites deserve equal rights, too?

They deserve equal rights, just like jews do. When one group attacks others without just cause ("My invisible magic giant told me you're evil and I have to kill you!" is NOT just cause.) then they must be resisted, and may even forfeit some of their rights thru agression or criminal action.

As is, conservative islam stands ready to declare war on the west, israel, freedom and liberty. If it chooses to launch a war of agression against us, we must do what we must to protect ourselves.

It doesn't take two to fight, it takes two to live in peace. If one sides wants a fight the other has to fight, or be crushed.

Hope that didn't make your head hurt too much...

Quote from: JimBobOz"I'm not prejudiced against homosexuals and women. Don't be such a whiny pussy fag."

I'm this close to nicking this quote for YotZ: Havens, putting it in the disclaimer at the start of the chapter on post-Rising sexual relationships

Quote from: Hastur T. FannonI'm this close to nicking this quote for YotZ: Havens, putting it in the disclaimer at the start of the chapter on post-Rising sexual relationships

You totally should.  It sums up exactly how this thread went horribly wrong in places.

Quote from: SunBoyNah, too easy. So you do not actually think that people with different sexual preferences deserve equal rights, you're just trying to be an annoying fuck?

Well, he did say "it's the right thing to do" which tends to indicate that he's not just doing it to be annoying. I'm sorry, but I have to say this one's a misinterpretation.

Quote from: SunBoyWhy? Is that not a word? Sorry. I'm spanish-speaker. But you know what I mean. I just hate that signature. At first, I took it as a joke, but seeing subsecuent posts I'm not so sure anymore.

No, hombre, se dice "Muslims".  Como "Musulmanes", no?

Quote from: jrientsYou totally should.  It sums up exactly how this thread went horribly wrong in places.

We're already going to get enough shit over this book.  The original YotZ was described as FATAL d20 and that was before we decided to discuss just how screwed up sexual relationships will be post-Rising

I'm quite looking forward to it, actually

Quote from: SunBoyWhy? Is that not a word? Sorry. I'm spanish-speaker. But you know what I mean. I just hate that signature. At first, I took it as a joke, but seeing subsecuent posts I'm not so sure anymore.

The word you were looking for in English is Muslim.

Islam is the religion, Muslim is the term for people who practice it.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Dominus NoxThey deserve equal rights, just like jews do. When one group attacks others without just cause ("My invisible magic giant told me you're evil and I have to kill you!" is NOT just cause.) then they must be resisted, and may even forfeit some of their rights thru agression or criminal action.

As is, conservative islam stands ready to declare war on the west, israel, freedom and liberty. If it chooses to launch a war of agression against us, we must do what we must to protect ourselves.

It doesn't take two to fight, it takes two to live in peace. If one sides wants a fight the other has to fight, or be crushed.

Hope that didn't make your head hurt too much...

Oh, a "war of agression" is it? Like when you invade a country to spread your ideology because some dudes in powdered wigs who died two-hundred years ago told you to? Right.

If we ever meet in person, I'll be happy to justify your fears in the worst ways imaginable. In the meantime, shut the fuck up.

Y'know, the thread has long since passed the point where this had much meaning but...


Every time I see the title of it I say to myself:


Am I unfreindly to women and homosexuals? Hell yeah, I'm unfreindly to everyone. I'm the worlds greatest Asshole, and if Dennis Leary hadn't beaten me too it, I'd write a fucking song about it.

I'm unfreindly to men, to women, to children, to fat people, to skinny people. I'm unfreindly to the religious true belivers, I'm unfreindly to the atheists, and the undecideds. I'm unfreindly to Right and the Left, and I hold a particular hatred for the Moderates, because those lazy shits won't get off their fucking ass and get the extremists...who are too fucking stupid to know better... out of fucking politics.  I hate fiction writers, and fiction fans. I hate TV pundits, and think the internet pundit has a pipe so far up his ass he can't see for the smoke pouring out his ears.

Meh.


Yer all food to me anyway. I'm off to game like a motherfucker.

Quote from: Dominus NoxThe first casualty of Islam and Political Correctness is free speech.

(http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/ghostworld-doug.jpg)
Doug: "Rock n' roll, baby: Freedom of speech."

God, that was a fucked up movie.

Yeah... that it was.

I've got pretty wide tastes but I've never EVER been able to get into that whole Harry Crumb school of comics.

Quote from: Dominus NoxThey deserve equal rights, just like jews do. When one group attacks others without just cause ("My invisible magic giant told me you're evil and I have to kill you!" is NOT just cause.) then they must be resisted, and may even forfeit some of their rights thru agression or criminal action.

As is, conservative islam stands ready to declare war on the west, israel, freedom and liberty. If it chooses to launch a war of agression against us, we must do what we must to protect ourselves.

It doesn't take two to fight, it takes two to live in peace. If one sides wants a fight the other has to fight, or be crushed.

Hope that didn't make your head hurt too much...

Please, PLEASE don't include me in your us. And beejazz totally beat me to the answer. You keep talking about conservatives, but you've got the most right-winged-militaristic discourse i've heard. Hey, didn't you stole it right from George W.? Oh, and my head is just fine. And just out of curiosity, are you planning to fight the war from your mum's basement, fatbeard?

And sorry about the word-mess up. As me have say, I speaked no good english. Thanks, Pundit and gracias, Doc.