Quote from: RPGPunditDude, ignoring the fact that EVERYONE on South Park uses "gay", the word is used all the time by other, non-bigoted people. You see it used on television constantly as something that is in no way meant to be a homophobic statement.

Repeat after me now:  Television is not real life.  Television is not real life.  

QuoteI don't agree; and I can't believe that you really believe this, that everyone who says "that's gay" is specifically saying "I hate and/or fear Homosexuals", anymore than anyone who says "that's retarded" is specifically saying "I hate the mentally handicapped".

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I'm not saying that's what they're saying either.

I'm saying there is a stigma attached to being gay in our culture.  That stigma is the reason the word is used as a derogative.  Because gay people are icky and unnatural.

It doesn't necessarily make you or anyone else a raging bigot just because you used the word.  But it does mean that it holds a negative attachment, and that you used it negatively as a result, and that further attaching additional negative meanings to the word only reinforces this effect.

Quote from: fonkaygarryIn high school I had a buddy named Brandon, whom everyone called Brando.  Brando was a pretty cool cat, but he called everyone at school "cracka".  Everyone except me and this one kid he always called "Spaghetti-O".  He was one of less than ten black kids in the entire school.

We'd be at lunch: "Hey Brando, what's up?"
"Nothin', cracka."
"Man, you gotta quit callin people that.  It ain't nice, dude." We'd all be laughing at this point.
"Shut up, cracka."

We came up with all sorts of Brando sayings like "What the cracka?" and so on.  Fun times.  God, I miss him sometimes.

Did you get to call him nigga?

Hey, being called a cracker or a cracka doesn't bother me. It just means my ancestors were so much more advanced culturally and technologically over other groups that they ended up cracking whips across their backs.

So it's like "My ancestors had ships that could sail the world while yours had dugout canoes. My ancestors had cannons and flintlocks while yours had spears. My ancestors had nations and empires while yours had tribes. My ancestors had cities while yours had huts. So my ancestors ended up cracking whips across your ancestors backs thru massive technological and cultural superiority, and I'm supposed to be offended by that? Don't hold your breath."

Quote from: Dominus NoxHey, being called a cracker or a cracka doesn't bother me. It just means my ancestors were so much more advanced culturally and technologically over other groups that they ended up cracking whips across their backs.

My ancestors invented chess. Does that make me smarter than you?

QuoteSo it's like "My ancestors had ships that could sail the world while yours had dugout canoes. My ancestors had cannons and flintlocks while yours had spears. My ancestors had nations and empires while yours had tribes. My ancestors had cities while yours had huts. So my ancestors ended up cracking whips across your ancestors backs thru massive technological and cultural superiority, and I'm supposed to be offended by that? Don't hold your breath."

Firstly, your ancestors borrowed just about all of the above from my ancestors. Or from farther East via my ancestors' trade routes. We had all that pre-crusades.

That said, getting there first or developing it yourself doesn't actually give you the advantage necessary to conquer, etc (whip-cracking, as you call it) as evidenced by the fact that said developments have fuck all to do with the setting in which they were developed (or are you about to tell me that the Middle East is still a golden, prosperous empire?).

In the case of colonialism, slavery, etc. the thing that led to victory was as much ruthlessness (sometimes disease, too) as it was technology.

In conclusion, you are proud of your ancestors for conquering? So you're proud of your ancestors for breaking contracts, spreading illness throughout the world, and slaughtering innocents? Douche.

Also, by the logic that conquering means superiority, you discredit your ancestors for having lost said control.

Dominus has got issues that most of us abandoned/resolved when we were 13 years old.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: J ArcaneRepeat after me now:  Television is not real life.  Television is not real life.  

You know, there's a lot of sound strategies you could use to win this argument.  Pretending that something's not true when it is, that's not the way to do it.
You know that in reality a huge section of mainstream society uses the term "gay" as in "that's gay" to mean "that's lame", without any conscious homophobia.

To try to argue that its something that only happens on TV is really a bad rhetorical move on your part.

QuoteIt doesn't necessarily make you or anyone else a raging bigot just because you used the word.  But it does mean that it holds a negative attachment, and that you used it negatively as a result, and that further attaching additional negative meanings to the word only reinforces this effect.

See now, that would be a better argumental tact to take.

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Quote from: David RDominus has got issues that most of us abandoned/resolved when we were 13 years old.

Regards,
David R

Word. And he's also an idiot.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditWord. And he's also an idiot.

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And an even bigger bigot than I thought, apparently.

Yawn.

Quote from: Dominus NoxYawn.

Dominus, given this, and the post you made in the Pundit's forum around the same time AND the lack of reading comprehension you showed in the 'Big purple love' thread...

I'd suggest getting a good night sleep.  You are obviously sleep deprived, and it's showing in your posts...

One dude I heard about in college would get drunk and scold his Chinese roommate for hoarding all the pandas.

They should be scolded. It's because of those guys that I can't gets me no sweet sweet panda lovin'.

Quote from: James McMurrayThey should be scolded. It's because of those guys that I can't gets me no sweet sweet panda lovin'.

No Ling Ling for you, pervo!:D

Quote from: James McMurrayDid you get to call him nigga?

  Don't even start dude.  A friend of mine was on-stage at a comedy club and he made this crack about how 40 years ago a black guy would have been upside down with a fork in his arse.  I said to him "You know... one of these days someone's going to say something like that and the media are going to go WILD!"

It was an honest question. Was it a situation where all racial slurs were allowed, and thereby had all their power negated, or was it one where the people who would typically be oppressed are allowed to do what they want as an apology for the oppression (whether it actually happened or not)? Or something in between.

I'm always fascinated by personal interactions, so I'd really love to know. It's not a judgement though. Unless the guy was offending people by calling them cracka his use of the word is meaningless. It didn't sound like anyone ws offended.