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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2006, 06:06:05 am »
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6.We realize that some gamers lack important social skills


Mate, I now this is old, but this is the first time I read it, and...
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2007, 10:01:17 pm »
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Since they themselves make claims not to be, I am more than happy to kick them to the curb, even though they don't actually have anything "innovative" about their design that makes them in any way different from traditional rpgs (other than the fact that railroading and bad GMing are built into the presumptions of how to run the game, and bizzarely seen as not just a good thing, but as producing "art").

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See, but thats the big problem I have with how its worded, and how you're going to be interpreting it.

You have a MASSIVE bias against White Wolf.  Like, more massive than anything any mod or admin on RPG.net had against D&D (which is quite a load of crap).  You're saying its "not mainstream" when its demonstratably IS.  Could you please pull some quote in a book, or a website, where White Wolf the corporate entity (and not some yob who doesn't work for them any more) claims their games are "not for the masses, and not mainstream"?

Your personal feelings on the game should mean nothing.  Your personal feelings about ANY game, as a moderator and admin, should mean nothing.

If ANY game is over-dominating, having too much duplication of thread topic and overlapping discussion, then thats a good time for merging.

I mean, if there are 20 legitemite threads on Exalted, all talking about different aspects of the game and different splats and the like, just because you don't like the game, why should it be singled out for excommunication?  Yet, from your posts, if there are 20 threads talking about the PHB2, those DON'T get merged/moderated?

"Mainstream" or not, you should be happy people are coming here to DISCUSS.  If you're not happy with a tone you percieve as "flooding" the boards, then thats one thing.  Shutting down discussion just because you have a massive hate-on for a certain game company is quite another.

That is, my friend, far more dictatorial than anything I've seen on RPG.net.  I mean, say what you will, but when it comes to GAMES, they don't actively shut down discussion of a particular game (beyond FATAL and RaHoWa, which I think we can both agree mostly deserve it) becasue they don't like it.  For all the "perceived" (and thats all it is) bias against D&D, mods don't shut down threads about it, or merge threads about it because its taking away precious front page space from the "darlings".
 

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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2007, 10:06:27 pm »
Hack, back down a bit, mate. Nobody has been closing, locking or really even merging threads at all as far as I've seen.

The pundit has been true to his word, not much moderation going on...
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2007, 10:11:56 pm »
The only thing better than getting pissed baout a post on a message board is getting pissed about an old and forgotten post on a message board.
You are posting in a troll thread.

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2007, 06:57:28 am »
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The only thing better than getting pissed baout a post on a message board is getting pissed about an old and forgotten post on a message board.

Who's pissed?  I just find it interesting.  When you join a message board, one of the things you do is check out how the board is going to be run.  Especially where Pundit has made such noise about this being the "Anti RPG.net", I was even more interested to see his ideas and philosophies on how this would be run.  Imagine my suprise when I come across a post basically saying he'll shut down discussion of games he doesn't like.

If thats not the reality, then thats cool.  But thats not how he presents its going to be in the stickied thread (hardly forgotten, as it stays at the top of the forum.  Its not like I dug through twenty back pages to find something to get upset about) that is basically the manifesto/mission statement of the board, which is where all new posters should go at first.

Inevitably, new posters are going to rehash old arguements about stuff like this, as they are new to the board.
 

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2007, 11:52:33 am »
Forgive me, I was uaware of your reightousness.
You are posting in a troll thread.

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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2007, 11:59:34 am »
I, for one, have always been far more interested in what people actually do, over what they suggest they will do.  It is a far greater indicator of where they stand, if you will.

For example: in this thread the Pundit both claimed a laize faire (damn the french for not knowing how to spell...) attitude AND an anti-swine game thread mentality. This was a matter of self contradiction, and it remained to be seen which attitude would prevail.

Obviously, after some three months or so, the former has proven the true, as we have a number of respected posters who vehemently disagree with the Pundit, and the ONLY mod action taken was so low key that the discussion of it took more notice before hand than the actual act itself.

I have yet to see a merged or buried thread.
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2007, 12:36:29 pm »
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For example: in this thread the Pundit both claimed a laize faire (damn the french for not knowing how to spell...)


It's "laissez-faire".

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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2007, 07:44:39 pm »
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It's "laissez-faire".


Only because the French don't know how to spell.

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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2007, 12:51:24 am »
I haven't merged any thread, nor have I closed any thread as a way to end discussion.

Nor was that the point of my "there won't be 50 pages of exalted" statement.  You'll note that the rest of the context of the statement involved saying that unlike other sites, there won't be specific "darling games" that get special treatment by the Admins here.  Its more a statement about what I and the other admins won't do than any kind of proactive statement of what we will do.

You can post threads about any game here; the only way they would be shut down is if someone came in and positively flooded the site with threads as a way to disturb the functioning of the site with intentional maliciousness.  Aside from a highly unusual scenario like that, I couldn't see myself shutting any threads down.  Instead, what you won't see here is threads, games, or people being given special protections and encouragement the way you do on other sites, where there is tacit or open manipulation of the site.

so please, if you want to post away about WW games, if that's your thing; or about Hackmaster for that matter.  

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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2007, 11:15:33 am »
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I, for one, have always been far more interested in what people actually do, over what they suggest they will do.  It is a far greater indicator of where they stand, if you will.

For example: in this thread the Pundit both claimed a laize faire (damn the french for not knowing how to spell...) attitude AND an anti-swine game thread mentality. This was a matter of self contradiction, and it remained to be seen which attitude would prevail.

Obviously, after some three months or so, the former has proven the true, as we have a number of respected posters who vehemently disagree with the Pundit, and the ONLY mod action taken was so low key that the discussion of it took more notice before hand than the actual act itself.

I have yet to see a merged or buried thread.


And that gets more respect from me than anything else as well.

I haven't been here for three months, and a thread like this is how I judge what a board will be like, and if I will continue to bother posting.

Its not a great manifesto, from that perspective, as prospective posters may feel put off by the tone.  Again, you only get one chance at a first impression.

I don't feel, then, it represents the reality of the board.  It gives the impression discussion will be stifled if its not from one of Pundit's "darlings" (and really, thats what it amounts to).  Thats not the case, or at least people claim it isn't.
 

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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2007, 11:20:29 am »
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Nor was that the point of my "there won't be 50 pages of exalted" statement.  You'll note that the rest of the context of the statement involved saying that unlike other sites, there won't be specific "darling games" that get special treatment by the Admins here.  Its more a statement about what I and the other admins won't do than any kind of proactive statement of what we will do.


Point out one instance of this actually being the case on RPG.net, as that is the site that is most often referenced as having a "darling" game.

I give you props for doing what you said you would do, judging by what I've seen the last few days, and what I've read from past discussions.

I don't agree with the vast majority of your opinions, but I respect the job you've been doing as an admin.  I don't think that aspect of the Constitution well represents what you are trying to do here.  I suggest you send it back for a second draft, and eliminate the "darlings" and "mainstream" comments.  As a mission statement, and one prospective posters would read as "this is what the site will be like" it sets the tone that anything non-d20 will be shut down and ignored.
 

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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2007, 11:52:25 am »
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I don't feel, then, it represents the reality of the board.  It gives the impression discussion will be stifled if its not from one of Pundit's "darlings" (and really, thats what it amounts to).  Thats not the case, or at least people claim it isn't.



How the hell, other than by someone with vast personal issues about me, does "there will be no darlings on theRPGsite" get translated into "I will kill all writing that isn't from my personal Darlings"?

I mean fuck, man, you'd best be getting to the chiropractor what with that chip on your shoulder being the size of a metric ton.

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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2007, 11:59:21 am »
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Point out one instance of this actually being the case on RPG.net, as that is the site that is most often referenced as having a "darling" game.

I give you props for doing what you said you would do, judging by what I've seen the last few days, and what I've read from past discussions.

I don't agree with the vast majority of your opinions, but I respect the job you've been doing as an admin.  I don't think that aspect of the Constitution well represents what you are trying to do here.  I suggest you send it back for a second draft, and eliminate the "darlings" and "mainstream" comments.  As a mission statement, and one prospective posters would read as "this is what the site will be like" it sets the tone that anything non-d20 will be shut down and ignored.



Really? Please tell me, which of the 6 points of the original constitution actually say anything that looks even vaguely similar to "anything non-d20 will be shut down and ignored"?
Would that be "speak your mind here without fear"?
Or perhaps "this doesn't mean that you can't talk about other games, electronic games off-topic posts, or even talk about non-mainstream RPGs"?

Or perhaps you're talking about what I said later, that wasn't in the constitution itself (which would make it kind of irrelevant anyways, but what the heck, let's see); stuff like "Note that this doesn't mean you can't discuss these games on here; nothing is verboten in this board".

Ahhh, perhaps there's the problem! Not speaking German, perhaps you didn't understand what the word "verboten" means, and mistook it for a wierd bavarian word meaning "I WILL BAN WHATEVAR ISNT TEH D20!!!1!1!!"?
Could that be it?

Please, show me exactly what specific part of the constitution or later discussion I should "send back for a second draft"? Or, you know, shut the fuck up. The options are wide open.

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2007, 03:12:26 pm »
Hey Hackmaster, let me translate for you:


1) Pundit hates RPG.Net darlings, Swine Games, Forge Games.

2) Pundit loves freedom of speech.

3) There is more love than hate in him

It´s all about priorities.

I suggest you get yourself some Voltaire to read, to understand how a person can hate somebodies opinion and would still be giving his life in order to defend mentioned person´s right to utter said opinion.
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