I should begin by noting that I appreciate the value of the "stick to topic or banned" rule and think in most cases it is usefully enforced. Having done a quick scan back through the thread in question, though, I think in SHARK's case his error is likely to have been only a sincere lapse in memory: the "do not post in this thread again" group warning about the brouhaha going on in the "TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies" thread was posted on May 9, nearly three months ago, and SHARK's offending post was made on July 24. It seems very likely to me that SHARK simply saw something that struck his curiosity in the thread and posted a question about it without remembering the threadban -- the fact that there is no permanent public infractions record at this side probably contributed to that.
As somebody who normally has a great deal of useful input on many RPG-related topics, and can usually be counted on to heed warnings (another point that makes me think his offense in this case was sheer forgetfulness), I think SHARK has generally contributed more value to this site than he has detracted. If there must be a ban to encourage people not to take warnings lightly or forget their own infractions, I think it could probably suffice to be temporary in this case and still make its point. I would like to request that SHARK be reconsidered for membership as soon as is felt appropriate.
SHARK is old and understandably forgetful about something which would have happened back in May. I hope you cut the old coot some slack.
The real problem is that SHARK has added many valuable threads and discussions to this board, and his signal to noise ratio is high, but he gets banned for something trivial. Trolls like Tudesock haven't contributed much of anything but disruption, but because they can skirt the line effectively, they remain. The policy is missing the forest for the trees...
I'm relatively new to this site, and I appreciate the way Pundit enforces the rules with (an admittedly harsh) integrity.
However I would say there are a lot of threads in the general Pen and Paper rpg sub forum which are basically complaining about woke culture. That's cool, but SHARK was one of the few thread creators in the last few months actually prompting discussion about rpg design and play.
The reason for the ban was clear and it's a good example of taking the rules seriously. But I would appeal to Pundit's sense of purpose for the forum in considering unbanning a valuable contributor.
While I usually disagree with SHARK when we talk about politics, his posts about RPGs are among the best on this site (interestingly enough, in his games SHARK does seem to explore ideas very far from his political leaning - even in Hearts of Iron IV he is playing the Russians!)
I checked that thread. The Pundit issued a threadban and a warning to a list of people who were posting off topic. Some of them immediately posted off topic again and were banned. No qualms about that. SHARK too posted after the warning but deleted both his posts at once (as the time stamps prove). Maybe he posted something before checking the thread, then he saw the warning and complied. Since The Pundit didn't ban him for this, I think that we can all agree that SHARK's actions proved his good faith.
Three months later he posted something extremely minor, basically a clarification. I can only agree that it was a memory lapse: it wasn't the kind of inflammatory OT that caused the warning, it happened three months after the warning and, as we saw, back then SHARK promptly complied.
I also kind of understand The Pundit's worrying (to be clear, only The Pundit knows what is in Pundit's head). Let's say that you establish "zero tolerance - out of ten". Then someone commits a level-one infraction. Everybody says "Come on! It was a minor infraction! Let's try to be flexible!" OK. But now you have a "one tolerance" policy, and this opens the door to "Come on, in was a two tolerance infraction! Let's try to be flexible!" And so on. When your policy is successfully debated once, it can be debated forever.
If SHARK is pardoned, what about Pat? And if this leads to Pat's pardon too, what about the next one in line? Where is, now, the cut off?
If this was my site, I would have said to SHARK: "Listen, it is clear that you fu**ed up in good faith, because you proved your good faith. PAY ATTENTION. Last warning." And, no, I never argued pro-Pat, and never will, as I agree with The Pundit in that case (and all the others). But this is not my site. I can only appellate to The Pundit's conscience regarding SHARK's specific case, while accepting what his final decision will be. His site, his rules.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on July 26, 2022, 01:47:43 AM
The real problem is that SHARK has added many valuable threads and discussions to this board, and his signal to noise ratio is high, but he gets banned for something trivial. Trolls like Tudesock haven't contributed much of anything but disruption, but because they can skirt the line effectively, they remain. The policy is missing the forest for the trees...
100% in lock step with this position. Every word.
SHARK actively creates topics about games. Perhaps more frequently than any other member. He also writes very thorough responses in those topics.
TBH, I think that one of the issues here is that, aside from rules enforcement being so inconsistent, there is no formal infractions system here or even notifications for moderation warnings or thread bans, other than a post at the thread, which is not a real notification and people can miss. So there's no way to keep track of which threads you've been banned from, other than your own memory and diligence in checking the thread for any prior warning posts before you post, in case any warning was issued, cuz you ain't getting a notification DM to let you know something is up before you post anywhere.
Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if The Comedian got banned from that same thread cuz he missed the warning post, then went off to do stuff in real life and didn't think to check the thread before he left, or couldn't because he was busy. There's been tons of times here and elsewhere when I've posted stuff before reading the whole thread and couldn't check the thread after cuz I was about to head out, or was at work and had stuff to do. That's a permaban waiting to happen if I didn't even know I had been banned from that thread, cuz all I got as a notification was a post I could have easily missed if I skipped a page or something.
Now one of the greatest posters in the boards is gone over an innocuous post in a thread where he had been banned almost three months ago and apparently didn't remember.
Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 25, 2022, 10:29:57 PM
I should begin by noting that I appreciate the value of the "stick to topic or banned" rule and think in most cases it is usefully enforced. Having done a quick scan back through the thread in question, though, I think in SHARK's case his error is likely to have been only a sincere lapse in memory: the "do not post in this thread again" group warning about the brouhaha going on in the "TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies" thread was posted on May 9, nearly three months ago, and SHARK's offending post was made on July 24. It seems very likely to me that SHARK simply saw something that struck his curiosity in the thread and posted a question about it without remembering the threadban -- the fact that there is no permanent public infractions record at this side probably contributed to that.
As somebody who normally has a great deal of useful input on many RPG-related topics, and can usually be counted on to heed warnings (another point that makes me think his offense in this case was sheer forgetfulness), I think SHARK has generally contributed more value to this site than he has detracted. If there must be a ban to encourage people not to take warnings lightly or forget their own infractions, I think it could probably suffice to be temporary in this case and still make its point. I would like to request that SHARK be reconsidered for membership as soon as is felt appropriate.
I agree completely with this.
Given that my post was the catalyst for SHARK's banning and I'm also threadbanned from that thread now, I realize that sounds kind of self-serving, But honestly, I'd gladly eat the ban instead of SHARK. He's contributed to this forum way more than I have.
Quote from: Reckall
I also kind of understand The Pundit's worrying (to be clear, only The Pundit knows what is in Pundit's head). Let's say that you establish "zero tolerance - out of ten". Then someone commits a level-one infraction. Everybody says "Come on! It was a minor infraction! Let's try to be flexible!" OK. But now you have a "one tolerance" policy, and this opens the door to "Come on, in was a two tolerance infraction! Let's try to be flexible!" And so on. When your policy is successfully debated once, it can be debated forever.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
I hadn't put SHARK on my Ignore List so there must be something good about him.
Banning SHARK is absolutely too harsh. I understand that the SJW culture war bleeds into tabletop rpg discussion, and it can be extremely annoying......often causing people to go off-topic. So the off-topic discussion that slips in can be quite irritating.
But SHARK has been posting here for 16 years. :o
That is a very long time. And now he's being banned for some innocuous statement he just made that violated a topic ban from months ago, that he probably honestly forgot about. People forget stuff. It happens. Is there even an official infractions system on this site? Did he receive a private warning from a moderator? If not, I'll bet you that he forgot about a thread ban from months ago. That's an honest mistake.
Meanwhile, SHARK has usually been a legitimately good poster, and he's been here since nearly the very formation of this site. That represents loyalty. It's a horrible idea to drive away loyal and consistently good posters from the site.
Let SHARK back, and insist that he apologizes. If you let him return, Pundit, he'll get the message. He won't post in there again. As the saying goes, to forgive is divine. :'(
SHARK's posts are among the best posts on this forum. He brings great value to this place while the douchebag trolls who remain do not.
You let Tubesnake run wild and ban SHARK.
*slow clap*
Another voice saying, "Unban SHARK!"
Pundit, I just realized that you mass thread-banned 9 posters simultaneously a couple months ago in the "Woke Companies" thread, and SHARK was one of them. Is it possible that he missed the warning post you made, or only skimmed it....and didn't actually see his name in it? And that's assuming he didn't just forget. There are times when I forget that I posted in a thread. Also, there were a lot of posters bundled up in that warning you gave (months ago), and that thread's been running for nearly a full year. Speaking for myself, I could make a mistake like that. :-[
https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/list-ttrpg-guide-to-woke-companies/msg1215928/#msg1215928
Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 26, 2022, 09:20:15 PM
Pundit, I just realized that you mass thread-banned 9 posters simultaneously a couple months ago in the "Woke Companies" thread, and SHARK was one of them. Is it possible that he missed the warning post you made, or only skimmed it....and didn't actually see his name in it?
No, if you scan a little down from the group warning post in May, you can see that SHARK immediately deleted a couple of posts he'd made after the warning, so I think he did see the warning at the time and responded properly to it. I believe he simply forgot that he had been threadbanned when he posted to ask a question in July about something he'd read a few posts earlier, which makes equal sense to me given that the threadban was made nearly three months ago.
I understand the use of the "no drifting into political topics" ban to discourage willful violations, but it seems to me that there should be at least a little flexibility to account for unintentional ones -- a temporary (two weeks?) rather than permanent ban, perhaps. As others have noted, it seems a shame to permanently deprive the boards of a valuable contributor because of a moment's lapse in attention -- the rules are made for the community, not the community for the rules, to paraphrase Jesus's words about the Law.
Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 26, 2022, 09:37:19 PM
Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb on July 26, 2022, 09:20:15 PM
Pundit, I just realized that you mass thread-banned 9 posters simultaneously a couple months ago in the "Woke Companies" thread, and SHARK was one of them. Is it possible that he missed the warning post you made, or only skimmed it....and didn't actually see his name in it?
No, if you scan a little down from the group warning post in May, you can see that SHARK immediately deleted a couple of posts he'd made after the warning, so I think he did see the warning at the time and responded properly to it. I believe he simply forgot that he had been threadbanned when he posted to ask a question in July about something he'd read a few posts earlier, which makes equal sense to me given that the threadban was made nearly three months ago.
I understand the use of the "no drifting into political topics" ban to discourage willful violations, but it seems to me that there should be at least a little flexibility to account for unintentional ones -- a temporary (two weeks?) rather than permanent ban, perhaps. As others have noted, it seems a shame to permanently deprive the boards of a valuable contributor because of a moment's lapse in attention -- the rules are made for the community, not the community for the rules, to paraphrase Jesus's words about the Law.
You're probably right then. He probably just forgot.
Fuck Shark! He's a dork! :)
Please unban him and Pat.
Better yet, fuck banning altogether.
We're already considered the most horrific Mos Eisley gaming forum on the interwebs so we might as well embrace radical free speech. Let's go full nutbag moshpit.
Treat the forum like a rowdy neighborhood bar. Let everybody shoot off their dumb mouths and if nobody likes them, they will get dogpiled until they leave. Or not.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on July 26, 2022, 09:13:54 AM
Quote from: Reckall
I also kind of understand The Pundit's worrying (to be clear, only The Pundit knows what is in Pundit's head). Let's say that you establish "zero tolerance - out of ten". Then someone commits a level-one infraction. Everybody says "Come on! It was a minor infraction! Let's try to be flexible!" OK. But now you have a "one tolerance" policy, and this opens the door to "Come on, in was a two tolerance infraction! Let's try to be flexible!" And so on. When your policy is successfully debated once, it can be debated forever.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
No s**t, Sherlock. I could even point out how "A jump into an empty pool is the harbinger of broken bones".
The point, here, is not "consistency" but "is consistency foolish in this specific case?" Because if you think it is, just say so. A circular argument says nothing.
Quote from: Spinachcat on July 26, 2022, 11:18:48 PMBetter yet, fuck banning altogether.
We're already considered the most horrific Mos Eisley gaming forum on the interwebs so we might as well embrace radical free speech. Let's go full nutbag moshpit.
Treat the forum like a rowdy neighborhood bar. Let everybody shoot off their dumb mouths and if nobody likes them, they will get dogpiled until they leave. Or not.
TBH, I think this is a separate issue altogether that likely detracts from this topic, cuz the issue here is that even if banning is deemed necessary by the admin, banning SHARK in this instance is heavy handed and absurd. Even to the degree that it might be argued that he broke a rule or ignored a thread ban, that act was facilitated by the fact that this site uses zero mechanicisms to enforce or even inform users of a thread ban other than a post in the thread. And relies entirely on the user noticing the warning post in the first place, then remembering that they got banned from a thread that may go on indefinitely and following the honor system.
And to top it off there's no degrees of infractions and a "ban" usually means an outright ban (permanent), rather than a suspension, even for silly innocuous stuff that happened to have ticked off Pundit that day. It's basically walking on eggshells. Even TBP initially bans people for like a week of something.
Rule moderation is clearly broken on this site and lacks mechanisms to ensure that users will not post in a thread again if they've been banned from it. So permabanning a user for posting in an old thread they forgot they got banned from is too much.
Shark was a net positive here. He was bombastic and opinionated, and often couldn't help himself, but he created a lot of interesting threads that centered on gaming. He should be unbanned.
Also the policy of warning then permanent ban should be reconsidered. Something like warning, 1-month ban, perma-ban would be better to retain generally constructive posters.
Yeah, it's not hard to stay on topic, but what is the utility of a 200+ page thread anyway? These things should be archived and refreshed once in a while. "List: TTRPG Guide to Woke Companies" isn't even an accurate title any more given what the List has become. What is the topic here? Woke companies, the List itself, what people think the List should be, or what?
Quote from: VisionStorm on July 27, 2022, 09:50:48 AM
Even to the degree that it might be argued that he broke a rule or ignored a thread ban, that act was facilitated by the fact that this site uses zero mechanicisms to enforce or even inform users of a thread ban other than a post in the thread. And relies entirely on the user noticing the warning post in the first place, then remembering that they got banned from a thread that may go on indefinitely and following the honor system.
I never noticed the warning post to several users in that thread until it was linked to on this thread.
If it would have included myself for some reason, I certainly would have been banned as I've posted in the thread since then.
I suppose it might be helpful to also send a personal message to a poster who crosses the line .
Shark didn't just do a post in the "Woke Companies list" thread (a thread I'm ESPECIALLY concerned about, because I know that leftists want to sabotage it with off-topic drivel so as to reduce the importance of the list itself, it's probably the most famous rpgsite thread in years) after being thread-banned.
He was thread-banned for OFF TOPIC Posting and then goes, on the woke companies list thread, and asks for more information about mommy porn.
To be clear, there is NO EXCUSE whatsoever for off-topic posting of any kind in the main RPG forum. If you want to post off topic, you can try to start a thread on my RPGPundit's subforum, and if I let you, great. If not, go to fucking 4chan
"It is really big news right now" is not an excuse
"someone else started it" is not an excuse
"this is a leftist and I have to counter his lies" is not an excuse (if you see a leftist posting off topic on an RPG forum thread, report it; but please don't report them just for being leftists, that will not do anything)
Now, had Shark done a normal post, I might have been willing to let it slide with a second warning. But no, he went BACK on the one thread I care most about protecting, and decided he had to as for more information about Mommy Porn.
There is absolutely no question that he needed to be banned for that.
Claims that "he's old", and "he probably forgot" is not really a good argument for bringing him back, because it's just saying he's likely to do it again. The argument I need to hear is that HE WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT DO IT EVER AGAIN, and I need to feel convinced of that. It's not impossible to not do it again (you just have to NOT WRITE ABOUT SOMETHING OFF TOPIC to RPGs), and yet there are people who are so obsessed with veering off topic or with diverging into political fights that they can't seem to help themselves, it's like a disease.
Quote from: DocJones on July 27, 2022, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: VisionStorm on July 27, 2022, 09:50:48 AM
Even to the degree that it might be argued that he broke a rule or ignored a thread ban, that act was facilitated by the fact that this site uses zero mechanicisms to enforce or even inform users of a thread ban other than a post in the thread. And relies entirely on the user noticing the warning post in the first place, then remembering that they got banned from a thread that may go on indefinitely and following the honor system.
I never noticed the warning post to several users in that thread until it was linked to on this thread.
If it would have included myself for some reason, I certainly would have been banned as I've posted in the thread since then.
I suppose it might be helpful to also send a personal message to a poster who crosses the line .
Were you reading that thread before now?
Because it seemed pretty clear to anyone who was reading it. I didn't mince words.
Maybe I need to start using colored text??
Quote from: RPGPundit on July 27, 2022, 05:41:59 PM
He was thread-banned for OFF TOPIC Posting and then goes, on the woke companies list thread, and asks for more information about mommy porn.
If SHARK had asked for links to representative samples, or started gleefully discussing it in detail, I think nobody would disagree that that would have been a banning offense. But the request was simply to ask what it was, in the manner in which one would ask for clarification on any unfamiliar term one stumbles across. (I myself didn't know exactly what it referred to, and might well have asked the same question if I'd been participating more actively in that thread.)
If simply asking for clarification on unfamiliar terms constitutes "off topic" should the term happen to be sufficiently loaded, to the degree that it is permanently costing us one of our best posters for a single moment's slipup -- a slipup which is obviously neither a knowing violation nor a deliberate attempt to poison the board or the discussion -- I think that is a counterproductive level of strictness.
QuoteClaims that "he's old", and "he probably forgot" is not really a good argument for bringing him back, because it's just saying he's likely to do it again. The argument I need to hear is that HE WILL ABSOLUTELY NOT DO IT EVER AGAIN, and I need to feel convinced of that.
It took him sixteen years to make this kind of mistake once. If it takes him another sixteen years to repeat it, I think that is probably close enough to "never again" for horseshoes, grenades, and thermonuclear war, as the joke goes.
Keeping politics out of the forums is a good policy, and I think most long-term posters accept the spirit and purpose of that rule. It's another thing entirely to enforce the letter of that rule with such zero-tolerance strictness that a moment's carelessness earns a permanent ban -- especially when it's for one of the best and most valuable contributors to the site. Part of the reason this entire community exists in the first place is as a counter to the arbitrariness with which most other forums nowadays ban posters; if there is no mechanism to distinguish between accidental and deliberate rules violations, no ability to customize penalty appropriately to the degree of offense, and no room for context, common sense and personal history to make any difference to policy adjudication, I honestly think that this will only wind up damaging the community rather than protecting it.
Thank you for your patience, and I appreciate you hearing me out.
So what about a cool down ban of like 1 week or even 1 month? What's the rationale on 0 to 100?
The "he'll do it again" argument doesn't hold water if this is his first ban after posting here 16 years. My gods, 16 years and one slip up and gone? How is that fair?
I get that you want to protect that thread, but there has to be a common sense middle ground.
Quote from: rytrasmi on July 27, 2022, 09:32:34 PM
So what about a cool down ban of like 1 week or even 1 month? What's the rationale on 0 to 100?
The "he'll do it again" argument doesn't hold water if this is his first ban after posting here 16 years. My gods, 16 years and one slip up and gone? How is that fair?
I get that you want to protect that thread, but there has to be a common sense middle ground.
I get that. And from here on in I'll consider temp-banning long term members who do an off-topic posting offense. But with Pat and Shark I'll need to hear from them before they get unbanned. Both were aggravated by repeatedly ignoring countless warnings over the years, and specific warnings to them.
Quote from: RPGPundit on July 28, 2022, 02:58:01 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on July 27, 2022, 09:32:34 PM
So what about a cool down ban of like 1 week or even 1 month? What's the rationale on 0 to 100?
The "he'll do it again" argument doesn't hold water if this is his first ban after posting here 16 years. My gods, 16 years and one slip up and gone? How is that fair?
I get that you want to protect that thread, but there has to be a common sense middle ground.
I get that. And from here on in I'll consider temp-banning long term members who do an off-topic posting offense. But with Pat and Shark I'll need to hear from them before they get unbanned. Both were aggravated by repeatedly ignoring countless warnings over the years, and specific warnings to them.
Since, for what they know, their participation to this forum is over, they need to know that they can contact you, and how.
I don't have other ways to reach them outside this forum. If someone can, then they should be advised that they can talk to you. Also, can SHARK and Pat PM you even if they are banned? If not, what is the best way for them to contact you?
Quote from: RPGPundit on July 27, 2022, 05:41:59 PMTo be clear, there is NO EXCUSE whatsoever for off-topic posting of any kind in the main RPG forum.
Dude, absolutely everyone here and every forum I've ever been to--with the possible exception of technical forums (where people only go to ask for help with technical problems)--makes off-topic posts from time to time. You yourself even posted a clip of Bill Blurr at the Steven Jackson thread saying "Bill Burr's view on the topic is similar to my own.", which was not only off-topic, but also political. I refrained from replying cuz any comment I made related to it would've been political as well.
We could probably pick any three threads at random off any page on this site and find loads of off-topic posts. Off-topic posts are commonplace.
Quote from: RPGPundit on July 28, 2022, 02:58:01 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on July 27, 2022, 09:32:34 PM
So what about a cool down ban of like 1 week or even 1 month? What's the rationale on 0 to 100?
The "he'll do it again" argument doesn't hold water if this is his first ban after posting here 16 years. My gods, 16 years and one slip up and gone? How is that fair?
I get that you want to protect that thread, but there has to be a common sense middle ground.
I get that. And from here on in I'll consider temp-banning long term members who do an off-topic posting offense. But with Pat and Shark I'll need to hear from them before they get unbanned. Both were aggravated by repeatedly ignoring countless warnings over the years, and specific warnings to them.
That seems reasonable. If they want to come back, they'll have to take a step in that direction.
Quote from: Reckall on July 28, 2022, 04:04:21 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on July 28, 2022, 02:58:01 AM
Quote from: rytrasmi on July 27, 2022, 09:32:34 PM
So what about a cool down ban of like 1 week or even 1 month? What's the rationale on 0 to 100?
The "he'll do it again" argument doesn't hold water if this is his first ban after posting here 16 years. My gods, 16 years and one slip up and gone? How is that fair?
I get that you want to protect that thread, but there has to be a common sense middle ground.
I get that. And from here on in I'll consider temp-banning long term members who do an off-topic posting offense. But with Pat and Shark I'll need to hear from them before they get unbanned. Both were aggravated by repeatedly ignoring countless warnings over the years, and specific warnings to them.
Since, for what they know, their participation to this forum is over, they need to know that they can contact you, and how.
I don't have other ways to reach them outside this forum. If someone can, then they should be advised that they can talk to you. Also, can SHARK and Pat PM you even if they are banned? If not, what is the best way for them to contact you?
Well, for example, Shark just sent an apology letter to Spinachat, and he sent it to me via the "contact" tab on theRPGsite.
Quote from: VisionStorm on July 28, 2022, 10:06:09 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on July 27, 2022, 05:41:59 PMTo be clear, there is NO EXCUSE whatsoever for off-topic posting of any kind in the main RPG forum.
Dude, absolutely everyone here and every forum I've ever been to--with the possible exception of technical forums (where people only go to ask for help with technical problems)--makes off-topic posts from time to time. You yourself even posted a clip of Bill Blurr at the Steven Jackson thread saying "Bill Burr's view on the topic is similar to my own.", which was not only off-topic, but also political. I refrained from replying cuz any comment I made related to it would've been political as well.
We could probably pick any three threads at random off any page on this site and find loads of off-topic posts. Off-topic posts are commonplace.
Not every forum has people intentionally trying to derail threads by moving them in off-topic directions.
The thread you're talking about was a thread on the subject of Abortion.
But yes, some off-topic posts will naturally happen. The problem is when two or more people jump into a massive debate about something utterly off-topic, or when a brigade of people get on the bandwagon of posting some off-topic thing (a meme, a joke, talking about weightlifting, whatever) either out of idiocy or to intentionally hijack the thread.
The Woke Gaming Companies thread is especially important, and it is also especially vulnerable because the leftists HATE it and want to try to render it useless. I will NOT have people doing off topic posting there in particular. I am generally not going around looking for off-topic posts to ban people with, but on that thread I'm way more vigilant because I know there's tons of people whose goal it is to make that thread useless.
Greetings!
Thank you, everyone here, for your encouragement, appreciation, and regards for me. I am humbled by your praise.
I confess, that I am quite moved and surprised. I am also grateful. Such loyalty, sincerity, and generosity is remembered by myself, and deeply appreciated.
It is indeed good to be back here. I have missed you all my friends!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK