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Question for those who know more about computers than me

Started by RPGPundit, March 04, 2007, 10:03:07 AM

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Anthrobot

#15
March 06, 2007, 03:03:50 AM
Quote from: RPGPunditGenerally speaking, I agree with Jimbob. I'd like for Anthro to get a chance to have his say, but I'd really like to see him fess up and then we get this behind us. Its not like I'm going to ban him or anything, but we can't have sockpuppets.

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I confess, I'm Spartacus!;)

But not Johnny.....Windbag?....WINDBAG AM I?:mad:
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So atheists have been abused, treated badly by clergy or they\'re stupid.They\'re just being trendy because they can\'t understand The God Delusion because they don\'t have the education, plus they\'re just pretending to be atheists anyway. Pundit you\'re the one with a problem, terminal stupidity.

Johnny

#16
March 06, 2007, 03:05:32 AM
Quote from: RPGPunditIts not like I'm going to ban him or anything, but we can't have sockpuppets.

RPGPundit

Will you ban me then?

Johnny

#17
March 06, 2007, 03:06:33 AM
Quote from: AnthrobotI confess, I'm Spartacus!;)

But not Johnny.....Windbag?....WINDBAG AM I?:mad:



No. I'm Spartacus. You're a wind bag!:D

lev_lafayette

#18
March 06, 2007, 08:27:21 AM
Quote from: RPGPunditIf two different accounts have the exact same IP address, that means that they're the same computer, right?

Not necessarily. An IP address identifies a computer on a network. When you are referring to a "network of networks", such as the Internet, ISP proxy servers, dynamic IPs and various other intermediary agents can either hide or share IP addresses. As a trivial example I run about fifteen different mail and web servers from the same IP address for totally different organisations.

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#19
March 06, 2007, 03:17:30 PM
Would it help if I posted the IP?

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#21
March 06, 2007, 03:56:59 PM
Ok, the IP in question is listed as belonging to the "RIPE Network Coordination Centre".  Anthrobot has used other IPs, which also belonged to that Network.  The network itself is listed as being in the Netherlands, even though both Anthrobot and Johnny use "yahoo.co.uk" email addresses in their registration.

So what does that mean?

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The Good Assyrian

#22
March 06, 2007, 04:05:30 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditOk, the IP in question is listed as belonging to the "RIPE Network Coordination Centre".  Anthrobot has used other IPs, which also belonged to that Network.  The network itself is listed as being in the Netherlands, even though both Anthrobot and Johnny use "yahoo.co.uk" email addresses in their registration.

So what does that mean?

RPGPundit

It looks like it is the Regional Internet Registry authority for Europe, the Middle East, and Central Asia.  Basically, they dole out IP addresses in that region.

http://www.ripe.net/info/ncc/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIPE_NCC

I don't know why that specific IP address would be used in this case, unless the person is question is an employee.  IP addresses can be a mysterious thing.


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Blackleaf

#23
March 06, 2007, 07:37:27 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditOk, the IP in question is listed as belonging to the "RIPE Network Coordination Centre".  Anthrobot has used other IPs, which also belonged to that Network.  The network itself is listed as being in the Netherlands, even though both Anthrobot and Johnny use "yahoo.co.uk" email addresses in their registration.

So what does that mean?

It means the IP doesn't belong to a source that would explain multiple users having the same IP address (an anonymizing service for example).

It's also worth pointing out that if Johnny and Anthrobot were seperate people they would have provided you with some evidence of that by this point.

You need to consider whether you want to allow sockpuppet accounts on the site, whether you want to allow them until people abuse them, or if the site has a no sockpuppet policy.  It's your site, and your choice.

Socks McPuppet

#24
March 06, 2007, 08:27:07 PM
What proof can they supply? It's possible they're different people and possible they're the same, but how do you prove it? I can't think of anything that could be supplied on the internet that couldn't be created by one person trying to pretend to be two.

If it's a sockpuppet whose only purpose is to prop up Anthrobot's dubious opinions then by all means it should be banned, and if another is created he should be banned. The problem is in proving it.

Blackleaf

#25
March 06, 2007, 08:40:28 PM
Quote from: Who knows...and if another is created he should be banned

Sounds like a lot of work.  This mod would make things easier for the admin staff: Prevent Multiple Registrations From Same IP Address

The Good Assyrian

#26
March 06, 2007, 08:58:48 PM
Quote from: StuartSounds like a lot of work.  This mod would make things easier for the admin staff: Prevent Multiple Registrations From Same IP Address

There are some serious limitations to this approach.  Two I can think of off hand are that it would prevent users who legitimately share an IP to register.  The second is that many users would be getting different IPs on a regular basis, so this doesn't solve the problem as even technically unskilled users may just have to wait a few days to create a duplicate account.

Listen, this just sounds like this crusade against sock puppets is going to generate a lot of work for the admin staff and set them up to look foolish by encouraging a running skirmish of the sort we are already seeing with "Socks McPuppet".  If I was in their position I wouldn't go down that road.


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Socks McPuppet

#27
March 06, 2007, 09:02:53 PM
Running skirmish? I'm guessing you didn't figure out who I am, or totally misinterpreted the nature of my post. :)

RPGPundit

#28
March 06, 2007, 09:09:17 PM
Ok, that's it. Thank you, James, for highliting PRECISELY why I can't allow sockpuppets on here.

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