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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2009, 01:11:52 PM »
Oh, one more thing in the light of what OHT just said:

Issue?  Why make it an issue?  Fuck issues, man, I wanna see what folks hafta say about gaming and stuff and share some stuff about gaming and stuff when I have something good or interesting to share.

Only issues I care about are magazines.  

EDIT TO CLARIFY: This wasn't aimed at OHT, it's aimed at the whole notion of making a big deal out of this shit.

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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2009, 01:16:31 PM »
Quote from: James J Skach;301913

You see, I just went back and read through every one of those threads - the two major ones being the Recruitment thread and the Cool Message Boards thread.

You'll note, that there were many attempts to clarify that The RPG Haven was not simply a reaction to this place.


Yes, you guys say that over and over and over again. The lady doth protest too much. You can say it till you're blue in the face but when even your earliest threads are essentially talking about how you want your site to fix things you disliked about theRPGsite (mainly, that I was in charge of it), it really doesn't matter how many times you try to claim you're not reacting.

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The only time it became an issue, you'll note, is when threads that were obviously sourced over there started showing up here


Bullshit. As my reply to the Doc points out, you guys were all about reacting from day fucking ONE.

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But, you see, that's exactly what he wanted. He feels threatened.


Threatened? No. This is pest control. I'm playing you like a fucking violin, Skach.

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So, you see, The RPG Haven was not created in spite of or as a reaction to this place in the way the Pundy tries to imply.


Bullshit.

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Nobody who started the RPG Haven wants to see this place empty. Some disenchanted members here have decided to move on and The RPG Haven was a choice - but you'll note why those people moved on and you'll see it's on Pundy, not us.


Again, bullshit. You want to have theRPGsite, but without me. Note the "recruitment" thread where you guys gleefully celebrate when you imagine that this place is getting empty or that I'm "getting desperate".

No, you guys made this a reaction-site, and that's what I'm leaving you with. And you're becoming more that way every single day.

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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2009, 01:17:25 PM »
Quote from: One Horse Town;301910

Dunno. It can be seen that way - especially if that is your way of looking at things. For example, it was suggested that 'sensible' (the less charitable could read that as 'people i like') people be contacted.

I cannot speak for other people but for myself, I mean avoiding, say, Cavscout or Jackalope or pock known trolls. So, if you think those guys are "sensible" then we hold different definitions.  

Also, to be clear, this is all in the contacted arena. There is no barrier to registering (other than standard spam counters) so, it is not some exclusive club. The idea was to contact folks who have a similar base of wanting to discuss games with less drama. I contacted folks on here, RPG.Net and Enworld, the three boards I most frequent.
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Hell, i suggested it myself in a moment when i was angry at Pundit for being hung out to dry over the CavScout incident. I also suggested that if you insist on being a reaction to here, it would come back to haunt you.

As have I. However, some folks are pissed and that comes through. I still maintain, we are not a reaction to this place. However, this is not to say what other members' agenda is. As one of the founders, mine is just to have a place to discuss RPGs in general. I find I cannot do that here. This is the same thing that happened with RPG.Net. I found I could not (for different reasons) post about the games I wanted in the manner I wished there and so I went to Squirrelnutkinland. So, I guess if you really want to stretch it you could say my path wandered through this site for a while.
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It has become more clear to me over the weeks that is essentially what the RPGhaven is at this moment in time (no reason why it can't change), many comments have suggested this over multiple threads. I agree with Pundit on that score - and also have no beef with folk wanting to do it and actually doing it. It's a free fucking country and should make no difference to anyone what folk chose to do.

Actually, I would say, yes, a lot of the membership is interested in a place where you can talk about any RPG. And yes, a lot of them see it as a reaction to this site. However, the site was not founded as a reaction to this site. And as you said, I imagine, should we be successful, the site will evolve and people will leave hard feelings behind. Heck, I still post here from time to time and expect to continue to do so in the future.
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Sadly, i no longer think that the haven is for me. I can do without the drama.

Well, sorry to hear that Dan. I do not see the drama you do on the Haven. Apparently, one man's drama is another man's reasoned debate.
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See, i'm so internet battle-weary that this just came across as needlessly passive-agressive. I already stated this and you appel my name to it as though i didn't include myself in my original statement.

And that is sad Dan. I was merely agreeing with you. Consider why you are internet battle weary. Consider where yu fight you most fervent and fruitless battles.
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I'm weary of the internet in general, so maybe i'm just jaded...

Take a break man. Sometimes it helps.

I do apologize if you took may agreement with your very important point to be sarcasm or a jibe. I assure you it was not intended as such, merely as an outstretched hand to a poster a respect and agree with.
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2009, 01:22:39 PM »
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People seem to care what I think, so I'll tell you what I think about this.  Free speech and all of that.

I think having two boards to read is good for me.  The more, the merrier.

I think that whether or not The Haven was set up as a 'reaction' to The Site doesn't matter.  If it was (which I don't believe), whatever.  If not, whatever.

I think that The RPG Pundit is fucking nuts.  Seriously.  Like, Howard Hughes-grade jacked-up in the brains Kleenex-boxes-on-the-feet wahoo.  He's paranoid, he's boastful, he's a fucking sideshow.  Oh, that reminds me:

I think The RPG Pundit isn't a real guy.  I think he's an act; a role.  An experiment, maybe one taken so far as to...well...be annoying, frankly.  I mean, stand for what you stand and say your piece, but hammering, hammering, hammering...?  Ugh.

I think that The Pundit's act of transplanting thread topics, whatever its true or claimed intent, came across as laughable, childish and pathetic.  I didn't say much about it (very little, in fact) because I thought that things would right themselves without me.  It didn't hurt or offend me, my family or my friends, so I let it go.  

I think that this whole hobby is already pretty goofy-assed to begin with, without these inter-forum brouhahas and petty arguments and "Swine Wars" and other such bullshit.  Don't get me wrong -- I love this goofy-assed hobby like you wouldn't motherfucking believe, but I love it because it is so gleefully goofy-assed.  Not 'silly' or 'laughable' or 'lesser' to anything.  Look, we're playing pretend.  It's fun and it's social and it's something to share and enjoy and it's harmless and it's inspirational and it's educational and it's a pure goddamn delight.  This is a swell hobby to have and enjoy, my friend.  Still and all -- what's that quote about "My way of pretending to be a gay-ass elf", again?  Who said that?  I keep forgetting who said that.  Somebody tell me who said that so I can give him or her a medal.

I think the new Burger King Star Trek glasses are cool, and I already drank out of my Uhura one.  Hell, I even drank Pepsi out of it, and I really prefer Coke for some damn reason.

I think that I am done expressing my thoughts on this.


Really? That's it? No groovy-hipster-Rotwang-above-it-all thoughts about whether its cool or not in the Doc-o-meter for one of the two founders of the other site in question to be threatening to violate my privacy on his site?

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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2009, 01:27:39 PM »
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Yes, you guys say that over and over and over again. The lady doth protest too much. You can say it till you're blue in the face but when even your earliest threads are essentially talking about how you want your site to fix things you disliked about theRPGsite (mainly, that I was in charge of it), it really doesn't matter how many times you try to claim you're not reacting.

Essentially, you've built an argument in your head that means anything we say or do is a reaction to you. Here's a hint: the world doesn't revolve around you. Extra Credit: Not even the RPG world revolves around you. Extra Extra Credit: Not even the world of Forums about the World of RPG's revolves around you.

No, The RPG Haven is building up nicely to be exactly what we wanted. A place to discuss RPG's. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. That part of the reason we built The RPG Haven was that we couldn't find that anywhere else that satisfied us, and that we both posted here, does not mean it's a reaction to you. Hell, for me, it was as much of a reaction to how poorly I did with d20 Haven as anything else. I say that both at The RPG Haven and at d20 Haven.

But that just gets in the way of your paranoid fantasies.

Oh - and btw - I didn't threaten to reveal your name. I chastised others for making oblique references to it. Sure, I did it in a way that makes fun of you, but that's just me making fun of you.

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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2009, 01:29:21 PM »
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Oh, one more thing in the light of what OHT just said:

Issue?  Why make it an issue?  Fuck issues, man, I wanna see what folks hafta say about gaming and stuff and share some stuff about gaming and stuff when I have something good or interesting to share.

Only issues I care about are magazines.  

EDIT TO CLARIFY: This wasn't aimed at OHT, it's aimed at the whole notion of making a big deal out of this shit.

You know I mean it when I start the potty-talk!


It's an issue to me when there are cross-forum dramas involving a site where i am a moderator.

Let me lay my cards on the table as we're all fucking doing it for the peanut gallery.

I like this place, but it drives me nuts sometimes. I try pretty hard to start interesting threads that might provoke positive contributions but it's always the negative ones that generate the interest. Seems like few folk are interested in any sort of creation that might benifit users, but love the freedom to call each other cunts.

I think Pundit is an insecure individual, however, i agree with enough of his views about gaming that he doesn't repulse or annoy me too much. His views on 'swine' do annoy me, as i've been pretty vocal in my views that i blame the authors of games that promote fucked up play rather than those who play them.

On myself. I am too active on the boards for a moderator. In recent weeks it has become obvious to me that anything i say can be construed as 'official' by people used to other moderation policies, when all i'm really doing is engaging in the same sort of shit-talking i did when i was not a mod. I can be short-tempered, cranky and petty and too fast to type these things out. I also like to think that i can be reasonable wherever i happen to be posting and hope that my failed attempts at getting some creative thinking going on these boards have at least benifitted someone. I have twelve ideas a day that sometimes make it onto the boards and i sometimes get some good feedback - when folk aren't engaged in the argument de jour.

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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2009, 01:30:15 PM »
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Really? That's it? No groovy-hipster-Rotwang-above-it-all thoughts about whether its cool or not in the Doc-o-meter for one of the two founders of the other site in question to be threatening to violate my privacy on his site?

RPGPundit

You kill me. Dude, you've done that yourself. You're careless about it and then wonder how people might find out? You'll note, as I just said, I chastise someone else for referencing it. And while people ask for photos, I merely chastise you for being so careless if it's so damn important to you, to still have it out there...I don't provide it.

So now knowing your name means that I'm a threat to reveal it and that is somehow an issue I have to consider?

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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2009, 01:35:50 PM »
No, not really.  

A violation of privacy would not be cool at all of course, but, frankly, I can't see why anyone cares who you really are.  I know I don't.  To me, The RPG Pundit is the username of a guy who lives in Uruguay and runs the RPG Site, who designed a game that I like pretty well, and who occasionally says crazy stuff that makes me go, "What the fuck...?!".  That's all I need to know. Oh, yeah, and the pipes and the Masons and the love for the Amber RPG.

If anyone else is worried about who you are or aren't...whatever.  I advise them not to get worked up about it.  I say leave you alone to do what you'll do.
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« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2009, 01:38:38 PM »
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It's an issue to me when there are cross-forum dramas involving a site where i am a moderator.
Yeah, I kinda didn't think about that.  I'd like to rephrase, then: I'm prepared for this to not be an issue, and just mosey over to the campfire you mentioned.  Granted I'm a mod here too, but...hell, I dunno why I still am, with as little as I do with it.

Sorry, man, no slight intended.
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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2009, 01:39:04 PM »
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I can. I get along fine here, there, and RPGNet too. I like Pundit, and think he's a crackerjack game designer, but the anti-Pundit thing is only on a few threads which I can easily avoid. Most of the site is good, and I've missed some of the people who are there and not here any more. I expect as the Haven matures it will find it's own way, just like this place did.

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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2009, 01:40:15 PM »
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"Pundy's rather put out that someone created a forum that caters to essentially the same interests as his" -Ian Absentia
And it's totally true.  Someone asked why you were copy-catting threads, and I offered my opinion as to why.  Here's the full caption:
Quote from: Ian Absentia (on The RPG Haven)
Well, in a nutshell, Pundy's rather put out that someone created a forum that caters to essentially the same interests as his, only without the bile and poison at its core. So I think he's trying to prove that there's no reason to post here if he has duplicate threads there.
If anything, I wasn't pointed enough.

And, just so you don't get away with accusing the wrong people of invading your privacy, I was the one who used your first name, and Jim chastised me for it -- gently, but his point was made.

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« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2009, 01:40:23 PM »
Dude, everyone saw what you did there. "Mr.T"?

Just admit it. You hate me. Embrace that. You'll feel better. You won't have to keep living this double-discourse life of yours, and you can complete your site's conversion into being
all about fighting with me. And then I win.

Or you can ignore me, and your site can be not about anything. And then I win.

Do you see the one common factor here?

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« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2009, 01:40:34 PM »
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You kill me. Dude, you've done that yourself. You're careless about it and then wonder how people might find out? You'll note, as I just said, I chastise someone else for referencing it. And while people ask for photos, I merely chastise you for being so careless if it's so damn important to you, to still have it out there...I don't provide it.

So now knowing your name means that I'm a threat to reveal it and that is somehow an issue I have to consider?

Man, if this pundit thing is an act, it's a good one. If not, you have issues...

Dude, everyone saw what you did there. "Mr.T"? But hey, extra points for being such a coward you like to say it in the safety of your own site but not here to my face.

Just admit it. You hate me. Embrace that. You'll feel better. You won't have to keep living this double-discourse life of yours, and you can complete your site's conversion into being
all about fighting with me. And then I win.

Or you can ignore me, and your site can be not about anything. Because right now, "hating the pundit" is the only thing that makes it different from theRPGsite (and let's face it, not even that is all that different, since anyone there who isn't banned here could just be talking about hating me on here). But yes, make it about nothing.  And then I win.

Do you see the one common factor here? You've already lost.

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« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2009, 01:40:56 PM »
Is this a thread on how to run a soap opera campaign ? Where's my butthurt ointment ?

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« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2009, 01:44:02 PM »
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Really? That's it? No groovy-hipster-Rotwang-above-it-all thoughts about whether its cool or not in the Doc-o-meter for one of the two founders of the other site in question to be threatening to violate my privacy on his site?

RPGPundit

THAT I don't care for, not at all. That is unethical. I must've missed that - like I said, I skip over that crap. Guys? Please explain this! Pundy-insults are one thing - he gets insulted here too, and he can take it - but violating a user's privacy is another order entirely! I know some things about Pundit - I'm his publisher, and I have to - but I've never breathed a word about any of it, not even to my wife. That's sacred, man! If either of you have threatened this, even jokingly, a sincere, complete, and public apology is in order, on both sites. There are no mitigating circumstances short of a government court order, and even then I'd think long and hard about it.

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Edit: Posted while a slew of other posts were cascading down. It looks like it wasn't the site's founders but a member who said something. I left the above in place, though, because what I said is true for anyone willfully violating someone else's privacy, including my friend Ian. There are some screwed up people on the internet - just think of some of the whack jobs you have seen post here - and Pundit's pretty incendiary. The thought of some of those creeps getting Pundit's address... That scares me.
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