I'm curious as to what behavior is considered disruptive to the site, and who makes that determination, especially given how much of this site is dedicated to insulting each other. (Which makes this thread all the more ironic.)

Paul, when you say "I'm curious" I hear "I'm looking for ways to stir up some shit".  Maybe that's just me reading too much into the "on his dick" thread and resurrecting the Nikchick LJ discussion.

I can understand that. My post was sarcastic, but I am seriously curious as to what disruptive behavior is around here. I mean posters here regularly insult each other with a vitriol I couldn't even begin to muster. I mean these guys really seem to hate each other in some cases.

No matter what I post I don't know any of you, as such it would be hard to actually hate any of you. And like I said in another post, I tend to limit my silliness to a limited area of the site, as to not bull doze all of the serious threads. (And I think I do a fair job of that. I'm not always successful of course, but then we all have goals right?)

To me it seems like some things don't quite jive around here, and I will feel free to point it out. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, or even see my view points as being topical, well thought out or even as humorous. But I do participate.

Quote from: jrientsPaul, when you say "I'm curious" I hear "I'm looking for ways to stir up some shit".  Maybe that's just me reading too much into the "on his dick" thread and resurrecting the Nikchick LJ discussion.

http://www.animalball.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=460

nope, not reading too much into it...

there's a difference in just plain being a dick...or planning in advance to be the biggest dick you can.

Quote from: Serious PaulTo me it seems like some things don't quite jive around here, and I will feel free to point it out. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, or even see my view points as being topical, well thought out or even as humorous. But I do participate.

I got no beef with that.

While we're all in such an open sharing mood, I'm gonna call Set out.  Set: Pundit was off track, but asking the man to apologize to an abstract concept seems pretty fucking stupid from over here.  I get your point, but you aren't helping yourself the way you're framing the argument.

And notice that is about one thread. Which I have clearly stated I purposefully kicked over the ant hill.

Edit

Jrients posted in between me and the post I was replying to, which was Kreg's.

I post here a lot and I've barely noticed the guy, so no, don't ban him.

For someone to be banned for being disruptive I think they'd need to be seriously fucking with the site, not just being annoying in one or two threads that most of us don't even read.  Plus I get the impression some folk think his posts were fair play, can't say I care but it doesn't sound banworthy to me.

Quote from: jrientsI got no beef with that.

While we're all in such an open sharing mood, I'm gonna call Set out.  Set: Pundit was off track, but asking the man to apologize to an abstract concept seems pretty fucking stupid from over here.  I get your point, but you aren't helping yourself the way you're framing the argument.

I think at least some, probably most, and possibly all of Set's posts to this thread were humorous.

Quote from: BalbinusI think at least some, probably most, and possibly all of Set's posts to this thread were humorous.

Well thank God.  I read most of the back half of this thread at one go and I was really starting to wonder what the hell was up.

Quote from: RPGPunditYou might feel differently about that if, say, R.Bumquist HatesPundit came on here and started several threads a day on every forum about attacking me, and derailed every thread he could find with defenses of Forge Theory or digs at my person.

See, it wouldn't be about me, the reason for banning him (there's plenty of people who hate me on here, and I haven't banned ANY of them, because they keep their hate relatively in check and are also here to contribute) it would be about making the site unreadable.

RPGPundit

Then when that happens you have solid grounds to ban them.  As it stands, you don't.

Dave

Quote from: Serious PaulI can understand that. My post was sarcastic, but I am seriously curious as to what disruptive behavior is around here.

Well, my "disruptive behavior" that got Pundit thinking about banning me involved a lot of me throwing shit at Pundit. I made tons of posts that didn't involve him whatsoever, but I also managed to cross whatever personal line he has about being personally insulted, and he completely ignored the existence of those other posts in favor of only seeing the ones that attacked him.

It seems from the opening post on this thread that Lev has done the same thing.

I'd also point out that there are others besides Pundit on this board (like Dominus Nox, yourself, and JimBobOz) that get a lot of people attacking them. There are also some (like Blakkie) that spend most of their time attacking Pundit as well. Yet none of that activity results in thinking about banning, at least not publically like with Lev and myself.

What does that all mean? I'll leave that to others to decide, but I know what impression it gives me.

As for whether I think he should be banned or not? Who the heck is he? No offense to Lev, but he's not exactly made a huge splash here. And if you're not known you can't be disruptive. So no, I don't think he should be banned.

Quote from: James McMurrayI'd also point out that there are others besides Pundit on this board (like Dominus Nox, yourself, and JimBobOz) that get a lot of people attacking them. There are also some (like Blakkie) that spend most of their time attacking Pundit as well. Yet none of that activity results in thinking about banning, at least not publically like with Lev and myself.

People register at therpgsite just to attack RPGPundit. Nobody registers here just to attack me or Nox or whoever. Serious Paul and AnimalballBrasky signed up just to attack RPGPundit and stir up shit; their posts since then have largely had nothing to do with rpgs. Whereas the people who attack me or whoever, they post mainly about rpgs.

If someone says, "JimBobOz is a prick! Mainly because he doesn't like d20, and I love d20, let me tell you about my campaign," then that person is a useful contributor to therpgsite. Let them rant on.

If someone says, "JimBobOz is a prick!" and leaves it at that, then that person is not a useful contributor to therpgsite. Let them fuck off.

We're here to talk about rpgs.

The point is that attacking some other poster, that's fine in general, but it shouldn't be your only purpose on this site. Your main reason for being here should always be to discuss rpgs. It's like in a game session, okay, you'll make little jokes and comments out of character - but if you never do any roleplaying in the session, why the fuck are you there? Just to stir shit? Fuck off, then. We're here to talk about rpgs.

I haven't read the whole thread. Are you also suggesting banning Serious Paul and AnimallballBrasky?

Quote from: James McMurrayI haven't read the whole thread. Are you also suggesting banning Serious Paul and AnimallballBrasky?

Check out the Why are you on his dick? thread. Then wander over to their forums in the links provided, and you'll see that they signed up specifically to come and troll RPGPundit. Whereas lev_lafayette signed up in response to being flamed here, and having RPGPundit set him as a target on his "War on Swine." Lev's also posted on rpg topics here.

So if the standard is going to be, "if you talk about rpgs, and also stir shit, that's fine; if you stir shit, and don't talk rpgs, you can fuck off," then Serious Paul and AnimalballBrasky are worthy of banning, but lev_lafayette is not.

One of the things I used to hassle the rpg.net mods about was consistency and fairness. I'm a great believer in fairness - standards or rules may be loose, or harsh, I can handle either - but they should always be fair. If Lev's at all worthy of banning, if it's even worth considering, then Brasky and Paul should definitely be banned, on the same standards.

They're here to stir shit, not to talk rpgs. It's not theshitstirringsite, it's therpgsite.

Quote from: James McMurrayAnd if you're not known you can't be disruptive.

Soon therpgsite will become the thejorunesite....("damn it, you said that out aloud...he...they wont understand... :mad: ")

Regards,
David R