*WARNING:  I am not a lawyer, so take this with a big ol' grain of salt*

Having personally been involved in the setting up of a not-for-profit corporation and several for-profit corporations in the US, I can tell you that in my opinion these options are *way* too much hassle for what we are talking about here, which is getting a few hundred bucks to cover hosting costs for an RPG forum.  For setting up these sorts of corporations correctly expect to hire an attorney or have a friend who knows how to file these specialized documents for you.

I don't know the business laws of Uruguay, but the far simpler solution, if absolutely necessary, is to set up a sole proprietorship.  This usually in the US involves filling out some forms and that's about it.  Frankly, I am not even sure that is worth the effort, unless the advertisers themselves would prefer to deal with a formal business entity for the transaction.

As I said, this stuff gets thick pretty quick.  The simpler the better, IMO.


TGA

Quote from: flyingmiceThat makes 2 of us.

-clash

Well, if Clash is infor $100 then that makes $200 with just two companies. If you can't run the site on $200 USD then you are doing something phenomenally wrong.

To Jimbob: So, we are agreeing in spectacular form? I must have missed your point so sorry for that. Battling a migraine and have to get orders out tonight. I will be quiet on the subject. Oh, and for the record, I am a CMA not a lawyer.

Bill

Quote from: The Good Assyrian*WARNING:  I am not a lawyer, so take this with a big ol' grain of salt*

Having personally been involved in the setting up of a not-for-profit corporation and several for-profit corporations in the US, I can tell you that in my opinion these options are *way* too much hassle for what we are talking about here, which is getting a few hundred bucks to cover hosting costs for an RPG forum.  For setting up these sorts of corporation correctly expect to hire an attorney or have a friend who knows how to file these specialized documents for you.

I don't know the business laws of Uruguay, but the far simpler solution, if absolutely necessary, is to set up a sole proprietorship.  This usually in the US involves filling out some forms and that's about it.  Frankly, I am not even sure that is worth the effort, unless the advertisers themselves would prefer to deal with a formal business entity for the transaction.

As I said, this stuff gets thick pretty quick.  The simpler the better, IMO.


TGA

TGA,
I think that discussion was off the rails. I, at least, was never suggesting an NPO or any formal organization, just making broad strokes saying I have better places to donate money than an internet fora.

And I whole heartedly agree, NPOs are not fun to create or maintain.

Bill

Quote from: HinterWeltTGA,
I think that discussion was off the rails. I, at least, was never suggesting an NPO or any formal organization, just making broad strokes saying I have better places to donate money than an internet fora.

And I whole heartedly agree, NPOs are not fun to create or maintain.

Bill

No problem, Bill.  I understand your point about charity giving entirely.  I was actually responding more to JimBob, who did seem to be suggesting the not-for-profit model.  I may have misunderstood him, but that is a colossal pain in the ass to set up.  At least in the USA.


TGA

I'll put my vote in for good adds.  The kind they used to have in Dragon Magazine and are sorely lacking in the industry today.  Adds that have a picture and say a few things about the game.

But please, no Google adds or porn site adds, or adds for Tom Hanks movies.

I'd donate by the way.  I never donated elsewhere because the time when they started asking for money coresponded quite nicely with the time when I got sick of the bullshit.

So yes I'd donate.  Yes if I ever have a company up and going, I'd advertise.  Yes I'd love to see informative gaming related adds.  No computer game adds though please.

I'm not saying that everyone who didn't/couldn't donate were here for bad reasons; just that its blatantly clear that those who are not here for good reasons (blackie, tonylb, Lev, etc) will very clearly NOT be among those who will donate money for the site's continued wellbeing, making it just more obvious that their role here is that of intentional "outside agitators" who want to see this place fail.

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But yes, I agree that in theory I would agree that banner ads by the companies we all like and enjoy would probably not bother anyone, and would pretty well pay for expenses by themselves.

Of course, this would require us having at least ONE admin that knew something about how to do things with this software (discounting all current admins except Umasama), and would actually give a fuck and do his job (discounting Umasama).

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Quote from: RPGPunditI'm not saying that everyone who didn't/couldn't donate were here for bad reasons; just that its blatantly clear that those who are not here for good reasons (blackie, tonylb, Lev, etc) will very clearly NOT be among those who will donate money for the site's continued wellbeing, making it just more obvious that their role here is that of intentional "outside agitators" who want to see this place fail.

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TonyLB and Blakkie post enough that I think they like it here.  Or they could be dicks.  I really don't know.

You must have missed their s33kr1t 4g3nd4, joewolz. I think they're planning it all in those hidden story-games forums, and that's why Andy K never approved my application to join, I might reveal the Secret Agenda Conspiracy Thingo.

Yes, banner ads. Yes, for games. No, not for Asian WoW sweatshops. Also, not TOWER ads (those sidebar things).

That can't be so difficult to implement, admin-wise?

By the way, I found some cool stats--

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=6m&size=medium&compare_sites=&url=http://www.rpg.net

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.enworld.org

Meanwhile, in a musty corner of the internet...

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.therpgsite.com

I know EXACTLY what you're going to say, Pundy.

Ads, donations, whatever.  I'm happy with either.  As long as I get a tshirt out of it.  You know, something like

"I donated to theRPGsite and all I got..."

Quote from: RPGPunditI'm not saying that everyone who didn't/couldn't donate were here for bad reasons; just that its blatantly clear that those who are not here for good reasons (blackie, tonylb, Lev, etc) will very clearly NOT be among those who will donate money for the site's continued wellbeing, making it just more obvious that their role here is that of intentional "outside agitators" who want to see this place fail.

Awww ... see now, no matter what I do, Pundit's going to view it as a sign of hypocrisy.

For what it's worth, the instant I saw the idea of a donation drive my response was "Sure, I'd pay $10 to help keep the RPGSite going.  Even setting aside the roleplaying discussions, I pay more for a circus ticket, and the circus isn't half as entertaining!"

But it's a sad fact that once Pundit starts slinging around his whole "You are dishonest, and so everything you do is done for dishonest reasons, the truth of which only I, the Pundit, am capable of perceiving!" schtick, the possibility of sane interactions gets shot straight to hell.  No doubt, if we get a donation drive going and I donate, Pundit's going to get his gloat on about "Look, they are such liars that I can use their very dishonesty to trick them into supporting my cause, just so that their lying lies are not revealed!  I RULE!  I am WINNING THE WAR!"

That whole mess makes me use a sad-face emoticon.   But don't worry, folks!  The next circus (and I'm sure there'll be one along any day) will make me happy again.  

You say what you say now, but I seriously doubt that you could bring yourself, even to try to hide your real intentions, to actually put money down to something that would help in the survival of this site, and thus the success of the people you despise.

You and the others I mentioned are here to try to bring this place down. I would bet you wouldn't be willing to put down a single groat to keep it alive.

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Quote from: Pierce InverarityI know EXACTLY what you're going to say, Pundy.

Actually, I'm not going to say anything, because when I clicked those links all I got to was blank screens... :confused:

Care to give me the gist of what they were about?

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