Quote from: Seanchai;279889You say that and yet you also said when I arrived that the forums weren't moderated, that you don't ban people, etc.. You have zero credibility anymore...

Seanchai

We do not, and have never moderated speech here; nor is anyone banned for speech/opinion. We have always, and continue to, moderate for disruptive behaviour that negatively affects the forums.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;279905We do not, and have never moderated speech here; nor is anyone banned for speech/opinion.

Seriously, it's your site, do what you want with it but for the love of god, do not make this claim ever again.

You couldn't handle one of your mods pestering you to take action and succumbed to the complaints of a few others. All based around speech and opinion in a specific forum on the site.

There was no "site disruption", the very nature of your narrowly focused sub-forum ban proves that. There simply were folks who couldn't handle opinions in the politics forum and found that even without a "report function", ala Tangency, they could simply pester you into some kind of action.

Again, your site, your call on what you want to do with it, but don't pretend you do it for some other reason than what you did it for.

Watch out, Mr Skach, you are next!  Then Hinterwelt!  The great right-wing purge continues full steam!!

Quote from: StormBringer;279916Watch out, Mr Skach, you are next!  Then Hinterwelt!  The great right-wing purge continues full steam!!

I am right wing? Jackalope is right wing? I am not following you.

That said, I will still take your advice and fear the purge...

I guess I need to change my custom title to "Faggot Moderator" for a bit.  My wife will be disappointed.

Quote from: Zachary The First;279927I guess I need to change my custom title to "Faggot Moderator" for a bit.  My wife will be disappointed.

Don't worry Zach, you will always be a hetero-mod with mucho machismo...well, not as much a Dr. Rotwang but come on...

Quote from: HinterWelt;279930Don't worry Zach, you will always be a hetero-mod with mucho machismo...well, not as much a Dr. Rotwang but come on...

I know.  I tried wearing a white sportcoat with the sleeves rolled up, but even that could not counter The Tie.

Ah well.

Quote from: CavScout;279912Seriously, it's your site, do what you want with it but for the love of god, do not make this claim ever again.

You couldn't handle one of your mods pestering you to take action and succumbed to the complaints of a few others. All based around speech and opinion in a specific forum on the site.

There was no "site disruption", the very nature of your narrowly focused sub-forum ban proves that. There simply were folks who couldn't handle opinions in the politics forum and found that even without a "report function", ala Tangency, they could simply pester you into some kind of action.

Again, your site, your call on what you want to do with it, but don't pretend you do it for some other reason than what you did it for.

On the contrary, the PROOF that it was all about the disruption is that the banning was strictly limited to the area being disrupted. It wasn't a case of "I don't like his politics" or "some of the posters don't like the guy" so we'll ban you from the forums.  It was a case of every single motherfucking thread on the Politics subforum was turning into the Cavscout show (or the Jackalope show; or the Cavscout-Jackalope Mutual Poo-Slinging Extravaganza), essentially killing the possibility of that particular forum being able to function the way it was intended.

And you are lucky that I can and do stand up to my mods; all of them but me were in favour of banning you from both Politics AND off-topic (and a couple would have wanted you banned altogether).  Notice who's "minority opinion" ended up being the deciding policy.
Don't make me have to later bear their "i told you so" chorus by disrupting other areas, please.  I chose to be as strictly limited in what I blocked you from to the area where the most specific disruption was going on. If I was really being "pushed around" by other admins or users on here, you wouldn't be on theRPGsite anymore.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;279938Don't make me have to later bear their "i told you so" chorus by disrupting other areas, please.

What would this disruption look like? Would saying you're ignoring a poster yet randomly trying to goad them into a response so some objective moderator could jump in and lay down the law be it?

I'd hate to think you let someone get away with looking for a fight but if the fight is joined busting out the ban stick.

For some reason I am betting that the same behavior on my part would have some mod's panties tied up in a knot and some others telling you'd they're quiting the site if you didn't do something.

Or perhaps, I am mistaken, and it is allowed behavior in the RPG forums and no one mind if I followed a similar tact. Somehow though, I don't think that's quite the case.

Quote from: CavScout;279944What would this disruption look like? Would saying you're ignoring a poster yet randomly trying to goad them into a response so some objective moderator could jump in and lay down the law be it?

No, it wouldn't really look like that. It would look like derailing a thread with off-topic stuff, or especially trying to inject political stuff into non-political threads in the non-political part of the forum.
You haven't done those things. Feel free to go and call Stormbringer a fuckhead if you want; that's allowed. Do it 20 times in the same thread until the thread is useless for anything else, and that's where you end up having a problem.
Its all about knowing when you've said your piece and there's nothing more to add.

QuoteFor some reason I am betting that the same behavior on my part would have some mod's panties tied up in a knot and some others telling you'd they're quiting the site if you didn't do something.

Oh, it might, but those complaints would be rejected, IF you don't engage in the kind of behaviour I detail above.

You will recall that for MONTHS I was rejecting people's complaints about you that amounted to "I don't like his politics"; the point in which you became a problem on that one subforum was not when you were expressing right-wing views, it was when the entire forum had its viability challenged by the fact that every single thread was being co-opted into either a soapbox for you or a place where you and your opponents dished out personal insults.

And you know, from a purely strategic perspective, getting all pissy with the one guy with both the most power on the site and the most inclination to err on the side of leniency (aka, the one guy who doesn't seem to want to see your head on a plate) in all these matters is probably not the most productive thing you could be doing.

RPGPundit

Quote from: StormBringer;279916Watch out, Mr Skach, you are next!  Then Hinterwelt!  The great right-wing purge continues full steam!!

Keep my name out of it - I've already been labeled as "competition."

Quote from: James J Skach;279990Keep my name out of it - I've already been labeled as "competition."

Too late, buddy, you are on the list.  

Quote from: Engine;279845You know when Pundit and I are A-teaming someone, it's bad. And if you don't know what I mean by that, you probably don't want to; it's a mental image you should spare yourself.

Well, I'll be damned. Spared no more.

A step in the right direction - not that I've been missed, but it'll be nice to end my self-imposed exile.

Quote from: Engine;280028Well, I'll be damned. Spared no more.

Ha! Classic!