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Author Topic: Making comments without allowing for right of reply and then blocking the thread.  (Read 7888 times)

TrippyHippy
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This seems to be the ongoing tactic on this thread currently, so I shall share some internal messages below:

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1) Why would you post a picture of a dead child? That is horrible. I don't want to see that, nor do I think most people.

It was entirely relevant to the comments being made - that is why. RPGPundit had sought to describe refugees escaping Syria as "hordes" of "rapists". (I haven't access to his exact quote, but the terms used were equivalent) and that the EU was weak/wrong to allow them into the country as asylum seekers.

That specific photo appeared in headlines in all major European Newspapers when the Syrian refugee crisis occurred. It is a dead Syrian boy, washed up on the shores after a refugee boat sank into the ocean while trying to escape a war zone. It has been cited as one of the major reasons why the EU leaders chose to prevent a humanitarian crisis and allow them in. I find it horrible and utterly disgusting to use the language that RPGPundit was using to describe victims like that. Go and read about that image yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Alan_Kurdi

If people don't want to see photos like that, then they should start describing the victims in the disgraceful terms used in that thread.

2) This is a site for RPG discussion. Post about RPGs rather than politics. Why would anyone want to see this site devolve into rpg.net's Tangency.
I post under those rules for the rest of this forum. I posted in RPGPundit's forum under the rules he sets there.

3) RPGPundit's forum is his personal forum. He can do whatever he wants there. If you don't like that, stick to the RPG forums. Pretty simple.

4) Your access to RPGPundit's forum should be back, but may be changed again to restrict your access to that forum after that horrible posting. Any other loss of access was purely accidental due to some of the forum's settings.

It's still censorship. He continually makes politicised points about freedom of speech. I am happy to follow the rules wherever I post, but I also know hypocrisy when I see it. If he wants to create his own vile little echo chamber, then that is up to him. I have no intent posting where I am not wanted.

5) I have nothing against you personally, but I will reiterate: do not post pictures of dead children, post more RPG-related stuff, and don't worry about RPGPundit's forum.

I have got a lot against you, personally, if you are tacitly supporting racist propaganda presented on this site, while censoring the real impact of what is going on in the world today. That is what that photo is about. By ending that thread when you did, after putting these direct questions to me, you have censored me, yet again. Was this because of an upsetting photo this time too, or because you don't want to let me answer in public as the facts are embarrassing? I warned BedrockBrendan of the content before I posted.


I will also say that when I was blocked I received no explanation or communication whatsoever. When I sent my Private Message to Pundit it was exactly in that light. I frankly do not except some random technical glitch. I was blocked for days, until complaints were raised.
I pretended that a picture of a toddler was representative of the Muslim Migrant population to Europe and then lied about a Private Message I sent to Pundit when I was admonished for it.  (Edited by Admin)

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What is up with Pundit opening the previous Helpdesk thread to post a comment and then relocking it before anyone can respond?

It is blatant powertripping. I guess ‘Pundit does whatever he wants in his forum' now applies to the whole of RPGSite.

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The thread was closed, because the issue had been resolved with your access to the forum being fixed. No response was needed on your part. It's a help desk forum, not a regular discussion forum. Weren't you posting to get your access back or did you have some other agenda?

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When you gave your post were you just communicating a technical solution or trying to present your own agenda.

You made public criticisms of me that were misleading and unfair, in order to counter the criticism of censorship through ad hominem. You shut down the thread before anybody could comment. Pundit just deliberately opened the thread and shut it again to do the same thing.  

How many other threads on the Helpdesk have been immediately shut down before anyone else could comment?
I pretended that a picture of a toddler was representative of the Muslim Migrant population to Europe and then lied about a Private Message I sent to Pundit when I was admonished for it.  (Edited by Admin)

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The thread was closed, because the issue had been resolved with your access to the forum being fixed. No response was needed on your part. It's a help desk forum, not a regular discussion forum. Weren't you posting to get your access back or did you have some other agenda?


Your comments about a 'dead child' are clueless or disengenous. That photo has been published on the front page of every major newpaper in the Western world but you act like it was a clip from Ogrish. Pundit has, rightly, posted YT footage of right wingers being assaulted by Antifa, why is that okay and this photo isn't?

Perhaps you are also unaware of the kind of extreme language used regularly in Pundency, to claim posting a well known news photo is 'over the line' for a forum often full of racial and nationalist invective is laughably hypocritical.

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There was no criticism other than about you posting a horrible picture. Everything else was simply the rules. And as an admin, Pundit can reply to any thread without re-opening it -- he probably didn't even realize the thread the closed. No one knew about the problem, but when you finally articulated it, we fixed it.

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'Horrible picture.’ Are you living in a cave to not recognize it? Would you also ban this photo in a discussion about the Vietnam war?

If the rules are 'Pundit can do whatever he wants' please post that into the official guidelines of not only Pundency but the whole site so it is clear that this is one manchild's personal fiefdom.

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There was no criticism other than about you posting a horrible picture. Everything else was simply the rules. And as an admin, Pundit can reply to any thread without re-opening it -- he probably didn't even realize the thread the closed. No one knew about the problem, but when you finally articulated it, we fixed it.
Your own reference to 'picture of a dead child' implied that it was presented by myself for the sake of being obscene and offensive. You provided no other context, with the inference that it wasn't already widely circulated by all major media sites, and was in fact presented as an exact example of the asylum seekers that Pundit was demonising in obscene language at the time.

If your intent was not to slander me online, then make your apology now and I will leave it at that.
I pretended that a picture of a toddler was representative of the Muslim Migrant population to Europe and then lied about a Private Message I sent to Pundit when I was admonished for it.  (Edited by Admin)

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So, no apology then I take it?

That speaks the truth of the matter. As does the contradiction in suggesting that it was all a technical issue that you were all unaware of, whilst attempting to falsely admonish me for actions leading up to the block, and how I should behave after. If it was just a technical issue, then why would you do this?

Craven and disingenuous.
I pretended that a picture of a toddler was representative of the Muslim Migrant population to Europe and then lied about a Private Message I sent to Pundit when I was admonished for it.  (Edited by Admin)

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So, you haven't been banned and you can indeed post here. I guess that makes several of you leftists liars.
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So, you haven't been banned and you can indeed post here. I guess that makes several of you leftists liars.

Yeah. This makes no sense. There was a bug in the forum. Then it was fixed. An admin commented in a locked thread. Possibly not knowing it was locked? (Its fairly easy to miss that a thread is locked depending on where you enter it.)

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The issue is Pundit censoring an image that he finds politically inconvienent. He also blocked Trippy's ability to upload photos without notice and left it that way for days without announcing it.

If you can't see the issue with that on a supposed forum dedicated to 'free speech'...

As TBP shows there are more forms of Admin abusing their power than mere bans, which Jeffy desperately clings to since he is a pathetic toady of Pundits.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2018, 09:14:26 AM by Voros »

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Voros this isn't the free speech open forum, it is a gaming forum. The site has always been primarily a gaming forum. There have always been limits on what kinds of imagery can be posted and political discussions have only been allowable here recently. You can't just go around posting porn for example. We generally keep it to common sense. People don't get banned for having the wrong opinions but the gaming forum is meant to be about gaming. And the pundit subforum is stuff Pundit finds personally interesting to discuss. Again, nobody has been banned for anything. This forum was never intended to be an open political forum. There is just a small area of the forum where those kinds of discussions can take place. But this is ultimately a gaming forum.

There are a bunch of pinned threads in here if you want Pundit's official explanations of how the forum works.

For what it is worth, I agreed with Trippy Hippy's position on immigration but I wasn't particularly thrilled with having that image suddenly show up in the discussion. I agree with it appearing in major news papers as well but: Therpgiste is not the New York Times. It is a gaming site.

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Jeffy desperately clings to since he is a pathetic toady of Pundits.

If you only knew how funny I find this statement.
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Therpgiste is not the New York Times. It is a gaming site.
RPGPundit's own forum is not a gaming site. It's a personalised echochamber which allows him to ferment mistruth and his own politicised agenda - which frequently claiming for himself that he represents free-speech. To deny this is disingenuous.

With regards to that photo, again, I will state that it is a commonly well known and iconic image that was entirely relevant to the comments made by him. To censor it, after those disgusting comments had been made - when the picture itself is directly relevant, is censorship. To then suggest that the blocking of my posts was a 'technical issue', whilst still admonishing myself for this at the same time, is contradictory and disingenuous. To carry on admonishing the use of the picture after the event, and then imply the consequences of another block onto his forum if I were to do it again, is again hypocritical.

There was no 'bug in the system'. Did anybody else here get blocked for days? No. This is a lie.
I pretended that a picture of a toddler was representative of the Muslim Migrant population to Europe and then lied about a Private Message I sent to Pundit when I was admonished for it.  (Edited by Admin)