Quote from: SettembriniWow, that´s an open threat. Tell me something about good faith...

:confused:

Quote from: ClaudiusI just want to talk about roleplaying games, damn it, and not about castles in the air or imaginary wars. :rant:

Are you dissing Jorune?!

Quote from: lukeHonestly, you're not going to win that fight. Anyone determined to promote on your site is going to look for the biggest, busiest forums and then post in there. If you move, delete or ghettoize posts, it's just going to go underground. People will actually start stealth promoting.

And stealth promoting is really, really easy. Much easier than a Q&A thread.

-L

That´s a threat in my book.

Quote from: SettembriniThat´s a threat in my book.

Or a statement of fact. Actually, its whatever you want it to be; and you seem to want it to be a threat. Most likely because you want a war.

Because your projecting.

I don't believe in the Swine War, and even I thought it was a threat.

I mean, a pretty weak and woolly geekboy sort of threat, but still a threat.

Quote from: TonyLBYep ... french RPG about submarine crews, if I recall correctly.

Truly? I stand corrected, if that's the case. Doesn't change fuck all, but i stand corrected.

Quote from: One Horse Town2) I think that the threads moved to off topic should be put in game design & theory. They're not off-topic, they just aren't in the right place. Luke's q&a has been pretty interesting, but i reckon that as it has more to do with design opinions, it should be in Game Design & Theory as well.

What the fuck do those threads have to do with "theory"?! They aren't threads about designing RPGs.

You are thinking of putting them in "Theory" because Luke and Tony claim to be "Theory" people, as if they OWN "theory", as if "theory" must be GNS and only Forge-people are theorists. Fuck that.

Their theories are lies. My Theory forum is for real theory and real game design; so I've made a conscious effort to not allow the place to be a place where Forgistas come in and take over.  Moving the stuff the Storygamers have made to that forum would grant them exactly that.

Their threads aren't REAL "theory", and they aren't about RPGs, they're just self-promotion.  They belong in Off Topic more than anywhere else currently on the board, since we don't currently have a "Self-promotion" Forum, or an "Irrelevancy" forum, or whatever.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditTheir threads aren't REAL "theory", and they aren't about RPGs, they're just self-promotion.  They belong in Off Topic more than anywhere else currently on the board, since we don't currently have a "Self-promotion" Forum, or an "Irrelevancy" forum, or whatever.

RPGPundit

In the interest of accuracy, I vote that we call it the Jerk Off forum.

How can a theory be a lie?

Quote from: TempleHow can a theory be a lie?

It sure doesn't describe anything resembling what's gone on at any of my gaming tables in the last decade plus worth of gaming.

Quote from: J ArcaneIt sure doesn't describe anything resembling what's gone on at any of my gaming tables in the last decade plus worth of gaming.

Well, thats one thing. But a theory cant be a lie. The very concept of a theory prevents it, because there is uncertainty implicit in the term. A theory is a poissible explanation, yet unproved.

A claim, on the other hand, can be a lie. And many people proclaim GNS and Big Model as fact. But when prefaced with theory, the accusation of lies makes no sense, atleast to me.

Quote from: RPGPunditTheir threads aren't REAL "theory", and they aren't about RPGs, they're just self-promotion.  They belong in Off Topic more than anywhere else currently on the board, since we don't currently have a "Self-promotion" Forum, or an "Irrelevancy" forum, or whatever.

RPGPundit

If they're so irrelevant, why are you reacting out of fear?

Quote from: TempleWell, thats one thing. But a theory cant be a lie. The very concept of a theory prevents it, because there is uncertainty implicit in the term. A theory is a poissible explanation, yet unproved.

A claim, on the other hand, can be a lie. And many people proclaim GNS and Big Model as fact. But when prefaced with theory, the accusation of lies makes no sense, atleast to me.

It's a lie because it purports to be all inclusive but isn't.  It's a lie because bby using the term theory it implies a scientific rigor, when in fact it wouldn't even hold water as a freshman term paper at a community college.  

And it's a lie because it doesn't actually even manage to describe the way the vast majority of people actually play, and is in fact, openly hostile to it.

If the big bang theory turned out to be false, but we kept teaching it in schools, that'd be a lie, right?  Why should RPG "theory" be given a pass when it's effectively doing that very thing?

Quote from: J ArcaneIf the big bang theory turned out to be false, but we kept teaching it in schools, that'd be a lie, right?  Why should RPG "theory" be given a pass when it's effectively doing that very thing?

I dont actually see how its doing that very thing. While many people experience what youre describing, many others are experiencing the exact opposite. Games are being designed according to the theories, and they observably do their thing
for many players.

If anything, Id say the theories are incomplete. I wouldnt call them lies though.

Quote from: TempleI dont actually see how its doing that very thing. While many people experience what youre describing, many others are experiencing the exact opposite. Games are being designed according to the theories, and they observably do their thing
for many players.

If anything, Id say the theories are incomplete. I wouldnt call them lies though.

The thing is, these aren't even theories.

No, a theory can't be a lie. But a philosophy or an ideology or a dishonest marketing plan can be called twisted, or inaccurate, or wrong.

Or all three.