As TheRPGSite is built on the concept of unrestrained argument, I don't personally have an issue with recent conduct of posters. I agree its generally a shame that some people are unjustifiably douchebags to other people or hold grudges, but if you post here you should be prepared for what you get, or simply walk away.

TBH the only issue I have with these forums, that caused me to take a break from them, is the way the some mods hide behind their mod powers in a poor attempt to "win" arguments, when their own bias and personal agendas are obvious. If you don't agree with something someone says, argue it or concede the point.

Still, there is nothing that can be done about those actions, and fortunately the actions speak for themselves. Unfortunately, I think this adds to the attitude of certain posters here that is acceptable to act without regard for others.

I don't mind discussion or argument, but vitriol is unneeded.

Quote from: The Traveller;664197Once again, I'm not the one following people around making backhanded snipes about realism. Consider it dropped, since he's got me on ignore at this stage.

I'm in no way saying it was just you; it takes two to tango; I think benoist is owning up to this in a way, acknowledging his own role in the conflict and choosing to bow out. I'm glad to hear you plan to do the same.

Quote from: Rincewind1;664183I don't understand what you mean. You mean passive - aggressive stuff?

Yes.

When outright nastiness is banned, the ill feelings don't magically go away, things fester. Most of us have seen this in our workplace, a couple of co-workers go head-to-head, the boss steps in and says, "let's agree to disagree", and things are worse than they were before, everyone can feel the hostility, nasty gossip happens, sides are taken, and so on.

Things are better when people speak their minds. Obviously there are limits here, it's not necessary or helpful to call someone a cunt because he won't contribute to a gift for the secretary's new baby, or because he thinks hit points are realistic. The answer comes back to the GMing advice I've offered many times before, that some of the most useful words you have are, "No, don't be stupid," and leave it at that with no further discussion, just leave them muttering angrily to themselves until they stop.

Like Clemenza said in The Godfather, "These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood." It's the internet, we're faster-paced now, so it's every few months.

Quote from: RPGPundit;664341I'm in no way saying it was just you; it takes two to tango; I think benoist is owning up to this in a way, acknowledging his own role in the conflict and choosing to bow out. I'm glad to hear you plan to do the same.

I dunno Pundit I'm pretty tired of it, he's rejoined the thread on realism while grandly ignoring anything I have to say. Irrational and foolish.

I'll be back when I'm back.

No harm to yourself for whom I have the greatest respect.

Quote from: The Traveller;664361I dunno Pundit I'm pretty tired of it, he's rejoined the thread on realism while grandly ignoring anything I have to say. Irrational and foolish.

Did you get the part where I said he has you on ignore?

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664360Yes.

When outright nastiness is banned, the ill feelings don't magically go away, things fester. Most of us have seen this in our workplace, a couple of co-workers go head-to-head, the boss steps in and says, "let's agree to disagree", and things are worse than they were before, everyone can feel the hostility, nasty gossip happens, sides are taken, and so on.

Things are better when people speak their minds.

I strongly agree. Clearly, though, there are better and worse ways to speak one's mind.

Quote from: Silverlion;664334I don't mind discussion or argument, but vitriol is unneeded.

How are the cushions holding up on the ol' fainting couch?

The funny thing is, my post that gave you such vapours was sarcastic, certainly, but vitriolic? Not by a fucking country mile.

Truth is, people who solicit the approval of others turn my stomach, so no, I'm not a fan of grubman and no, that doesn't speak particularly well of my own character. It's my flaw, and I own it for what it is. If you think that's going to change because you're clutching your pearls, however, fuckin' fugedaboutit.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664360When outright nastiness is banned, the ill feelings don't magically go away, things fester. . . . Things are better when people speak their minds.

There's truth in this.

Maybe I just have a thicker skin, but I don't expect to have my ass coddled on the intrewebs. I wrote a blog post awhile back, and to offer a criticism of my own point of view, I included a link to the following post here on theRPGsite.

Quote from: J Arcane;619652I've seen this definition twice now, and it remains the stupidest fucking distinction I've seen yet.

I'm not an orchid that wilts under a blast of cold air. One of the reasons I appreciate this site more than most is the straight-up criticism that gets dished out; bullshit gets called out as such faster and more thoroughly here than the other sites with which I'm personally familiar, and I see that as a good thing.

And if you don't like what I have to say or how I say it, the Ignore function works wonders. Indeed, I finally broke my own rule and put rincewind on it when he first popped up again, and lately added The Traveller as well, and not only did the signal-to-noise ratio jump significantly but now I only have to read about as third as many posts to get through a thread, so win-win.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664360Yes.

When outright nastiness is banned, the ill feelings don't magically go away, things fester. Most of us have seen this in our workplace, a couple of co-workers go head-to-head, the boss steps in and says, "let's agree to disagree", and things are worse than they were before, everyone can feel the hostility, nasty gossip happens, sides are taken, and so on.

Things are better when people speak their minds. Obviously there are limits here, it's not necessary or helpful to call someone a cunt because he won't contribute to a gift for the secretary's new baby, or because he thinks hit points are realistic. The answer comes back to the GMing advice I've offered many times before, that some of the most useful words you have are, "No, don't be stupid," and leave it at that with no further discussion, just leave them muttering angrily to themselves until they stop.

Like Clemenza said in The Godfather, "These things gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Helps to get rid of the bad blood." It's the internet, we're faster-paced now, so it's every few months.

I agree for the most part Kyle. But on the other hand - just because you can act like a Neanderthal, ought you act like a Neanderthal?

I'm not easily offended, and I have a rather thick skin. But there's crass humour, and there is the death of wit in words. I have little tolerance for louts, though I prefer now to their level. Was I a true British fop, I'd probably say now "This is why you don't let the working class in."

Quote from: jeff37923;664264Quoted For Truth

The saddest thing is, that perhaps he could've spoken something interesting, if he ever took off the Armour of Contempt, put down the Holy Word and just tried to talk, rather than come for validation how better he is than the rest of us.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;664379How are the cushions holding up on the ol' fainting couch?

I'm not an orchid that wilts under a blast of cold air. One of the reasons I appreciate this site more than most is the straight-up criticism that gets dished out; bullshit gets called out as such faster and more thoroughly here than the other sites with which I'm personally familiar, and I see that as a good thing.

And if you don't like what I have to say or how I say it, the Ignore function works wonders. Indeed, I finally broke my own rule and put rincewind on it when he first popped up again, and lately added The Traveller as well, and not only did the signal-to-noise ratio jump significantly but now I only have to read about as third as many posts to get through a thread, so win-win.

At this rate, you'll be talking to yourself in no time. I honestly don't know you from anyone, but the way you jumped on grubman for absolutely nothing makes you look like a real ass.

Quote from: danbuter;664404At this rate, you'll be talking to yourself in no time. I honestly don't know you from anyone, but the way you jumped on grubman for absolutely nothing makes you look like a real ass.

ayup.

Quote from: danbuter;664404At this rate, you'll be talking to yourself in no time.

Maybe.

Quote from: danbuter;664404At this rate, you'll be talking to yourself in no time.

Maybe so.

You're a real peach, Mike.

QuoteAs for the topic, I agree with the OP. That said, theRpgsite is like one of those nasty dives where you're as likely to catch syphilis as you are to get a shiv in the ribs, but you've heard that they have great atmosphere and somewhere deep down inside you are self destructive and want to live dangerously.

Yup. That's why I come here. Plus between the knife fights there's some nice people.

Want a sweet bbs, try mine. But stay here as well.