Quote from: Silverlion;664032That's fine, I imagine he'd have put it there himself if he'd realized.

Sure.

BV's post was before i moved it, just to give it a context. Like a lot of us, it was excessively hostile, but no-one promised an emotionally safe environment here.

I will note, however, that i think we've had fewer new members recently (who actually hang around and post) and the hostility rating has risen to 1.135387 on the shitometer.

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Curious. The version I always heard of this story was that it was the younger monk who carries the girl, which is a much more significant message.

The big issue is there is very little new blood. It's all the same guys repeating the same conversations over and over again. I enjoy it, but it does get monotonous.

And then if someone like grubman posts something, someone with a vendetta against him for some imaginary slight instantly jumps in and attacks him. No wonder new people post a few times and then leave.

Why stay somewhere that will just shit on you because you accidentally talk about something that all the old-timers have already hashed out 10 times because they are bored, or because one asshole will jump into every thread you start and attack you with no repercussions?

I agree, though, that it would be a good idea if people tried to tone down some of the persistent personal-grudge flamewars.  

Traveller, I'll specifically ask you to cut it out with Benoist, who has put you on ignore anyways.

RPGPundit

On this topic - I will admit to gradually drifting away from or sometimes intentionally staying away from both this forum and the SJG forums.

Mostly it was because too many folks just seem to want to attack and argue just for the sake of arguing - that can get pretty damn boring and tiresome. (This is on both forums)

There are at least 5 or 6 of you on here that I DO like discussing things with or reading your input - but too often the irritating assholes but in and stir things up into the wrong direction or drown out those that are contributing fun stuff.

My GURPS: Star Trek campaign is still going on ...and still trying my best to run a session every other week - averages out to two times a month, depending on the calender.  I would love to GM more often - but real life things like family, friends, work, dating, social life, and health problems often get in the way.

That means that  in my hobby life of gaming the extra stress of potentially pointless arguments is not thought of as 'fun'.

As for Pundit himself?

Generally speaking he's always been fair with me on here.

- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;664137On this topic - I will admit to gradually drifting away from or sometimes intentionally staying away from both this forum and the SJG forums.


- Ed C.

*twitch*

I used to lurk there.

*twitch*

Quote from: Piestrio;664139*twitch*

I used to lurk there.

*twitch*

What are your feelings on the overland hiking rules?

That thread and others there, like on rpg.net, are good examples of how there can be ill feelings without ill words. And here there can be ill words without ill feelings. For example, were Traveller at my game table, I would tell him to shut the fuck up and roll the dice, and I've no doubt he would, and in the end both he and I would be happy about the game session. But here he gets to indulge his "oh hello, I'd like to buy an argument," "No you wouldn't!" side.

Silverlion is focusing on the words rather than the feelings. Read between the lines, mate.

Quote from: Benoist;664038You mean objective like the 30 years war happened in the Middle-ages?

The marked problem I'm seeing personally is that it becomes incredibly hard to have any discussion on this forum without running into some jackass willing to go full-on stupid down the deep end of complete nonsense to declare some "victory" in his schizophrenic world and avoid the responsibility of actually being wrong at all.

I could do with less of this kind of teenage stubborn bullshit on the forums, guys.

Thank you.

The irony, she is thick like good Russian woman.

Yeah, I think I'm going to regroup on G+ at this point. So long guys. I suspect some of you will be declaring victory at this, completely missing the fact that it's exactly the kind of behavior that's part of the problem, but at least I'd find that amusing.

Quote from: danbuter;664114The big issue is there is very little new blood.

I wonder why.

Quote from: danbuter;664114It's all the same guys repeating the same conversations over and over again. I enjoy it, but it does get monotonous.

And the subject material has been so aggressively narrowly focused and defended that the same conversations are all you CAN engage in.

Quote from: danbuter;664114And then if someone like grubman posts something, someone with a vendetta against him for some imaginary slight instantly jumps in and attacks him. No wonder new people post a few times and then leave.

This entire forum was founded on a vendetta, and becoming a zealot to fight zealots.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664147Silverlion is focusing on the words rather than the feelings. Read between the lines, mate.

I had a clever dismissive remark for this, but fuck it, because this is a special kind of bullshit. By saying that words don't mean what the words mean you've rendered any foundation for discussion void, and can't be more of an apologist for the kind of bad behavior this site is known for.

Oh, and I DO read between the lines, and what I find is genuine hostility and defensiveness against new people and ideas. This is NOT the kind of insulting banter used and understood by a close group of friends. And new people who lack the familiarity to read between those lines are only going to see the words as they are anyway, which makes your point even more meaningless.

Leaving with same class as you arrived, Anon.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;664147What are your feelings on the overland hiking rules?

That thread and others there, like on rpg.net, are good examples of how there can be ill feelings without ill words. And here there can be ill words without ill feelings. For example, were Traveller at my game table, I would tell him to shut the fuck up and roll the dice, and I've no doubt he would, and in the end both he and I would be happy about the game session. But here he gets to indulge his "oh hello, I'd like to buy an argument," "No you wouldn't!" side.

Silverlion is focusing on the words rather than the feelings. Read between the lines, mate.

I don't understand what you mean. You mean passive - aggressive stuff?

Quote from: RPGPundit;664121I agree, though, that it would be a good idea if people tried to tone down some of the persistent personal-grudge flamewars.  

Traveller, I'll specifically ask you to cut it out with Benoist, who has put you on ignore anyways.

RPGPundit

Once again, I'm not the one following people around making backhanded snipes about realism. Consider it dropped, since he's got me on ignore at this stage.

Quote from: J Arcane;664149The irony, she is thick like good Russian woman.

Says the guy who keeps jumping in on conversations that have fuck all to do with him to take pot shots at me because somehow he's got a problem he can't get over.

You're right. The irony. It is thick.

As long as you claim a position where you're allowed to judge other's conduct, I'll continue to find utter mirth in the hypocrisy of it.

It's one of life's little burdens.

Quote from: J Arcane;664215As long as you claim a position where you're allowed to judge other's conduct, I'll continue to find utter mirth in the hypocrisy of it.

You mean like you are judging me now? Or when you kept judging people who were playing old school games until somehow you saw the light yourself so it never happened?

Sounds like someone needs to take a plank or two out of his own eye.

Hmmm yeah think I'm done with Black Vulmea. I consider Grubman a friend, have known him for a very long time.

As for the topic, I agree with the OP. That said, theRpgsite is like one of those nasty dives where you're as likely to catch syphilis as you are to get a shiv in the ribs, but you've heard that they have great atmosphere and somewhere deep down inside you are self destructive and want to live dangerously.