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Can we get a new forum for 4th ed D$D?

Started by shalvayez, March 10, 2009, 11:38:42 PM

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shalvayez

March 10, 2009, 11:38:42 PM
I'd like to read about real games, and not just pen and paper World Of Warcrack. PLEASE?
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Kyle Aaron

#1
March 11, 2009, 12:16:28 AM
We don't ghettoise games here, we just keep one as a pet.

Try rpg.net.
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shalvayez

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March 11, 2009, 01:45:00 AM
Been there, they 86ed all the cool people.
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March 11, 2009, 01:58:57 AM
Quote from: shalvayez;288308I'd like to read about real games, and not just pen and paper World Of Warcrack. PLEASE?

Most of the discussion about 4e here is butthurt by the butthurt squad. If you don't like 4e: Don't talk about it incessantly; Start threads about other games; Talk about games you do like.

It's as simple as that. Heck, I talk less about 4e than most of the posters on this site, and I actually play the damn game.
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David R

#4
March 11, 2009, 07:33:56 AM
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;288314We don't ghettoise games here, we just keep one as a pet.

Actually we do. All Forge or Forge influenced games. Now, since Mearls has admitted that some Forge ideas influenced the design of 4E...well maybe all 4E discussions should be carried out in OT.

:killingme:

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RPGPundit

#5
March 11, 2009, 01:43:31 PM
Quote from: David R;288373Actually we do. All Forge or Forge influenced games. Now, since Mearls has admitted that some Forge ideas influenced the design of 4E...well maybe all 4E discussions should be carried out in OT.

:killingme:

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Any real RPG, even if it is influenced by Forge theories, can be discussed on the main RPG forum.

FORGE THEORY is not a topic for discussion on the main forum, since it is a clearly discredited theory in violation of the Landmarks of roleplaying, and essentially a dogmatic quasi-religious ideological cult-propaganda device and not a legitimate theory for discussion.

Finally, games that are NOT real RPGs obviously don't belong in the main RPG section.  These are games like Monopoly, Chess, World of Warcraft, Sorcerer, My Life With Master, Tiddlywinks, Burning Wheel, football, Dogs in the Vinyard, hopscotch, "computer roleplaying", LARPing, Dread, Jenga, the Shab-al-hiri roach, or playing with yourself.

Just because you might call any of the above activities a "roleplaying game", doesn't mean that it actually is for the purposes of this forum. None of the games listed above actually do the things you're supposed to be doing in an RPG.

Is D&D 4e a roleplaying game? Barely. Some people might use it for roleplaying. Roleplaying might occur in a 4e game in between encounters and skill challenges.
It gets about as close to the frontier of the Landmarks as you can get; and I'm not sure if it doesn't break some of them.

But at least as of now, 4e is still something visibly closer to an RPG than anything the Forge has come out with, so it gets to stay. This is not a particularly great accomplishment: the old Heroquest boardgame, or World of Warcraft, both decidedly NOT RPGs, are still much closer to an RPG than anything the Forge has come out with either.

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March 11, 2009, 03:30:49 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;288446Finally, games that are NOT real RPGs obviously don't belong in the main RPG section.  These are games like Monopoly, Chess, World of Warcraft, Sorcerer, My Life With Master, Tiddlywinks, Burning Wheel, football, Dogs in the Vinyard, hopscotch, "computer roleplaying", LARPing, Dread, Jenga, the Shab-al-hiri roach, or playing with yourself.

How is Burning Wheel (or Sorcerer, or DitV) different from D&D, apart from crunch and that? Seriously, mate. There's a DM, there are some players that make some PCs, they roll dice and use exactly the same procedures that would be used in regular D&D. Talk about fucking gall.
QuoteJust because you might call any of the above activities a "roleplaying game", doesn't mean that it actually is for the purposes of this forum. None of the games listed above actually do the things you're supposed to be doing in an RPG.
One thing is to say "these games won't be discussed in this forum because I hate them." That's fine and dandy, man, you run this place however you want. But don't try to pass that bullcrap as a coherent reasoning. You don't need excuses.
QuoteIt gets about as close to the frontier of the Landmarks as you can get; and I'm not sure if it doesn't break some of them.
Your Landmarks are as arbitrary as the GNS model. So they don't mean shit.
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#8
March 11, 2009, 04:24:17 PM
NO, Just no.

D&D 4/e does not need a seperate forum. (Heck I still think 'politrics' should be re-merged into Off-Topic as well.)

It still has enough of a roleplaying game aspect to it - that the bunch I play with winds up doing plenty of roleplaying with it.


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March 11, 2009, 07:09:43 PM Last Edit: March 11, 2009, 07:15:59 PM by David R
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Quote from: RPGPundit;288446Any real RPG, even if it is influenced by Forge theories, can be discussed on the main RPG forum.

Cool. I see some of this is already happening, thanks to comrades AM and droog.

QuoteFORGE THEORY is not a topic for discussion on the main forum, since it is a clearly discredited theory in violation of the Landmarks of roleplaying, and essentially a dogmatic quasi-religious ideological cult-propaganda device and not a legitimate theory for discussion.

Quasi religious ideological cult-propaganda ? Says the guy who more or less questions if 4E is a roleplaying game but allows discussions of it simply because it's supposedly "closer to an rpg than anything the Forge has come up with".

QuoteJust because you might call any of the above activities a "roleplaying game", doesn't mean that it actually is for the purposes of this forum. None of the games listed above actually do the things you're supposed to be doing in an RPG.

Actually DitV and Burning Wheel [/] or any rpg in the above list seems more like an rpg than 4E. (Even though I think 4E is an rpg, you seem to think otherwise). and let's not forget that Burning Wheel was adopted by the Forge whereas, Mearls has been rather open that 4E has been influenced by these socalled discredited ideas....which seem to work for the vast majority who enjoy this new edition of D&D. Just sayin'

QuoteBut at least as of now, 4e is still something visibly closer to an RPG than anything the Forge has come out with, so it gets to stay. This is not a particularly great accomplishment: the old Heroquest boardgame, or World of Warcraft, both decidedly NOT RPGs, are still much closer to an RPG than anything the Forge has come out with either.

So anything which resembles an rpg but is not really an rpg but is not a Forge game can be discussed in the RPG section ?

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Aos

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March 11, 2009, 07:14:04 PM
It's nice to have you back David.
You are posting in a troll thread.

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shalvayez

#11
March 11, 2009, 07:52:29 PM
And Pundit gets the win with a satisfactory explanation. Now time for me to get some real RPGing in with my 63rd level Forsaken Death Knight.
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#12
March 11, 2009, 08:16:03 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;288446Just because you might call any of the above activities a "roleplaying game", doesn't mean that it actually is for the purposes of this forum. None of the games listed above actually do the things you're supposed to be doing in an RPG.
That's stupid. You're imposing your own ideology about gaming on discussions, knowing that if a thread's removed from the roleplaying subforum it's more likely to fizzle away.

Asking whether My Life With Master is "really an rpg" is like asking whether the Palestinians are "really an ethnic group, or are they just Arabs". They think they are, so they are. Likewise, if everyone playing something vaguely rpg-like think it's an rpg, then it is. It's certainly more an rpg than anything else.

Those Forger games are certainly crap rpgs, but they're rpgs, however you try to twist it, unless you really go crazy with the new definitions for old words in an elaborate theory that will really make you earn your nickname of Mirror Ron.

I realise that with lots of members you're now much more confident about therpgsite's existence, and reckon you can bin some people and their ideas with the site still being viable, and it's true - but I still think we ought to be inclusive rather than exclusive. Saying "good riddance to the people playing games we dislike" leads us to... well, rpg.net.

I want an rpg discussion site with a broad range of games and gamers, inclusive rather than exclusive. That means no ghettos, not in subforums or Off Topic.
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David R

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March 11, 2009, 08:28:49 PM Last Edit: March 11, 2009, 08:33:50 PM by David R
Quote from: Aos;288571It's nice to have you back David.

 Thanks. I can't seem to quit this place....*

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*So I'm stealing from Brokeback Mountain....I have a feeling that the Pundit is going to replay his greatest hits, so teh gay Blue Rose will some how crop up.....

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shalvayez

#14
March 11, 2009, 08:51:47 PM
So, we should engage in serious discussion of F.A.T.A.L., RaHoWa, and Hybrid, because, somebody out there considers them to be serious RPGs?
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