On RPG.net you posted:
QuoteYeah that's why I started my rpg site and message forum. I wanted an alternate place to discuss rpgs but not have to deal with the psychotic rants of a certain person on TheRPGSite and the rudeness.
I think with TheRPGSite people sign up, see the way people behave and then never come back. If you notice the number of active users keeps dropping and the same old people are posting.
(which, incidentally, is untrue. We have more active members than ever now)
and:
Quote(theRPGsite) pretty much is (a boys club)... And The RPG Lounge is NOT a boy's club
(which as I understand it was an edited version of a much more dire attack posted while I was on a plane over South America)
And now suddenly, just as you coincidentally open up your own little forums, you're suddenly posting here like a madman, on this forum you so despise, making criticisms at every turn while prominently displaying your new site in your .sig
So my question is, why the fuck shouldn't I ban you for being a spammer?
RPGPundit
Maybe (s)he's had a change of heart?
Quote from: RPGPunditOn RPG.net you posted:
(which, incidentally, is untrue. We have more active members than ever now)
and:
(which as I understand it was an edited version of a much more dire attack posted while I was on a plane over South America)
And now suddenly, just as you coincidentally open up your own little forums, you're suddenly posting here like a madman, on this forum you so despise, making criticisms at every turn while prominently displaying your new site in your .sig
So my question is, why the fuck shouldn't I ban you for being a spammer?
RPGPundit
Ok to cover both points:
Re: Psychotic rants of a certain person on TheRPGSite and the rudeness
I was refering to Nox- I am sure you thought I was talking about you and sorry, not everything is about you Pundit.
The edited message came across like a an attack on this site, which if you look at a post on rpg.net I admitted sounded bad and I corrected (see, a person can see his wrongs and correct it).
As for the spammer point, well I am not spamming. I am actually replying to threads and discussing. I am posting on rpg.net more as well. My site happens to be in my sig file. It's no more spamming for me to post with a site in my sig file then it is anyone else on this site who is posting with a site listed in their sig file.
If I was going forum by forum and posting messages that only said "Hey come to my site!" that is spam. Yes I am posting more but you should be happy, I am contributing to the site, I have added thread(s) and I am keeping the momentum going.
Blue Devil has started some interesting threads and posted relevant posts, she's no more a spammer than I am.
So, Blue Devil IS a "she" - and isn't like those 20 or so posters on the Big Purple & pink that use a female avatar when they're actually male ?
okay
You Fools, I am the spammer ! A spammer of Jorune . Our Time Has Come And We Shall....
("What, What do you mean this is not the appointed hour...well this is embarassing")
Okay, carry on .... Go RPGsite :cheerleader:
Regards,
David R
Quote from: KoltarSo, Blue Devil IS a "she" - and isn't like those 20 or so posters on the Big Purple & pink that use a female avatar when they're actually male ?
okay
I believe so, I could be wrong though, I tend not to keep track of poster's gender.
So, let me get this right, you are considering banning someone for something they said on another site...?!?!? I think that is the definition of irony.
Bill
Quote from: HinterWeltSo, let me get this right, you are considering banning someone for something they said on another site...?!?!? I think that is the definition of irony.
Bill
Maybe Pundit was thinking more along the "no spamming" lines.
I might be wrong, only Pundit himself can tell us what he was thinking.
- Ed C.
Quote from: HinterWeltSo, let me get this right, you are considering banning someone for something they said on another site...?!?!? I think that is the definition of irony.
Bill
Yeah, it is a bit rich isn't it? Still, i'm guessing that pundit believes that 'playing both sides' could be disruptive to this site in the form of keeping people away who would otherwise have visited or feeding the tension that already exists between the two sites.
Quote from: One Horse TownYeah, it is a bit rich isn't it? Still, i'm guessing that pundit believes that 'playing both sides' could be disruptive to this site in the form of keeping people away who would otherwise have visited or feeding the tension that already exists between the two sites.
He states his case poorly then. As for spamming, I have a link to my site in my sig and have been posting more lately (more than I should ;) ). I do not think that is the issue. Blue Devil just is not being "a good little soldier" and supporting the site. Personally, having looked over the thread in question, I find it mostly factual. Good and bad.
Now, to be clear, if Blue Devil had been posting "Join my RPG Site!!!" in every thread on the board then, yeah, that is spamming. Heck, even in one thread not on the topic of "Other Boards". But the key, here at least, is that we should not be banning people for what they do ELSEWHERE. Spam on theRPGSite then, yes, Ban Ban Ban!
Bill
Quote from: HinterWeltHe states his case poorly then. As for spamming, I have a link to my site in my sig and have been posting more lately (more than I should ;) ). I do not think that is the issue. Blue Devil just is not being "a good little soldier" and supporting the site. Personally, having looked over the thread in question, I find it mostly factual. Good and bad.
Well, I came to my conclusion apart from this thread and based largely on BD's activity elsewhere. Most folk are showing off something or another in their sig, and that's cool. It's different though when a person suddenly starts posting a lot of posts that, from where I'm sitting, either lack content or the poster doesn't honestly give a shit about the topic.
Maybe BD really wants to discuss RPG.net fora organization and really wants to know more about Unknown Armies, Exalted, old games folk still run, and other topics. I doubt it, given the number of one sentence responses (which tend to be low time investment questions to feed threads and spread advertisement at a minimum cost), but who knows.
Ah well, I'm biased anyway. Apparently I'm misquoting BD in some sort of sinister attempt to destroy her efforts. *shrug*
I think the bottom line, for me, is that there is a fundamental difference between posters who include links to material they work on in their sig but post in order to discuss RPGs and posters who post for the sake of getting people to look at their sig. The one I value the other I think of as a clever spammer.
I endorse every single point made in CW's above post and would like to run for VP in his presidential campaign.
I think someone is overreacting here...
This is getting really fucking sickening.
I don't thing BD is upto anything. I looked at recent posts and i don't see anything wrong with it.
pure paranoia.
I think its quite a fair question, when someone posts about how much they hate this site, and have a low to nonextant posting volume on here, then suddenly when they open their own forums start posting a LOT, mostly about how this site has "problems", and then post their own forum on their sig prominently.
If you are telling me, blue devil, that you are here not just to advertise, I will take that as truth, for now.
Nor is this about "what BD posted on the other forum", its about BD's activities and motives for being on THIS forum.
I do have to wonder, though, after what you said on RPG.net, why on earth you'd want to hang out here? Has your opinion suddenly changed, and now you like this site? I mean, that's got to be the reason, right, if you're not just here to parasitically troll for members for your little place?
RPGPundit
Pundit. Posts talking about banning people hurt the site, because they go against the philosophy of the site.
Seriously, you're not helping things here, drop the point.
If someone needs banning it will be obvious, there will be fuckloads of complaints, Nox didn't hit that threshold so BD obviously doesn't.
Also, this is the second time I've recently seen you hound someone to admit they're wrong (Cessna being the other one), you know it won't happen so why bother? Again, it just damages the site.
Put another way, fuck off already with the shall I ban x threads and the baiting of posters who also post on other fora. It fucks up the site's zen.
Quote from: BalbinusPundit. Posts talking about banning people hurt the site, because they go against the philosophy of the site.
Seriously, you're not helping things here, drop the point.
If someone needs banning it will be obvious, there will be fuckloads of complaints, Nox didn't hit that threshold so BD obviously doesn't.
Also, this is the second time I've recently seen you hound someone to admit they're wrong (Cessna being the other one), you know it won't happen so why bother? Again, it just damages the site.
Put another way, fuck off already with the shall I ban x threads and the baiting of posters who also post on other fora. It fucks up the site's zen.
:ditto:
Balbinus, I love you like a brother or something, but you're Just. Not. Getting it.
Pundy is only half getting it, which actually makes it worse.
It's hilarious.
Poster BlueDevil has no convictions about the rpgsite, about rpg.net, Unknown Armies, Star Wars or what have you. No agenda, no convictions, whether positive or negative. None.
The only conviction poster Blue Devil has is that he must generate a maximum number of clicks on his sig. If that means dissing therpgsite, fine. If that means posting the obvious on therpgsite, fine too.
It's not an agenda, Pundy. It's just spam draped in inanity.
Quote from: BalbinusPundit. Posts talking about banning people hurt the site, because they go against the philosophy of the site.
Word. If it's a free for all, let it be a free for all. Even if Blue Devil has a hidden agenda, well, he or she would hardly be the only one...
Quote from: BalbinusAlso, this is the second time I've recently seen you hound someone to admit they're wrong (Cessna being the other one), you know it won't happen so why bother? Again, it just damages the site.
On this we disagree. If the site's "zen" is that you can say whatever you'd like here and that you and your posts stand on their own merits, then that should be applicable across the board.
Seanchai
I say ban him for not really being a girl and don't let him back until he changes his icon to an enormous cock.
QuoteOn this we disagree. If the site's "zen" is that you can say whatever you'd like here and that you and your posts stand on their own merits, then that should be applicable across the board.
Except in the Pundit's case he's not a regular user or at least in this thread he's not. In his OP he asked BD to give him reasons why he shouldn't ban her. So it applies across the board if we all have the power to ban other users.
Regards,
David R
Quote from: David RExcept in the Pundit's case he's not a regular user or at least in this thread he's not.
That's a good point. His actions create de facto policy. Is posting with suspected hidden motives to be against the rules now?
Seanchai
Quote from: SeanchaiThat's a good point. His actions create de facto policy. Is posting with suspected hidden motives to be against the rules now?
Seanchai
That was sort of my point, that said, I was exercising my own unfettered speech here to suggest he stopped using his like a knob.
This is tantamount to banning someone because you don't think their posts contribute to the site, because you will never be able to prove the motives.
I'm not going to ban Blue Devil, if BD is participating in this site in good faith, even if she-he has a (regular sized) sig with another forum's address on it.
To clear up, there is absolutely nothing wrong with putting the address of a forum that you either like or own in your sig. You're welcome to do so. We welcome the presence of other fora and wish them all well.
The question here is just whether BD actually has any other interest in being here, of if what BD is doing is JUST advertising. In which case, BD would be a spammer.
That said, at this time I feel satisfied that BD is not being disruptive at this time. I may have worded my initial post too harshly, having been in a grumpy mood because of other factors.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPunditThe question here is just whether BD actually has any other interest in being here, of if what BD is doing is JUST advertising. In which case, BD would be a spammer.
Aside from telepathy, how would you really determine from Blue Devil's posts if he or she were here for just advertising?
Seanchai
Personally, I didn't even notice the RPG Lounge sig until this thread opened up.
Good advertising.
Quote from: Tommy BrownellPersonally, I didn't even notice the RPG Lounge sig until this thread opened up.
Good advertising.
There's no such thing as bad PR. ;)
Even if Blue Devil is posting simply to promote their own rpg discussion site, so what? Don't you believe in a free market? You don't like competition? Are you some kind of fucking commie mutant traitor? May the best forum win!
Quote from: RPGPundit........ having been in a grumpy mood because of other factors.
RPGPundit
Think some of us should be used to others getting grumpy occassionally - even Pundit getting grumpy. If I do another character sheet for you - I'm putting that on there - 1 quirk "sometimes grumpy".
Hey, we're all human...even those of us that sometimes wear alien foreheads.
- Ed C.
Quote from: SeanchaiAside from telepathy, how would you really determine from Blue Devil's posts if he or she were here for just advertising?
Seanchai
Three factors come into play here:
1. What BD had said and BD's attitude toward the site before getting his/her own forum.
2. The quality of BD's posts on here.
3. What BD him/herself claims.
In this case, Number 1 is pretty damning, number 2 is in question (a number of posters seemed to feel that BD is just posting "filler" to draw attention to the sig), but BD took the time to answer number 3 calmly (more calmly than some others on this thread). So as of right now, I'm inclined to accept BD's word.
RPGPundit
Quote from: JimBobOzEven if Blue Devil is posting simply to promote their own rpg discussion site, so what? Don't you believe in a free market? You don't like competition? Are you some kind of fucking commie mutant traitor? May the best forum win!
Dude, I ALREADY SAID that I have NO PROBLEM with people putting other forums/sites on their sig, whether they own it, or just think its neat. I'm all for the proliferation of gaming fora (preferably ones that aren't fucked up by the Swine... but that's neither here nor there for the purposes of this conversation).
I just don't want there to be a rash of people who are basically only here to spam/shill for another site. IF that's all someone is doing, then that's no different than someone spamming for a viagra webpage, penny stocks, or italian porn.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPunditI just don't want there to be a rash of people who are basically only here to spam/shill for another site. IF that's all someone is doing, then that's no different than someone spamming for a viagra webpage, penny stocks, or italian porn.
And yet the regular spammers are easy to spot. There's no question about them.
So, let that be your guideline: if you're not sure if they're just here to shill, then they probably aren't. No need for this sort of thread.
Not that my opinions matter much here, but if I could make a suggestion: if there is a question of a poster's motives or behavior, I'd try to hash it out via PM's first. If that proves inconclusive, then these Public Notice threads may be in order. Generally I do like being informed as to what Pundit's thinking is as far as admin actions, but these calling out threads do tend to become witch-hunts (and that's not an RPGsite problem, its an internet problem).
-Pete
Quote from: RPGPunditThree factors come into play here:
1. What BD had said and BD's attitude toward the site before getting his/her own forum.
2. The quality of BD's posts on here.
3. What BD him/herself claims.
None of which are definitive. If someone posts an advertisement for Cialis, clearly they're spamming. Outside of that and psychic powers, how would you
really know if someone was spamming? Moreover, if the "zen" of this site is unfettered discussion, then it seems to me that the moderators should be pretty darn certain a person is spamming before taking action (which would include, to my mind, a public post such as this one).
The problem with psychic moderation is that if it's the standard, everyone will begin to report posts based on guesses and assumptions rather than what actually happened...
Seanchai
Quote from: MoriartyNot that my opinions matter much here, but if I could make a suggestion: if there is a question of a poster's motives or behavior, I'd try to hash it out via PM's first.
What?? And stop the painfully embarrassing "Judge Judy" style public dispension of justice? Fuck no! This is some seriously entertaining stuff right here. :D
The verdict:
(http://www.crystalinks.com/qstartrek.jpg)
"Blue Devil, I will allow you to stay. But I will be watching you!"
Quote from: Andy KWhat?? And stop the painfully embarrassing "Judge Judy" style public dispension of justice? Fuck no! This is some seriously entertaining stuff right here. :D
The verdict:
(http://www.crystalinks.com/qstartrek.jpg)
I always wondered what The Pundit looked like and know I know :)
Yeah...he's the little gargoyle head with wings in gold...there's one on either side of Q there....
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a383/Rotwang/pndt.jpg)
No, he looks like this.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a383/Rotwang/pndt.jpg)
No, he looks like this.
Ok, that's just weird :)
Quote from: Blue DevilOk, that's just weird :)
Blue Devil, have you met Doc Rotwang? Doc, Blue Devil. I'll let you get to know each other while I freshen your drinks.
-clash
Quote from: flyingmiceBlue Devil, have you met Doc Rotwang? Doc, Blue Devil. I'll let you get to know each other while I freshen your drinks.
-clash
Oh I see, after meeting him this wont look so weird? :)
Regarding Blue Devil's comments on another site, I think his/her reaction to posters like Nox can be expected from most sane people. If ThrRPGsite is to be a haven for such posters, we can expect similar posts from many people. It comes with the territory.
Regarding Blue Devil as a spammer, I understand what Pundit is trying to get at here, and even suspect that his reservations about Blue Devil may well be mostly correct, BUT I do not know this for a fact. Since I don't know, I am willing to give him/her th benefit of the doubt.
That is what it all really comes down to. We can't really know Blue Devil's motives. Maybe he/she is simply a low content and high volume poster with a sig(and she would not be the only one), or she is a "SUPER SECRET SPAMMER." We can't tell, and trying to call people out like this will just start a snipe hunt.
If such inquiry must be done, I would politely request Pundit conduct such inquiries by PM.
If on the other hand, folks just want a good old fashion inquisition, lets do this right! [Spanish Inquisition Voice] Blue Devil, are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Camarilla? [/Spanish Inquisition Voice]
Quote from: ConanMKRegarding Blue Devil's comments on another site, I think his/her reaction to posters like Nox can be expected from most sane people. If ThrRPGsite is to be a haven for such posters, we can expect similar posts from many people. It comes with the territory.
Regarding Blue Devil as a spammer, I understand what Pundit is trying to get at here, and even suspect that his reservations about Blue Devil may well be mostly correct, BUT I do not know this for a fact. Since I don't know, I am willing to give him/her th benefit of the doubt.
Which is exactly what the RPG Pundit has said and for some reason this thread continues. I am not a spammer and I made that clear.
The other point RPGPundit talked about has been clear. Personally (I am not a mod, I cannot make that discission) I think this thread should be locked and allowed to die.
Quote from: ConanMKThat is what it all really comes down to. We can't really know Blue Devil's motives. Maybe he/she is simply a low content and high volume poster with a sig(and she would not be the only one), or she is a "SUPER SECRET SPAMMER." We can't tell, and trying to call people out like this will just start a snipe hunt.
If such inquiry must be done, I would politely request Pundit conduct such inquiries by PM.
As I said I am not a spammer. I have tried to improve my posts so they have more content and contribute more.
Quote from: ConanMKIf on the other hand, folks just want a good old fashion inquisition, lets do this right! [Spanish Inquisition Voice] Blue Devil, are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Camarilla? [/Spanish Inquisition Voice]
No I haven't. The Camarilla are dogs! ;)
I dunno. I think that Blue Devil has been more than civil and interesting enough in the RPG forum. Frankly, picking nits at what he (or she, I dunno) said once somewhere else is kind of paranoid and kind of stupid.
Look, I rarely call out Pundit on anything he does because that's not my thing. You know? I'm here for the shop talk and the occasional nerd topic drift. That said, this thread registers to me as really fucking useless.
Hi, Blue Devil. I'm glad you're around. See you in the RPG forum.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!I dunno. I think that Blue Devil has been more than civil and interesting enough in the RPG forum. Frankly, picking nits at what he (or she, I dunno) said once somewhere else is kind of paranoid and kind of stupid.
Look, I rarely call out Pundit on anything he does because that's not my thing. You know? I'm here for the shop talk and the occasional nerd topic drift. That said, this thread registers to me as really fucking useless.
Hi, Blue Devil. I'm glad you're around. See you in the RPG forum.
Thank you. It's cool, Pundit said he may have gone off a little more then he should because of certain stresses and I understand that.
I will be balancing my time between here and my place (I am trying to build up features and whatnot). If you ever do a podcast I have created a podcast page and I would be more then happy to host it for you and you are welcome to stop by.
Thanks again
Quote from: Blue DevilThank you. It's cool, Pundit said he may have gone off a little more then he should because of certain stresses and I understand that.
I will be balancing my time between here and my place (I am trying to build up features and whatnot). If you ever do a podcast I have created a podcast page and I would be more then happy to host it for you and you are welcome to stop by.
Thanks again
Best. Post. Ever! :D
Quote from: Blue DevilIf you ever do a podcast I have created a podcast page and I would be more then happy to host it for you and you are welcome to stop by.
Thanks again
Excellent! I will come to you then. Thank you very much.
The podcast is actually almost done; if not for wife and toddler and size of home and shape of schedule, it'd be done by now. It has original music and everything.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Excellent! I will come to you then. Thank you very much.
No problem. Trying to get the podcast page going, trying to get the blogger pages going and trying to get the reviews section going.
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!The podcast is actually almost done; if not for wife and toddler and size of home and shape of schedule, it'd be done by now. It has original music and everything.
Excuses, Excuses :)