I was just making a joke about how people always react that way in movies. Not really trying to imply anything.

Edit: by the way, who are Murphy and York?

Quote from: James McMurrayI was just making a joke about how people always react that way in movies. Not really trying to imply anything.

Edit: by the way, who are Murphy and York?

Audie Murphy was the most decorated american soldier in WWII, just a short under-educated hick from the back woods who went on to star in a few Hollywood films before his death. Red Badge of Courage, and the Audie Murphy story being two I know for sure.

Sgt. York is more famous for being a 'name' bandied about by people rather than his story (despite another movie being made about him), was a... west virginian?  hill country hick who found God just before WWI drafted him.  Was in the 82nd Infantry Division (All Americans), and single handedly captured 128 German Soldiers in one battle after his unit was ambushed and the primary leaders slain. He won the Medal of Honor for that act, despite his deep seated convictions that killing was a sin.  An all around nice fellow, supposedly and a cool killer under fire.  I've seen a photo of him, he's rather tall and weedy looking too now that I think about it.

Edit: Again, thanks to Willard: York was from Tenessee. No Irony this time, my first guess was Kentucky.  Must remember to look these things up. On the other hand 128 right, but doesn't count the 4 officers, which are accounted seperately. SIngle handed is traditional hyperbole, and I make no apology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy

QuoteShortly after his 18th birthday in June 1942, Murphy was finally accepted into the United States Army, after first being turned down by the Marines and the paratroopers for being underweight and of slight build.

You can bet your ass the Marines are still kicking themselves over that one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sgt._York

QuoteHis conversion supposedly led him to file as a conscientious objector at the start of World War I,

Thanks for the intel folks!

Quote from: James McMurrayThanks for the intel folks!

No charge.

Here's someone else to check out.

Bad. Mother. Fuckers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Hayes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Smith

Quote from: T-WillardNo charge.

Here's someone else to check out.

Bad. Mother. Fuckers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Hayes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Smith

Damn you, man. I'm crying now.  

SFC Smith always gets to me for some reason.

I'm always left wondering 'what the fuck?' when these kinds of threads come up. Not by the results but by what I see other gamers saying and I wonder why things are so different.

Throughout my entire gaming lifespan, which is about... coming up on 22 years or so now, I have never, ever, in all the RPG groups I have been affiliated with or associated with (in this country) run into as many gung ho, more right wing, flag waving gamers as I have online (apart from US members of the Camarilla when I was a member of that).

Can the US gamer demographic really be that fundamentally different to the UK or European one? Over here I'd say our demographic is more like 95% 'liberal'/arts (I hesitate to use the term liberal since it's distorted out of all sense in the US) and the kinds of voices I see in forums like this, or RPGnet, or a distinct and vanishingly small minority.

I know that's off topic, maybe I'll make a different thread on it somewhere, but the replies on this thread really hit it home again.  I'd be curious to see how UK or other European respondents would answer to a similar poll as well.

Quote from: GRIMI'm always left wondering 'what the fuck?' when these kinds of threads come up. Not by the results but by what I see other gamers saying and I wonder why things are so different.

Throughout my entire gaming lifespan, which is about... coming up on 22 years or so now, I have never, ever, in all the RPG groups I have been affiliated with or associated with (in this country) run into as many gung ho, more right wing, flag waving gamers as I have online (apart from US members of the Camarilla when I was a member of that).

Can the US gamer demographic really be that fundamentally different to the UK or European one? Over here I'd say our demographic is more like 95% 'liberal'/arts (I hesitate to use the term liberal since it's distorted out of all sense in the US) and the kinds of voices I see in forums like this, or RPGnet, or a distinct and vanishingly small minority.

I know that's off topic, maybe I'll make a different thread on it somewhere, but the replies on this thread really hit it home again.  I'd be curious to see how UK or other European respondents would answer to a similar poll as well.

Eh.  I find quite a few gamers are liberal/artsy types too. But online you do get the louder, more gung-ho types.  This leads to a chicken/egg senario. Are they louder and more gung-ho because they are online? Or is it the online thing that attracts the louder gung-ho crowd?

Me? I'm strictly a product of my environment. Cannabalistic predatory lightning powered psuedo-mammal that I am.   If I was a liberal/artsy sort, i wouldn't have survived the first day  past budding.

What the fuck indeed- where was the gung ho flag waving?

Quote from: AosWaht the fuck indeed- where was the gung ho flag waving?

Not here, but I've seen it elsewhere (particularly on a T2K mailing list I used to be on).

Quote from: GRIMCan the US gamer demographic really be that fundamentally different to the UK or European one?

Yes.

Quote from: GRIMCan the US gamer demographic really be that fundamentally different to the UK or European one?

Ye Gods, I hope so.

Quote from: SpikeDamn you, man. I'm crying now.  

SFC Smith always gets to me for some reason.

This'll cheer you up

And we're Anglicans, sweet, fluffy and inoffensive.  Honest

Quote from: Hastur T. FannonThis'll cheer you up

And we're Anglicans, sweet, fluffy and inoffensive.  Honest

Well, that does cheer me up a bit.  Of course, I still like the body count info from Mogadishu at the end of Black Hawk Down.  Hollywood had fun with the movie, but when you look at the real numbers you realize that it's not all smoke and mirrors. Well trained, motivated soldiers chewed through the mobs... absolutely chewed through them.  


As for Angelicans....
:eyepop:

York reminded me of a guy I read about growing up, and saw in person a couple of years ago, and watched a documentory on him as well.

Desmond Doss was working in a shipyard at the start of WWII and could have been defered just for that, joined up anyway. He was a conscientious objector so they were going to put him in a paperwork batallian with the quakers and such, but he insisted on going to the front as a medic. Guy forced them to downgrade the number of people he was credited with saving for his Medal citation.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss

Even with YoZ with civ's picking up guns, I think a char like Doss could still be worth playing.