Quote from: Benoist;575410Aren't you supposed to have left the site like ... forever and ever? Is that an echo I'm hearing from afar?

I never claimed to leave forever and ever. I just left.

And I'll leave again when I want to.

Quote from: gleichman;575413And I'll leave again when I want to.

Just let me know if I can help to make this happen. I'll be happy to.

I'd be leery about 'hawk+sky' but as far as hiding behind the illusion, I don't have a problem with that.

If you are standing in an empty room and you create an illusion of the wardrobe, it would have to block 'line of sight' to the wall.  If the caster then steps behind the wardrobe, it would block line of sight to him as well.   At least, until someone recognizes it as an illusion.

Quote from: gleichman;575412It's magic, and as such it operates as the rules controlling the said magic says it does. Those rules may or may not be rational.

In this case, to me- it's clear that a figment spell fails when ever it would interfere with an observer seeing something he would consider important. Like the warrior hiding behind a Figment Apple Tree, or a trap door under the rug. In such cases, for the viewer- the magic just fails because it's not powerful enough.

That is one interpretation. But who's to say that a trap door is important to someone who doesn't know  it exists? What's more is that it has to be able to be placed somewhere and no matter where you place an image something is going to be behind it/under it/etc. I interpret it as meaning I can't hide my hippogriff by making it look like a hawk, meaning I can't jsut warp what my mount and I look like. Instead I created a big ass screen that had a hawk and the sky behind it.

Quote from: MGuy;575401Sigh.. You can put up a screen around yourself. I don't need the image to be over me I can put it in front of me like a sheet. That sheet can look like anything I want it to look like and not be see through. SO all I have to do is paint a flying hawk over clear blue sky. Obviously someone here never played an illussionist.

So a big blue tarp with a moving painting of a hawk on it...how is that going to cast a shadow of a hawk as you intended?  That's going to cast the shadow of a tarp.

Quote from: jeff37923;571740There is a high flying hawk above you that you see.

Quote from: jeff37923;572986The hawk has banked is following you in your flight.  Panzerkraken, it is your move.

This isn't the "DaVinci quality painting of an empty hallway to cover a door" crap, this is a non-transparent blue sheet with a hawk on it.

Whether or not you can even move the sheet and move the hawk on the sheet as the same illusion is debatable in itself.

Not to mention any chances for PanzerKraken to see the sun blotted out by a blue sheet instead of a hawk.  Since you were above him.  

I have lots of experience with Illusions, back when you actually had to be good with them, because they were in their own class.  Thinking a low-level illusion can do more then it can, is classic n00bsauce.

Quote from: CRKrueger;575418So a big blue tarp with a moving painting of a hawk on it...how is that going to cast a shadow of a hawk as you intended?  That's going to cast the shadow of a tarp.





This isn't the "DaVinci quality painting of an empty hallway to cover a door" crap, this is a non-transparent blue sheet with a hawk on it.

Whether or not you can even move the sheet and move the hawk on the sheet as the same illusion is debatable in itself.

Not to mention any chances for PanzerKraken to see the sun blotted out by a blue sheet instead of a hawk.  Since you were above him.  

I have lots of experience with Illusions, back when you actually had to be good with them, because they were in their own class.  Thinking a low-level illusion can do more then it can, is classic n00bsauce.

That wasn't my call. If you're going to bug out about how jeff made the call I'm sure he has a complaint box somewhere. I also am sure that I stuffed it full.

Anyways work time.

Quote from: MGuy;575411The range of the spell is Lon range in my case its 800ft (400+40ft/level) which is within the areas I was moving. The size of the image can't be bigger than the dimensions you bolded. And I already said this but if you assume that you can't hide anything behind an image then you literally can't make an image of anything anywhere. My image is the hawk + the sky. Not just the hawk to cover everything.

"You can move the image within the limits of the size of the effect."

see the part of the spell description where it says "effect"

also compare with the description of major image

QuoteAlso, if you know the image isn't real it becomes transparent so you can see through it.

yes, that is true.

Quote from: Benoist;575414Just let me know if I can help to make this happen. I'll be happy to.

Can't handle people disagreeing with you huh? Would rather they go away and leave your excesses unchallenged.

Must be rough.

I have a suggestion that might help, you could post to threads with a non-admin account so that I could put you in my ignore list. It would assist you greatly in this matter.

Quote from: MGuy;575419That wasn't my call.

Fair enough.  But since you're not contesting the assertions that it was an incorrect one, I wonder how that would have changed your attack plan?

Quote from: gleichman;575422Can't handle people disagreeing with you huh? Would rather they go away and leave your excesses unchallenged.

Must be rough.

Not really. I just wish I could help you.

Quote from: gleichman;575422I have a suggestion that might help, you could post to threads with a non-admin account so that I could put you in my ignore list. It would assist you greatly in this matter.

Hm. Can't handle people disagreeing with you?
How many do you have on your ignore list now?

Quote from: MGuy;575417That is one interpretation. But who's to say that a trap door is important to someone who doesn't know  it exists?

You're trying to make magic rational again. By the RAW in this case, it's not. And as someone playing by RAW in this case, you'd just have to suck it up.

Quote from: Benoist;575424Not really. I just wish I could help you.

That was not the implication of what you wrote- and you know it.

Quote from: Benoist;575424Hm. Can't handle people disagreeing with you?
How many do you have on your ignore list now?

I read everyone I have on my ignore list. It merely serves as a reminder to me that the person isn't worth replying to.

Quote from: gleichman;575426That was not the implication of what you wrote- and you know it.

You're a mind reader too? Awesome!

Quote from: gleichman;575426I read everyone I have on my ignore list. It merely serves as a reminder to me that the person isn't worth replying to.

OK. Good to know for later reference. If it's any consolation, I'll have you know that, just as you cannot put me on your ignore list, I actually don't use the ignore feature of the site myself. That'd run contrary to my role as moderator on the site. So if you have to suffer my own posts (I'm sorry about that), rest assured that I do have to suffer yours as well. Namaste.

Quote from: Benoist;575429You're a mind reader too? Awesome! .

Dude, it doesn't take a mindreader to understand that when

Person A Says: I'll leave when I want to
Person B replys: Let me know I can make that happen

Is being an ass. That's like a core english idiom that nearly everyone knows.

Quote from: Benoist;575429OK. Good to know for later reference. If it's any consolation, I'll have you know that, just as you cannot put me on your ignore list, I actually don't use the ignore feature of the site myself. That'd run contrary to my role as moderator on the site. So if you have to suffer my own posts (I'm sorry about that), rest assured that I do have to suffer yours as well. Namaste.

Hmm, shouldn't that be "I don't have to suffer yours as well".

In truth, you could put me on ignore and just respond to reports of misbehavior. It's your choice to handle it the way you're doing.

Quote from: gleichman;575436Dude, it doesn't take a mindreader to understand that when

Person A Says: I'll leave when I want to
Person B replys: Let me know I can make that happen

Is being an ass. That's like a core english idiom that nearly everyone knows.

You can kill people with your brain too, right?

Quote from: gleichman;575436Hmm, shouldn't that be "I don't have to suffer yours as well".

In truth, you could put me on ignore and just respond to reports of misbehavior. It's your choice to handle it the way you're doing.

Way to misread a post! It takes a special kind of mind reader to develop such skill.