The class balance thread (let's try to keep this one trolling free)

[Lord Mistborn]

All you are doing lord mistborn is asserting that all other playstyles result in Gms playing the monsters the way you expect monsters to be played in D&D. This is a silly notion.

Listen this is like the Bone Devil. The Designers never intened to the Pit Fiend to fight the way I'm proposing, they just didn't think things all the way through when they decided that monsters should have spells useable as many times as they want. Now my interpertation is that Devils are very smart and to represent this in the most logical way they should be played in the way that is most likely to kill the players. This isn't something most DMs are willing to do. Like MGuy said I think people on this forum somtimes seem like they feel entitled to have the monsters charge right into sword range even if that's not the most viable tactic. That's even more unreaistic than anything Kaelik suggested with the Bone Devil or I suggested fror the Pit Fiend. Just because a thing is unrealistic doesn't stop it from happeing in people game though.

[Bedrockbrendan]

So you acknowledge now that playstyle very much impacts how the monster will use its abilties. Great lets move on to something else then.

[Lord Mistborn]

So you acknowledge now that playstyle very much impacts how the monster will use its abilties. Great lets move on to something else then.

ahem

Giant post not about Pit Fiends

[Bedrockbrendan]

Listen this is like the Bone Devil. The Designers never intened to the Pit Fiend to fight the way I'm proposing, they just didn't think things all the way through when they decided that monsters should have spells useable as many times as they want.  

And people have shown demonstrably that in 2E the abilities that a pitfiend has doesn't automatically produce the outcome you are advancing here. I agree they are super opponents to fight. But you keepassuming everything goes the pitfiends way no matter how many times people correct your understanding of the 2E rules, What is more, they are meant to be a signiifcant threat to a party. There is no reason to assume they didn't expect GMs to use these abilities in any number of ways. These are creatures from the nine hells after all.

[Bedrockbrendan]

ahem

I am sorry Lm but your calls to keep the thread free of trolling or derailment ring a bit hollow at this point.

Especially when you make a post about moving on from pitfiend but then follow it up with another post about pitfiend.

[Lord Mistborn]

And people have shown demonstrably that in 2E the abilities that a pitfiend has doesn't automatically produce the outcome you are advancing here. I agree they are super opponents to fight. But you keepassuming everything goes the pitfiends way no matter how many times people correct your understanding of the 2E rules, What is more, they are meant to be a signiifcant threat to a party. There is no reason to assume they didn't expect GMs to use these abilities in any number of ways. These are creatures from the nine hells after all.

Just like the bone devil there has come a point where this need to stop and this is it

Now

Giant post not about Pit Fiends

Lets get this thread back on track

[Bedrockbrendan]

Lets get this thread back on track

this thread never was on track.

[Lord Mistborn]

this thread never was on track.

Does that mean that my point about theRPGsite being unable to have a discussion about class balance has been proven.

[Bedrockbrendan]

Does that mean that my point about theRPGsite being unable to have a discussion about class balance has been proven.

No, it means my point about you being a troll has been proven (again and again over the course of this thread).

[One Horse Town]

There is no track to get back onto - your great summation said nothing other than repeating some stuff you've read on the internet and trolling a couple of people who said stuff you found funny.

You're hitting way too many buttons for it to be unintentional.

Closed.