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Author Topic: Street Fighter: The Storytelling Game "retro clone" [World Warrior]  (Read 258 times)

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So, I was debating whether to post this, but seeing as I keep coming back to it in my head (and inspired by BoxCrayonTale’s project to retro clone the World of Darkness, I figured I would make my own topic to use as an idea board.  Anyway...


Street Fighter: The Storytelling Game was released by White Wolf in 1994, and used the same system as their then current World of Darkness products. While the concept of the creators of Vampire: The Masquerade making an arcade fighting game into a tabletop game seemed weird (and still gets confused looks from people to this day), from reading reviews and articles, and speaking with people that have played the game (sometimes in campaigns that lasted years), the system seemed to work very well… once you got accustomed to it. The combat system is rather interesting. To mimic the arcade game, combat takes place on a grid. Each character has a chosen martial arts style that the player can spend experience on to learn new techniques, and the techniques are chosen during each Round of combat secretly. Characters then act in order from lowest initiative to highest, with faster characters able to interrupt actions.

The original game has been out of print for 25 years (though there is the fan-made ‘20th Anniversary Edition’ released a few years ago). And the combat system inspired Burn Legend, an alternate setting for Exalted.

Purpose:
The concept of a “retro clone” (I use that loosely here) would be not to recreate a 100% authentic version of the original game, but to take the elements of what worked, take some of the streamlining that occurred in Burn Legend, and design an alternate version of the Storytelling System that captures that same feel as the original game.

For now, I am calling it "World Warrior" until something better comes along.

Goals:

    • Rewrite the rule system for copyright reasons
    • Create a new default setting, and possibly a starting city with adventure ideas, characters, etc.
    • Create a system to build martial arts styles and techniques and use this to rebuild all the styles and techniques from the ground up (rather than port over said items wholesale from SF).
    • Begin with a handful of techniques and build 2 styles for in-house play test purposes. Increase to 5 styles. Repeat. Final draft should have 10-20 styles.

Other Ideas to Think About:

D6 Dice Pools? Convert the dice pool from D10 to D6, both to distance the game from the Storyteller System (since there is no SRD) and because its easier to acquire D6’s than D10’s. [This isn’t something set in stone, but it IS something that I keep coming back to. For now I plan to continue forward with it being a D10 system as not to fully remove it from being a Storyteller retro clone.

Lore Sheets? Design Lore Sheets (Story Sheets?) as an addition to the game, as done in previous games Weapons of the Gods and Legends of the Wulin. Instead of acting as character knowledge and have redundant generic sheets included, each Lore Sheet would be for personal story arcs. It would still include knowledge on various specific subjects (persons, places, things, organizations, etc) but the point of them would be to have players invest in their characters and find cool things they want to do, but connecting with the setting.

Campaign World Concept
The core idea behind the game is capturing the feel of arcade fighting games from the early 90’s. I would expand this to also cover beat-em-up’s like Final Fight. The World would not be a 100% accurate depiction of our world, but rather the kind of alternate history-type world that seemed to exist in those games at the time.

Some immediate ideas:

    • Corporations that have their own private military forces, and are (usually) up to no good. (Robocop, Killer Instinct)
    • Dystopian cities with massive amounts of gangs, ninja clans, and martial arts masters (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Final Fight, Double Dragon, etc)
    • The reason for the explosion in martial arts is due to the banning of firearms. This led to an increase in people learning martial arts. Eventually, tournaments began to be held everywhere, and businesses profited from the increased tourism.
    • Rival martial arts schools having wars in the streets, martial artists seeking legendary masters and ancient styles and techniques, cults attempting to wipe out their enemies, etc.

Martial arts styles, organizations, etc will be fictional. This is because I don’t want to have to do a pile of research on real world styles (which would probably be picked apart anyway by practicing members). The styles can also reflect the world better, and be tied into various cultures, characters, and help to flesh out the World.


Obviously, as I continue to slowly work on this, elements above will change or be discarded. I will continue to post as I tackle each section and work through how the system will proceed. For right now, I just wanted to throw this out there and see if anyone has any thoughts.

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Re: Street Fighter: The Storytelling Game "retro clone" [World Warrior]
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2020, 01:26:05 am »
As for organizational changes to the game, I would like to make everything have indexes and basic rules charts so that you don't need to skim the entire book to find what you need.

Basic Rules Chart: I would like to have a summary of the basic rules system on one page as a quick reference for those that have never played before.

Combat Rules Chart: Likewise, I would like to have a page dedicated to a summary of how combat works on a single page so that players can start there to wrap their head around how combat functions.

Technique Index: The original book had all techniques grouped by their type, and then alphabetical within those sections... This made it a pain to look up. Rather, I would like to reorganize it so that there are boxed text that list the techniques within their types, but then just have all techniques within alphabetical order. The Boxed Text would have the page number for each technique for quick reference then. Just something that bugged me about the original book.

There would also be quick reference charts for character creation, lore sheets (if I include them in the game), and really, anything else I can think of.

One section that would definitely need an overhaul is the gamemaster section. The original doesn't do much in terms of helping you figure out how to make long-lasting campaigns. So, once I nail the initial World design, writing a larger chapter on just HOW to create stories to tell in this world will be important.

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Re: Street Fighter: The Storytelling Game "retro clone" [World Warrior]
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2020, 03:58:57 am »
This post is for the Attributes. I renamed some of them, though it still follows the basic system of the original game. Ratings slightly changed, but doesn’t affect the overall system.

Attribute & Skill Ratings

1-2 (Average): Ordinary people have these ratings in their attributes. This also represents those starting out in skills.

3 (Competent): Most people have some skills that fall into this category. Indicates further training of attributes or skills.

4 (Outstanding): Above average. A born athlete, a top scientist, veteran soldier.

5 (Exceptional): Characters with these traits have the highest possible attributes for ordinary people, or are considered the best they can possibly be.

6-8 (Legendary): While not ordinarily obtainable by normal human beings, the characters of World Warrior can attain these ranks through determination and training. This is the realm of the ultimate warriors, and typically your deeds will be spread throughout the region, if not the world (whether you want them to or not). By this time, warriors will seek you out to be students.


Physical Attributes

Strength: Physical strength. Adds to damage rolls.

Dexterity: Speed, reflexes, and manual dexterity.  Usually added for attack rolls.

Endurance: Health and stamina. Rolled against damage to reduce hits taken.

Social Attributes

Charisma: Personality and charm.

Intrigue: Use to bluff, influence, or otherwise deceive others.

Presence: Appearance and appeal.

Mental Attributes

Intelligence: Memory and ability to learn.

Perception: Ability to perceive your surroundings. The 5 senses.

Wisdom: sharpness of mind. Your ability to not be deceived.


Notes:
     
    • So the obvious issue, is that the physical attributes are more important in this game than probably other WW products. That goes without saying, considering this is a martial arts fighting game.
    • While it could lead to some players dumping all their points into physical stats (even with the 7/5/3 allocation that Street Fighter uses) I think having extra examples of well-rounded characters, and plenty of usages for the other attributes (as a roleplaying game should have) could cut down on power gaming. Though, I don’t find it to be the worst thing ever.  Again, its a fighting game.
    • Perhaps having certain techniques use other attributes would help. Or connect into learning techniques. Just as an ‘off-the-top-of-my-head’ idea, having Intelligence rolls used to learn new techniques (maybe determining how long it takes to learn the technique) would help to making at least that attribute more useful.


Next, I will be working on the basic skills. There will be 18 basic skills in the game (same number as SF), with blank spaces to add. I will be going over those skills, and coming up with ideas on how to expand their usefulness. Again, this is all just me laying out ideas and brainstorming how to bring the system together, and looking at any issues players have had with the game over the last 25 years.

The largest section will be the combat system, which will be a future post.

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2020, 06:02:45 am »
So, here is my initial list of 18 skills (by now, I think it is obvious that I am writing shorthand for descriptions, rather than what the actual prose will be). I took out some of the skills from the original game that I felt weren't as useful, renamed a few others, and added some new or alternate skills in. The only one I am not sure of yet is the "martial arts" skill, which is for knowledge of the 'culture' of martial arts, not of fighting. Probably needs renamed, but can't think of a better option yet.

Awareness: how much attention to pay to your surroundings.

Computer: programming and hacking.

Disguise: changing your appearance to become someone you aren’t.

Drive: useful for chase scenes.

Intimidation: also works as interrogation.

Insight: evaluate strengths and weaknesses, know there is more going on.

Inspire: lead others, offer encouragement.

Investigation: find clues, conduct research, and fit the pieces together.

Language: each rank grants an additional language known.

Martial Arts: knowing other styles, customs, tournament procedures, etc

Medicine: first aid and medical practices.

Mysteries: knowing the secret knowledge of the world, such as existence of rare techniques.

Repair: Familiar with machines and electronics.

Security: lock-picking, breaking and entering.

Stealth: sneaking and hiding.

Streetwise: blend in with the locals, know slang, gain information.

Subterfuge: deception and hiding your own motivations.

Survival: ability to find food, water, and shelter in the wilderness.


I will probably cover some of the extra stuff for characters, such as Chi and Willpower, Honor and Glory, and ideas I want to bring into the game, before moving on to any concepts for a combat system. Getting all these initial notes down has been important for me to work out all the ideas. Eventually I will come back to a lot of these concepts and revise them to be further fleshed out.

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2020, 02:20:36 pm »
And here are the basic outline notes for Willpower, Chi, and Health. Some notes regarding their implementation.

Willpower: Represents your mental fortitude, will, and resolve. Is used to in one of 3 ways:

    1) Can spend 1 Willpower to guarantee a success in a roll. 1’s cannot cancel this success.
    2) Certain Special Maneuvers require spending Willpower Points
    3) Can spend 1 Willpower to execute an Abort maneuver (Jump or Block) [old rules]

Willpower was originally determined by Style. Perhaps the starting value could be based around an attribute [which would help boost usefulness of other attributes.]

Maximum Willpower is 10.

Chi: Used to power some Special Maneuvers. Originally determined by choice of style. Perhaps the starting value could be based around an attribute [which would help boost usefulness of other attributes.]

Maximum Chi is 10.


Health: Characters start with 10 Health, and it can be increased to 20 Health through Experience Points. [Perhaps there could be more variance to the Health, instead of automatically getting 10 Health to start? Maybe this was done to make it fair among players for PvP reasons.]

Maximum Health is 20.


Ideas I am Working On:

Elemental Chi/Dark Chi/Chi Cultivation: Some elements from the Legends of the Wulin game I have been thinking about adding. Essentially, its optional material.

The idea is that players could start working on gaining special types of Chi [Fire, Water, Earth, Wood, Metal] that are used to power special rare styles and techniques. I’m not 100% sold on the idea, but it does add an interesting layer to gameplay and can give players something to seek out. “Oh, you want to shoot fireballs from your hands? Well, you need to learn to cultivate fire chi, which there is this old master in the mountains that knows a rare style of martial arts that deals with fire.” Etc.

Dark Chi was the one idea I plan to develop. It is inspired by Ryu’s Dark Hado. Basically, powerful chi that corrupts you at the same time. Some of the villains would have it.

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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2020, 02:23:19 pm »
Combat & Special Maneuvers

Combat will be the trickiest part to nail (or rather, how the special maneuvers are played during combat.)


Street Fighter: The Storytelling Game Combat

The original system uses elements that would make a D&D 4E player feel right at home. Battles are fought on a grid, and the special maneuver cards have effects and can change character positions on the board.

Each technique has a Speed, Movement, and Damage modifier.

Each round, everyone picks a card and then the sequence is played out from the slowest action to the fastest, with faster players able to interrupt actions of their opponents.

There are 6 Technique traits that each Special Maneuver is connected to: Punch, Kick, Block, Grab, Athletics, and Focus. You cannot improve a Special Maneuver, only its Technique trait.


Burn Legend Combat

Burn Legend attempted to fix the original combat system and redesign it to have less focus on a grid and miniatures play, and more Theater of the Mind’s Eye. I won’t cover all the additional changes and extra elements added, as it doesn’t affect anything I am currently doing.

Special Maneuvers are their own Traits, and can be improved through Experience Points. Also, achieving certain ranks can also unlock improved versions of Maneuvers.

Each Special Maneuver is assigned a type: Strike, Aerial, Rush, Grapple, Defense, and Projectile (much like the Technique traits of SF).

Combat works with everyone selecting their cards and then everything is played at once. The big difference this time, is that success is determined by what type of Special Maneuver you picked. Many are automatic successes. Defense beats Strike, Strike beats Aerial, etc. Its an elaborate game of Rock, Paper, Scissors.

If two players picked techniques that don’t beat each other (or are the same type), then each rolls a “Clash Roll” (as determined by the card) with the winner inflicting damage on their opponent. There are also occasions where there will be no winner (block vs block) or where both opponents inflicting damage.

Distance is measured as Near or Far, with some additional rules added.


Notes for World Warrior

What I would like to do is adapt the Burn Legend combat system, but also allow GM’s to decide where they are doing TOME or doing a battle grid.  I like the idea of the rock, paper, scissors approach since it can lead to less dice rolls during a player’s turn. Because it is a martial arts game, I want to keep the pace up. I don’t want to bog down a player’s turn is a bunch of individual dice rolls, and much rather like what Burn Legend has done to improve speed of play.

Going through and structuring the combat system is going to take some time. There are so many choices that need to be made that affect the entire system that I will have to take my time. It may even be that after doing my analysis of the combat rules, I could always end up keeping the original system. But the amount of cards in hand, and the idea of being tied down to a battle grid starts putting me off. The system is complex and could become confusing if attempting to play without one.

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2020, 02:52:43 pm »
I would also like to add that if anyone has any insight for this project, I'd gladly welcome it. Being a rewrite of a 25 year old game system, there are many ways to look at the system. Some of what I have posted is just potential changes, but I am open to hearing what people's thoughts are.

I forget if I mentioned it before, but I am looking at the Opening the Dark (Storytelling System clone) as a potential skeleton to work off of for this game, but have been cautious because it hasn't really been available for years. The legality of things sometimes frightens me.

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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2020, 06:06:37 am »
Some notes on the combat system, using elements from Burn Legend:

Resolving Conflicts

There are six types of techniques:

Punch: attacks used with the hands. Also covers elbows.
Kick: attacks with the feet. Also covers knees.
Acrobatic: aerial moves, flips, cartwheels, and other moves.
Grapple: grabs, throws, and submissions.
Defense: blocks, deflections, etc.
Focus: projectiles and other special moves.

Each round, when players select their special maneuvers, there are one of three results that can occur: hit, clash, or hit trade.

Hit: Each maneuver has a type of technique that they automatically beat. When this happens, the player merely rolls damage against the opponent (minus the opponent’s Stamina)

Technique      Succeeds vs.
Punch              Acrobatic   
Kick                Punch   
Acrobatic         Focus
Grapple           Defense      
Defense          Punch   
Focus             <varies>

Clash: If neither maneuver clearly beats the other, then both players make a Clash roll (indicated on their maneuver). Whomever accumulates more successes defeats the opponent, and then rolls for damage.

Hit Trade: There will be occasions when both players succeed with their maneuvers (when both techniques automatically defeat the other, or when both players have equal successes on their clash rolls). When this occurs, both maneuvers hit their opponents at the same time, and both rolls damage on their opponents.